FORUM RULE: Stop getting mad about Jace's trolls. Stop abusing the word "ween".

[Conrix]

Jace, the Herb Smoker
+2 Look at the top card of target player's library. You may call it a "Little Faggot" and throw it in target player's face.
0 Draw three cards, put two on top of your library in any order, and immediately forget what order they were in while taking a bong rip.
-1 Return target card to their Mom's house
-12 Send your delusional friend to a warzone to assassinate a foreign leader with zero supplies, weapons, or contacts.

Immediately upon reading, I downloaded MSE to reboot my lolcows MtG set. Is it ok if I use this effect for my Jace card (but I'm gonna turn him green because herb)?

 

[Flowers For Sonichu]

Immediately upon reading, I downloaded MSE to reboot my lolcows MtG set. Is it ok if I use this effect for my Jace card (but I'm gonna turn him green because herb)?

I had some ideas for lolcow themed magic cards, myself. But I don't have any artistic talent so go ahead.

Sunglasses of Fail
Legendary Artifact (5)
(4) Tap to counter target spell that requires you to reveal your hand.

 

[Conrix]

I had some ideas for lolcow themed magic cards, myself. But I don't have any artistic talent so go ahead.

Sunglasses of Fail
Legendary Artifact (5)
(4) Tap to counter target spell that requires you to reveal your hand.

I don't usually draw any new pictures when I do my MSE cards because I mainly make parody cards and I'm shit at drawing.
But to stop derailing, I'll make the point that anyone who honestly thinks Jace's lowering content quality or whatever is the result of trolls or weens, is really taking their lolcows too seriously. Jace is kind of a troll himself anyway and he just bans trolls and weens from his stuff so I don't actually see the connection here.

 

[DeagleDad420]

You are literally getting mad over people getting mad over Jace.

"U mad? U mad? U mad?" **camera pans out to reveal phone headset is disconnected, TheMorawOne is wearing tattered clothes, wandering through Big Lots parking lot** "U mad? U mad? He mad! He mad. U mad? He ma"

Being a professional ween, I call Jace over 5 times a day and shout JUUULAAAAYYYY over the sound of a nasheed, crying in desperation for the approval of the kiwis. Your wall of text is invalid.

All jokes aside if you have legit problems with this rule or think it's bad for the forum I want to hear why, but at the moment I don't see anything fundamentally unwise with telling people to reign in their bitching a bit - it's not asking a lot, either.

 

[ChuckSlaughter]

Certainly complaining doesn't change much but trolls can lose sight of jace's humanity and become ruthless. Maybe a reminder sometimes might save jace some mistreatment sometimes. He is sick and its easy to forget this and get carried away.

Also you've said so yourself, we only see the tip of the iceburg here. Are you really so aware of all jace's interactions with trolls?
I don't care what he does he is almost always hilarious. He might not always do what we want but what we get is usually so much better. So yes let's not complain when we don't get what we want but still be gentle with the man please.

 

[Pikonic]

I think when a lot of people talk about the "show", "writers", and "Eli's breakout character this season." I'm pretty sure they're joking.
Also,

New smiley? Please?
Ok, I'll leave.

 

[DeagleDad420]

Certainly complaining doesn't change much but trolls can lose sight of jace's humanity and become ruthless. Maybe a reminder sometimes might save jace some mistreatment sometimes. He is sick and its easy to forget this and get carried away.

That's true, but I do genuinely think that Jace chooses to live in this way - at least to some extent. It's comfortable for him. He prefers his delusions to reality and even augments them with drugs on a regular basis. There have been so many attempts to reach out to him and so many opportunities for him to come back to reality, from Rob, from his sane friends (Kyle, Colby, etc) hell even from some white knights who attempted to reach out to him. TAKE MY HAND. TAKE MY HAND TYCE - none of them worked, because he didn't want help. He wanted to keep being Jack Stryker. We can't do anything about that.

So given that I'm not quite comfortable with the logic that 0% of this is his fault and he's an unwilling victim. I know a lot of schizophrenics enjoy acting crazy on some level, but basically what I'm saying is that nobody can help him if he doesn't want to help himself, and he clearly doesn't - or else he wouldn't be chronically abusing drugs and living in an insane fantasy world for 2 years straight even when given multiple opportunities to escape it and start a normal life. Living with Eli was the perfect opportunity for him to start over with a blank slate. He didn't do that.

His insanity has ebbed and flowed a lot but he always returns to STRYKER MODE because it's fun for him. Sure, there are times when it fucks him over (on a pretty regular basis, yeah?) but have you seen how much fun he has when he's playing Saint's Row and making up his own plotlines or high off his mind rambling about Ferguson: The Game, or how Tupac was in the future? I mean shit, I know that I will never be able to experience the level of joy he gets out of really mundane things. We can only watch it. He's built his entire life around it and he's clearly having a fucking great time with some of his delusions. Him trying to "unplug Obama" by cutting all the cords in his house is an occupational hazard when you embrace insanity so fully.

Also you've said so yourself, we only see the tip of the iceburg here. Are you really so aware of all jace's interactions with trolls?

As aware as I can be, but I'm not omnipotent. I do what I can to protect him from going Dylan and Klebold at a mosque but at this point I feel less like a troll and more like a lifeguard trying to keep a 400 pound man from drowning in a kiddie pool. Not complaining, I want to keep the ride going after all, I just don't think there's as much cause for concern as people think.

Remember when Jace got bored of the delusion Gamerfood was feeding him (because they kept re-using plotlines, mostly) and literally just cut off all contact with them for several months, stopping them completely? Remember all the times he's effortlessly shot down weens on stream when they try to lead his insanity in a stupid direction? Remember how he completely cockblocked /k/ and Sacred-Fox and convinced some fat retard to drive to Arkansas to fight him? It's clear he's capable of breaking himself free of delusions, either self-imposed or those fed to him. He just doesn't want to. Schizophrenia and weed is like a video game for him. For us, it's the greatest reality show of all time.

 

[The Knife]

That's true, but I do genuinely think that Jace chooses to live in this way - at least to some extent. It's comfortable for him. He prefers his delusions to reality and even augments them with drugs on a regular basis. There have been so many attempts to reach out to him and so many opportunities for him to come back to reality, from Rob, from his sane friends (Kyle, Colby, etc) hell even from some white knights who attempted to reach out to him. TAKE MY HAND. TAKE MY HAND TYCE - none of them worked, because he didn't want help. He wanted to keep being Jack Stryker. We can't do anything about that.

So given that I'm not quite comfortable with the logic that 0% of this is his fault and he's an unwilling victim. I know a lot of schizophrenics enjoy acting crazy on some level, but basically what I'm saying is that nobody can help him if he doesn't want to help himself, and he clearly doesn't - or else he wouldn't be chronically abusing drugs and living in an insane fantasy world for 2 years straight even when given multiple opportunities to escape it and start a normal life. Living with Eli was the perfect opportunity for him to start over with a blank slate. He didn't do that.

His insanity has ebbed and flowed a lot but he always returns to STRYKER MODE because it's fun for him. Sure, there are times when it fucks him over (on a pretty regular basis, yeah?) but have you seen how much fun he has when he's playing Saint's Row and making up his own plotlines or high off his mind rambling about Ferguson: The Game, or how Tupac was in the future? I mean shit, I know that I will never be able to experience the level of joy he gets out of really mundane things. We can only watch it. He's built his entire life around it and he's clearly having a fucking great time with some of his delusions. Him trying to "unplug Obama" by cutting all the cords in his house is an occupational hazard when you embrace insanity so fully.


As aware as I can be, but I'm not omnipotent. I do what I can to protect him from going Dylan and Klebold at a mosque but at this point I feel less like a troll and more like a lifeguard trying to keep a 400 pound man from drowning in a kiddie pool. Not complaining, I want to keep the ride going after all, I just don't think there's as much cause for concern as people think.

Remember when Jace got bored of the delusion Gamerfood was feeding him (because they kept re-using plotlines, mostly) and literally just cut off all contact with them for several months, stopping them completely? Remember all the times he's effortlessly shot down weens on stream when they try to lead his insanity in a stupid direction? Remember how he completely cockblocked /k/ and Sacred-Fox and convinced some fat exceptional individual to drive to Arkansas to fight him? It's clear he's capable of breaking himself free of delusions, either self-imposed or those fed to him. He just doesn't want to. Schizophrenia and weed is like a video game for him. For us, it's the greatest reality show of all time.

Just to build off what you've said a little: schizophrenia, for the most part, isn't fun. Jace has his upswings of delusional euphoria and I don't begrudge him any joy he gets out of them. Like you said, playing Stryker is fun for him; believing he has a loyal nation of followers who watch his livestreams because they like and respect him, not because he's fucking hilarious for all the wrong reasons, makes Jace happy.

We've also seen Jace when he's in the worst of his illness and he's ranting and delusional and he can't make the former fun pretend game stop. That's the moment when the ride got a little disturbing and I wanted off, and several people have expressed the same feeling. But Jace can't get off the ride. Ever. Unless he finds the right chemical cocktail and sticks to it, his brain is always going to pump pure crazy-juice. The best he can hope for is to stay on the happy Stryker side of things for as long as he can hold onto it. It's as delusional as anything else he believes, but it's better than the scary shit.

I guess the upshot is that I agree with DD on this point. We're watching Jace have the time of his life. Bless DD and his support crew for minimizing damage when they can.

 

[ADamnDjinn]

I still hate these failed E-GF "sagas", they just feel overused. They worked on Chris, but Jace isn't really the type. You can't give a blanket treatment to all lolcows. Just my opinion.

 

[Jules4Ever]

I still hate these failed E-GF "sagas", they just feel overused. They worked on Chris, but Jace isn't really the type. You can't give a blanket treatment to all lolcows. Just my opinion.

I don't know about the other people flirting with Jace online, but at the very least I feel like it's worth explaining my own motivations. How Jace interacts with girls is hilarious, and he is unlikely to interact for long with girls who are not "in on the joke," so to speak. I don't think that giving him a foil to posture at on Twitter is a bad thing. Now, Jace having a serious relationship with an internet troll sits ill with me. I, at least, am not going to go down that road. That level of deception feels like it goes too far.

I don't personally follow any lolcows other than Jace, and I don't particularly like how people describe Jace's exploits in terms of "sagas" or "seasons," or other storytelling devices. It tends to accompany people feeling entitled to some sort of entertainment from him, as if his purpose is to entertain us. It's not. We're not giving a "treatment" to a "lolcow," we're interacting with a fascinating(ly crazy) person. Don't forget that.

 

[Duke Nukem]

My opinion on this site regarding people who want Jace to deliver a certain style consistently?

Why would you want that? It's the unpredictability in his behavior and responses to various stimuli that make the whole ride worth it. Personally, I'm quite interested in the psychological aspect of the whole deal as well. There's also quite a few mysteries and stuff that's hard to prove regarding him (like the Lazy Eye accusation-I'm not convinced it's for real, or the rumors about repressed homosexuality, again probably speculation), which makes it all the more interesting to me. I hold a little hope someday we'll know the truth about that and other things, but I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the hilariously unpredictable show.

From the moment I heard about him, I have honestly never not enjoyed Jace or Deagle Nation in general, no matter what's happened. I somewhat dislike Tyce as a person though, but I still find him amusing as well. #analchest #skeetalines

Keep up the good work, DeagleDad, you're doing great keeping Jace out of serious trouble so he can keep making content.

As far as those referred to as "weens," it's best not to give a fuck about them either way. I'll enjoy the show regardless.