For profit prisons

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AnOminous powiedział(a):
>just and moral people in office
>murrica

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>just and moral people in office
>the entire world
:story:

All politicians are cunts tbh.

But yeah, for-profit prisons suck. There's a really interesting documentary available on Netflix called "Kids for Cash" which details the "kids for cash" scandal in Pennsylvania; two judges were found guilty of accepting bribes in exchange for sending thousands of juveniles to detention centers when probation or a lesser penalty would have been appropriate.
 
autisticdragonkin powiedział(a):
I just don't see an incentive for a publicly owned prison to reduce crime
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It's not about incentive, a publicly owned an opperated prison isn't about that, however the privately owned prisons like to ensure they have money walking through the door every other day in the form of prisoner and they have to find ways of maximising that profit.

StarvingAutist powiedział(a):
I always cringe when I hear people say "the government should be run like a business".

Because then, shit like this happens.
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Your right, a government and business are two totally different things a business has to turn a profit to survive a government does not this needs to be acknowledged or codified in law, a state doesn't need to ensure that it's covering the minimum cost and making money at the same time housing a inmate like a for profit prison does, a system run by the state has perfect funding (ie, doesn't have to worry about profit because that's not even a goal).

This is going to veer off topic but - I think the whole system of governance we have in the west need's major reforms as it's strayed far beyond what was originally intended, that is why for profit prisons are even a thing we have allowed business to creep into governance and the two ideas are not compatible.

A Government has to think of the whole rather than it's self to survive, a business need's to think of it's self to survive.
 
StarvingAutist powiedział(a):
I always cringe when I hear people say "the government should be run like a business".

Because then, shit like this happens.
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How is this anything to do with government being run like a business? No business would be so stupid to allow such corruption as present in the for profit prison system to exist because unlike the government they would be held accountable by their shareholders
 
autisticdragonkin powiedział(a):
How is this anything to do with government being run like a business? No business would be so stupid to allow such corruption as present in the for profit prison system to exist because unlike the government they would be held accountable by their shareholders
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Businesses aren't held accountable by the Constitution.
 
StarvingAutist powiedział(a):
"just a sheet of paper"

I'd call you edgy, but I think you're just ignorant.
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People can use the constitution to try to get the government to do things often with quite limited success and usually for arbitrary things because the american constitution is so old that it barely has relevance today to practical issues and the issues that it does cover are often ignored by the government. By contrast a bunch of people who have an active interest in a company making a profit are far more likely to try to get the company to maximize profit
 
autisticdragonkin powiedział(a):
Shareholders can make the company do as they want it to.
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And this is what causes the problems with for profit prisons. The shareholders don't give two fucks about the prisoners, just how much money they're getting from their investment in the corporation running them. To make the most money, you spend as little of it as you can get away with. If there's no regulation or oversight, then you've got prisoners being given just enough to keep them alive, nothing to use towards rehabilitation and then when or if they get out, the former prisoners are set up to fail and end up back behind bars which suits the prison industry just fine.
 
sikotik powiedział(a):
And this is what causes the problems with for profit prisons. The shareholders don't give two fucks about the prisoners, just how much money they're getting from their investment in the corporation running them. To make the most money, you spend as little of it as you can get away with. If there's no regulation or oversight, then you've got prisoners being given just enough to keep them alive, nothing to use towards rehabilitation and then when or if they get out, the former prisoners are set up to fail and end up back behind bars which suits the prison industry just fine.
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I completely agree with that hence my opposition to conventional for profit prisons but if the government were to create a different payment system then it could get them to do completely different actually beneficial things such as for example if it pays for prisoners after they are out and not reoffending
 
autisticdragonkin powiedział(a):
I completely agree with that hence my opposition to conventional for profit prisons but if the government were to create a different payment system then it could get them to do completely different actually beneficial things such as for example if it pays for prisoners after they are out and not reoffending
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Multiple people, including myself, tried to tell you what could go horribly wrong with that, but you just handwaved our arguments away.
 
I have encountered plenty of people advocating contracting out prison services to other countries altogether, preferably third world shitholes where the prisoners will be treated worse than dogs.
 
I quite like the idea of private companies building the prison and maintaining the building and the state renting it for a guaranteed period and running the thing. A lot of schools n edinburgh were built on that model and while the private companies skimp on costs the state does that aswell. two such schools were found to be severely structurally flawed this year some 20 years on and the private company that owns the building will have to fix it.

seems like a win win- the state does not have to invest large sums of money in infrastructure and the landlord gets a stable guaranteed long term income.
 
autisticdragonkin powiedział(a):
People can use the constitution to try to get the government to do things often with quite limited success and usually for arbitrary things because the american constitution is so old that it barely has relevance today to practical issues and the issues that it does cover are often ignored by the government.
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Except, y'know, all the situations in which it's actually super relevant and constitutes a case-making influence.
 
Marvin powiedział(a):
Except, y'know, all the situations in which it's actually super relevant and constitutes a case-making influence.
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If the constitution went around telling the American government to not do things then the patriot act would never have been passed. It is only followed when there is political will to do so
 
In theory, private prisons would work best if the justice system was also private.

Since that's impractical, they're just another unholy union of government and industry. Once they get involved, you lose precisely all the benefit of being private.
 
Are these sorts of organisations paid for every prisoner they process? That seems to create a really perverse incentive.
 
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