Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[FK009]

In other news, Morgana has stepped down in their role of being a brand manger for Spindlehorse, and is now one for GLITCH.

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Does this mean that they’ll finally stop trying to force meme Sallie May? Because if there’s one character that does not deserve merch, it’s him.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

'm reminded of another Twilight Zone episode where a small-time criminal gets killed in shootout.

A Nice Place To Visit

That's my favorite episode.

 

[The tired cat]

SO, now Mick Ignis is working with the other troon. Definitely a sign that TADC will be going to the shitter soon. Man, I'm glad I didn't invest my time or even my fucking attention to that crap, seeing how the "based tranny Gooseworx" in the end just said "fuck your theories lmao".

Yeah, because fuck fan theories indeed. They're always horseshit and should be mocked instead of creators bending backwards to make garbage made by fans seem legit. Also, not really a sign, but you're being retarded over "Whaaa! They mock muh fan theowiess!"

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Yeah, because fuck fan theories indeed. They're always horseshit and should be mocked instead of creators bending backwards to make garbage made by fans seem legit. Also, not really a sign, but you're being retarded over "Whaaa! They mock muh fan theowiess!"

I dunno, the way TADC did it kinda feels like "throwing stones from a glass house" or Rian Johnson-esque "subverting expectations" to me. The fan theories, from my understanding were pretty much half of the appeal of that show, so for Gooseworx and co. to turn around and mock the very fans keeping the show alive....

 

[The tired cat]

I dunno, the way TADC did it kinda feels like "throwing stones from a glass house" or Rian Johnson-esque "subverting expectations" to me. The fan theories, from my understanding were pretty much half of the appeal of that show, so for Gooseworx and co. to turn around and mock the very fans keeping the show alive....

From what I got the appeal was about the mystery, plus character interaction and where the show was gonna go. Fan theories were this small part and I def doubt what kept the show alive. It has nothing to do with "throwing stones" or Rian Johnson stuff (heck, such a technique was used way before Rian even stepped onto the scene), but I'm glad someone had the balls to say "Fuck you and your fan theories", because like I said before. So many shows or properties got themselves fucked because they try to appeal to fans and their retarded theories. Fuck, Boss is a great example of that. I'll bet yaz there was some retarded fan theories of Stolas and Blitz knowing each other as kids, an Viv decided to shove that shit in, just to appeal to her fanbase.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

From what I got the appeal was about the mystery, plus character interaction and where the show was gonna go.

.....that's literally what fan theories are, you dumb fuck. Taking the character interaction, context clues, and mystery to try to figure out where the show is gonna go. I agree with the sentiment of fan theories being bullshit....but the fact that it's THE AMAZING DIGITAL CIRCUS - a show whose MAIN DRIVING FORCE IS THE MYSTERY - saying it, makes it hypocritical as fuck.

 

[The tired cat]

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.....that's literally what fan theories are, you dumb fuck. Taking the character interaction, context clues, and mystery to try to figure out where the show is gonna go. I agree with the sentiment of fan theories being bullshit....but the fact that it's THE AMAZING DIGITAL CIRCUS - a show whose MAIN DRIVING FORCE IS THE MYSTERY - saying it, makes it hypocritical as fuck.

The thing is, what they did was call out the two biggest fan theories: A. Someone being named Abel and B. The whole evil corporation theory.

So, either they pull option A. Bend backwards to the fans thus playing into their entitlement and catering to them or B. openly say "Nope these theories are wrong". I think I rather have option B, because surprise surprise that answer lead fans to wondering what the deal is and form new theories to try and see if they can guess this right.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

The thing is, what they did was call out the two biggest fan theories: A. Someone being named Abel and B. The whole evil corporation theory.

So, either they pull option A. Bend backwards to the fans thus playing into their entitlement and catering to them or B. openly say "Nope these theories are wrong". I think I rather have option B, because surprise surprise that answer lead fans to wondering what the deal is and form new theories to try and see if they can guess this right.

Third option: just continue to make the show and go in the direction you wanted to go despite the fan theories, ignore them but don't directly insult them.

There's a distinct difference as a creator between simply doing your own thing and driving the story in the direction you desire regardless of the fan theories, which is the proper thing to do and shows a certain level of respect towards your audience (the people who like what you do and are the reason you can make a living as an artist) and doing it the way TADC did it where you specifically call out and bring attention to prominent fan theories and then spit in the fan's eyes and call them dumb and stinky for having that theory, which is insulting and disrespectful to the people who support you and allow you to make a living as an artist.

This shouldn't be a terribly surprising outcome since TADC is garbage made by a tranny as a form of therapy instead of an actual artistic or creative venture, but to pretend that the way the creative team handled their audience's passion and interest in the work wasn't blatantly disrespectful and damaging to their public good will is asinine you stupid Slavic retard.

 

[The tired cat]

Third option: just continue to make the show and go in the direction you wanted to go despite the fan theories, ignore them but don't directly insult them.

Oh boo-hoo, they mocked the fan theories! How dare they!

There's a distinct difference as a creator between simply doing your own thing and driving the story in the direction you desire regardless of the fan theories, which is the proper thing to do and shows a certain level of respect towards your audience (the people who like what you do and are the reason you can make a living as an artist) and doing it the way TADC did it where you specifically call out and bring attention to prominent fan theories and then spit in the fan's eyes and call them dumb and stinky for having that theory, which is insulting and disrespectful to the people who support you and allow you to make a living as an artist.

Nah, it's not being insulting and disrespecteful, despite what your retarded ass thinks. It actually takes more balls to tell your fans they're wrong, instead of letting them have their dumb theories. Who will later act like entitled brats and demand these theories happen or become whinny faggots when they don't.

This shouldn't be a terribly surprising outcome since TADC is garbage made by a tranny as a form of therapy instead of an actual artistic or creative venture, but to pretend that the way the creative team handled their audience's passion and interest in the work wasn't blatantly disrespectful and damaging to their public good will is asinine you stupid Slavic retard.

Yea, yea. Same old retarded "How dare you mock the fan theories!! Damn you tranny! How dare you not suck your fans and bow before them! Your show is trash and bla bla", bitch shut the fuck up. It hasn't damaged shit, you're just a pissy faggot that TADC has more balls than Viv here, who's bends over backwards to appeal to her fans and thus fucking her shows.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Nah, it's not being insulting and disrespecteful, despite what your retarded ass thinks. It actually takes more balls to tell your fans they're wrong, instead of letting them have their dumb theories. Who will later act like entitled brats and demand these theories happen or become whinny faggots when they don't.

Who hurt you?

 

[The tired cat]

Who hurt you?

Just admit that you're a pissy faggot that TACD ain't bowing to the retards on the internet and still doing well or if it'll be easy just cry about trannys

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Just admit that you're a pissy faggot due to the fact that TACD TADC ain't isn't bowing to the retards on the internet and still doing well, or if it'll it would be easy simpler, just cry about trannys trannies.

You sound like a bitter ex-girlfriend and you've officially crossed over into "too upset to type" territory.

edit: a word

 

[Dynamite Bean]

Defending creators who willingly shit on their fans(the very people who support them and often, why their big in the first place) is an extremely retarded but bold move, we'll see how it plays out in 5 or so years later if TADC is remotely remembered for anything noteworthy outside of content farms and people who want to fuck pomni

because surely this time, shitting on the fans will totally work and not end badly like it has for every other writer who did it the past decade

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Defending creators who willingly shit on their fans(the very people who support them and often, why their big in the first place) is an extremely retarded but bold move, we'll see how it plays out in 5 or so years later if TADC is remotely remembered for anything noteworthy outside of content farms and people who want to fuck pomni

because surely this time, shitting on the fans will totally work and not end badly like it has for every other writer who did it the past decade

Hazbin has already been around for almost a decade and maintains a loyal fanbase. If it does continue onto season 5 it'll most likely be around for another decade.

It isn't a good show, but it clearly has staying power. We'll see if TADC can compete.

 

[The tired cat]

Defending creators who willingly shit on their fans(the very people who support them and often, why their big in the first place) is an extremely retarded but bold move, we'll see how it plays out in 5 or so years later if TADC is remotely remembered for anything noteworthy outside of content farms and people who want to fuck pomni

because surely this time, shitting on the fans will totally work and not end badly like it has for every other writer who did it the past decade

Ah yes, how dare say how the two biggest fan theories are wrong! The nerve of them! Won't somebody please think and cry for all the poor neckbeards!

In 5 years or so, nobody's gonna even remember shit like Hazbin or Boss, so that's a shitty comparison already. But hey, keep seething I guess, because that's all sad fags can do when something like this happens.

It isn't a good show, but it clearly has staying power.

Do you want a medal for delusion now?

Hazbin has already been around for a decade and maintains a loyal fanbase.

Even though half of the fans fucked off after the show took too long to find a streaming service, then another chunk fucked off after they saw what S1 became. Then course more people left 'cause Viv is a huge cunt. Which leaves newbies who just joined and have shit taste OR people on this forum and 4chan.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

She won't even show that Hell being where the fun never ends is not exciting as it sounds. I'm reminded of another Twilight Zone episode where a small-time criminal gets killed in shootout. He then gets lead by a man in suit to a luxurious apartment and assumes he's in Heaven when he gets everything he wants. Time passes as he has grown bored with always winning, tired of the beauty women, and having no thrill in challenges if it's all setup for his instant satisfaction. He asks the man to send him to "the other place" before being told where he's at "is the other place."

Honestly, this is a very interesting take on how one could imagine purgatory - having things you want and said things are "easy" in reach, yet they lack "meaning", challenge or even connection to a kin. Easier to assume it is paradise, since it is things we "like" and or "deserve" without suffering. Yet, with ennui setting in, one would realise the truth.

Hazbin has already been around for almost a decade and maintains a loyal fanbase. If it does continue onto season 5 it'll most likely be around for another decade.

It isn't a good show, but it clearly has staying power. We'll see if TADC can compete.

I can see Trashbin & Bullshit staying around, especially the former. I don't know, as much as Viviane is retarded, there is some "charisma" in the series - not so much because of the "INDEPENDENT SERIES" factor, but rather because you could say it's something that has so many fan works that you could say it almost gives the series a life of its own. I call this a "SpongeBob Fanon effect" for the lack of a better term.
Let me explain: While Spongebob Squarepants wasn't necessarily kept alive because of its fans, the series is long-running and is a "household name" for young adults and teenagers; even if it is because of Nickelodeon & Viacom. I feel the fans make this effect and are able to extend the lifespan, with their own "animations" and theories in general. Not so much the retarded pairings and such.

 

[Dynamite Bean]

Hazbin has already been around for almost a decade and maintains a loyal fanbase. If it does continue onto season 5 it'll most likely be around for another decade.

It isn't a good show, but it clearly has staying power. We'll see if TADC can compete.

To be fair Hazbin is basically this decade's SU, all of those people and types who like that sort of thing are all there so it's understandable and I can see it sticking around for a long time just like SU did in the mid 2010s

TADC on the other hand, is just a poor man's kiddy version of I have No Mouth and I Must Scream, interesting idea and premise but I expect the finale and last 2 episodes to be a rushed mess since they basically said "lol there is no escape or exit door dummy" (that thing that's been the main idea since the first episode and agreed to be the idea by universally everyone as well)
and seeing as how most of the episodes have been spent on talk about your feelings therapy sessions with no real plot threads or even character progress besides jax, I'm not holding out hope for a satisfying conclusion

Ah yes, how dare say how the two biggest fan theories are wrong! The nerve of them! Won't somebody please think and cry for all the poor neckbeards!

Writers are free to shit on fans and their theories all they want, they void the right to complain however, if the fans aren't pleased with whatever the writer uses instead or they lose the audience because of it

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Even though half of the fans fucked off after the show took too long to find a streaming service, then another chunk fucked off after they saw what S1 became. Then course more people left 'cause Viv is a huge cunt. Which leaves newbies who just joined and have shit taste OR people on this forum and 4chan.

So then why are you here? Besides crying and screaming and shitting your pants, that is.

I can see Trashbin & Bullshit staying around, especially the former. I don't know, as much as Viviane is retarded, there is some "charisma" in the series - not so much because of the "INDEPENDENT SERIES" factor, but rather because you could say it's something that has so many fan works that you could say it almost gives the series a life of its own. I call this a "SpongeBob Fanon effect" for the lack of a better term.

There's a lot of parallels to be drawn between Hazbin and RWBY of all things. The show clearly possesses some level of appeal and in limited bursts can produce a truly competent and engaging product, and it's those very small flashes of quality that drive people to critique it and talk about it. It has potential and that drives people to discuss it in a context of rewrites and ideas. Hazbin and Helluva are NOT good shows, but they are interesting shows because they're too occasionally good to be irredeemably bad, and the ways in which they are bad are layered and interesting to dissect.

TADC on the other hand, is just a poor man's kiddy version of I have No Mouth and I Must Scream, interesting idea and premise but I expect the finale and last 2 episodes to be a rushed mess since they basically said "lol there is no escape or exit door dummy" (that thing that's been the main idea since the first episode and agreed to be the idea by universally everyone as well)

TADC began and ended as a premise. It's clear that the creator didn't have a plot or characters and can't fully articulate one within the premise he's created. It's a common problem with inexperienced writers and high concept stories and it's probably the best argument for why sci-fi is best when limited to short stories and novellas.

 

[The tired cat]

TADC on the other hand, is just a poor man's kiddy version of I have No Mouth and I Must Scream, interesting idea and premise but I expect the finale and last 2 episodes to be a rushed mess since they basically said "lol there is no escape or exit door dummy" (that thing that's been the main idea since the first episode and agreed to be the idea by universally everyone as well)

The last 2 episodes and finale will depend on the runtime, so I'll agree that's a legit question if the pay off will be satisfactory or not. However, I do wanna point out a thing that seems the escape thing may not actually be fake.

So then why are you here? Besides crying and screaming and shitting your pants, that is.

To see how retarded both Boss and Hazbin will get and how hard will they crash'n'burn.

TADC began and ended as a premise. It's clear that the creator didn't have a plot or characters and can't fully articulate one within the premise he's created. It's a common problem with inexperienced writers and high concept stories and it's probably the best argument for why sci-fi is best when limited to short stories and novellas.

Same can be said about Hazbin, only it didn't even end on a premise because it never started on it.

Writers are free to shit on fans and their theories all they want, they void the right to complain however, if the fans aren't pleased with whatever the writer uses instead or they lose the audience because of it

Well ye, because fans are always entitlted shitbags who want things to go a specific way and will bitch if they don't get how they wanted it.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Same can be said about Hazbin, only it didn't even end on a premise because it never started on it.

The premise was "Hotel in Hell to reform sinners". The fact that premise has changed doesn't change that fact. Are you really this stupid and inattentive that you missed all the complaints from this thread about that premise being abandoned in favor of the "war between Heaven and Hell" premise?

Well ye, because fans are always entitlted shitbags who want things to go a specific way and will bitch if they don't get how they wanted it.

Once again; bitter ex-girlfriend. Which creative team were you on buddy? What part of your autistic passion project did the audience misunderstand and then say mean things about you over?