Fiona's Brief Reddit AMA on 8/16 (Confirmed genuine.) - Not much new material but much fallout and speculation.

[NOT THE BEEEEES!]

Based on a source saying Fiona’s parents want her off the internet. If that’s true, my opinion is they’re doing the right thing. If they thought it was a good idea for her to go on Reddit, my opinion is they’re fucktarded mongs.

Well i doubt she asked them first

 

[Creepuscular]

Well i doubt she asked them first

At the time there was no way for me to know whether she went on Reddit in defiance of their parents or with their blessing. I had to assume one of the possibilities was it was with their blessing, and that would radically change my opinion of them. That was what shook me.

 

[StrawberryDouche]

You're veering toward @Angry Canadian levels of conspiracy and lack of use of Occam's Razor.

Officially the most overused phrase on this board. If I discover who used it first I will neg rate them from this day forward and until death us do part for being patient zero.

even if she wasn't literally in a psych hold, we know secondhand

"Second hand." If something is second hand then you don't know shit.

And you would know why people were going full guard dog on Fiona if you read the megathread instead of sperging in it like @Angry Canadian .

I started reading the megathread when it was only 10 pages and read every single one of them. The *only* comment I made in that thread was to tell people to start archiving pages after the site went down because archive.md can't connect to save anything when that occurs.

The magnifying glass in the upper right corner is the search function. Learn how to use it.

 

[NOT THE BEEEEES!]

I suspect that Classic Chris would have rejected her for being autistic.

Undoubtedly. He’s the choosiest beggar there is.

We should set her up with Null.

But does Null need any more internet children?

 

[Oscar Winner]

It's not implausible, but it's certainly convenient, isn't it? It's about the only thing that would make others say "thou shall not pass" then go full guard dog when anyone questioned her roll or intentions. Iit's good people are starting to view those things more critically and others are calming the fuck down enough to let it happen.

I'm saying no one should be putting forth something as fact that has nothing supporting it as such. Especially in this particular universe where everyone in it is a liar, a manipulator, or some degree of deranged.

There isn't a single person in this story who isn't out to cover their own ass by any means necessary, and Fiona is not the lone exception.

I agree, and not because of anything specific with just Fiona, but in general I've noticed a lot of things lately being thrown around as fact with absolutely zero receipts, even some contradictions. For a site that has always been impeccable with research and verification, this really bothers me. Speculation is fine, it encourages interesting and constructive discussion, and sparks ideas. It's getting out of control when it's taken as gospel. Guesses and assumptions are becoming fact, and one proven true thing doesn't automatically make another thing true.
It's not helping when someone makes a reddit account with their KF name and goes posting KF stuff over there as if they're somehow speaking on behalf of everyone here. When they're sharing anything and can't back it up, or aren't clear that it's speculation, we look as stupid as our haters already think we are. Just make a normal reddit account for that instead of trying to look like a KF ILJ expert and spreading speculation even further while dragging the farms into your need for fake internet points.

 

[NOT THE BEEEEES!]

I don't know if she had an extended stay at a mental institution or anything. It could be that she just went there very often over the last couple weeks under parents guidance,

Tbf, that’s usually how it works for people who aren’t deemed suicidal and are not there by court order (and those are usually held in state-run centers). They do a 72 hour hold to get the person stabilized on meds, then have them check in with a psychiatrist every 3-5 days to evaluate how there’re doing on them, and if anything needs to be adjusted.

 

[StrawberryDouche]

I agree, and not because of anything specific with just Fiona, but in general I've noticed a lot of things lately being thrown around as fact with absolutely zero receipts, even some contradictions. For a site that has always been impeccable with research and verification, this really bothers me. Speculation is fine, it encourages interesting and constructive discussion, and sparks ideas. It's getting out of control when it's taken as gospel. Guesses and assumptions are becoming fact, and one proven true thing doesn't automatically make another thing true

I've seen this happen on so many threads on the Farms. Speculation transmutes into fact and becomes lore. The difference is, people correct the record and others go "my bad, I was mistaken." There isn't this aggressive, hostile pushback to defend the speculation as indisputable fact like there is here. It's like the ILJ forum is the foundation upon which the egos of many are built and anything that threatens it causes an all out chimp revolt.

ALSO! Why is there no MATI rating in the forum that needs it the most?

 

[Creepuscular]

"Second hand." If something is second hand then you don't know shit.

Maybe my memory is off, but I recall Grant being the source on Fiona getting committed. I don’t take that as gospel, but until evidence comes out to the contrary, is there a reason it shouldn’t be part of my “working thesis”?

 

[Taylor Swift's Ghostwrite]

Maybe my memory is off, but I recall Grant being the source on Fiona getting committed. I don’t take that as gospel, but until evidence comes out to the contrary, is there a reason it shouldn’t be part of my “working thesis”?

Pre-facing this with I think Grant is a good kid and he's doing his best.

However, as I said in the megathread when he first showed up, Grant doesn't know anything beyond what Fiona tells him and he has a bias in protecting her because she's his long time friend. I don't think he has been lying, but I don't think he questions things she tells him and always will look at her in the best possible light because of their friendship.

This has some evidence. Even with the weird love declaration we read ourselves and Fiona's repeated insistence she loved Chris, Grant believed it was tongue-in-cheek.

EDIT: I will say I think this whole situation is more complicated than the Farms is really used to because of how much lying and attempts at obfuscation have gone on. I don't think not believing anything is helpful, but I also get the skeptics.

 

[Oscar Winner]

Maybe my memory is off, but I recall Grant being the source on Fiona getting committed. I don’t take that as gospel, but until evidence comes out to the contrary, is there a reason it shouldn’t be part of my “working thesis”?

Grant did say that, but Fiona also lied to him about how she really felt about Chris. I'm not saying she needs to be drawn and quartered, but I think there's a good reason to at least question what is said and why.

 

[StrawberryDouche]

Maybe my memory is off, but I recall Grant being the source on Fiona getting committed. I don’t take that as gospel, but until evidence comes out to the contrary, is there a reason it shouldn’t be part of my “working thesis”?

I think every player involved in this is varying degrees of batshit and should be viewed with a highly skeptical, critical lens. My issue with Grant -who certainly seemed nice enough- is that he's an actual furry. And if you've never visited the Animal Control board, a foray might enlighten you as to the nature of furries. Prepare yourself to be horrified.

And like others above just said, Grant only knows what Fiona tells him.

 

[Basalasas]

I abhor having to shill my own posts in a thread, but since it didn't get highlighted it's possible people missed it (41 pages already, huh.)
Here is my previous post in this thread concerning whether or not Fiona was 100% confirmed to have been committed.
My knowledge on this matter has not changed since I posted this, so unless someone else who was in contact with Grant more recently than myself has said or can definitively say one way or the other, it's still a big fat "maybe."
I too am MATI that the assumption she was definitely committed seems to have spread far and wide, beyond the Farms itself, and especially given that (as far as I know) I must be the person who started it, despite never stating it was anything more than a possible course of action her parents considered taking. If I knew this would happen, I would have either kept my mouth shut and let the Fiona sperging in the megathread continue unabated, or edited my original post the second others may have perceived it incorrectly.
Normally I don't think this sort of mix-up would occur ( ) if this was any other board, but the difficulty of keeping up with the massive volume of information to come out of this monsoon of shit in a relatively short time, and the prevalence of morons who barely skimmed the original thread feeling compelled to post about it elsewhere, make videos, or whatever else as if they are some ordained authority on the matter...probably has something to do with it.

 

[I am vomit]

If chris has conjugal visits you think fiona will be in line for that?

 

[Spooky Bones]

Fiona's hospitalization comes from two sources: Grant and a comment made by Bella in one of the discord logs. As far as "hard proof" goes that's about it but that's about as much hard proof as we have of many things. Yes as everyone should remember sources lie and people are out there talking with a lot of lying liars and there is a lot to sift through. However I don't personally believe there is much reason to suspect it is a lie.

A Moderation Note

I'm kinda torn about some moderation issues here and I'm gonna discuss with fellow staff but in the interest of transparency I'm just going to put it out there. KF generally leans towards less moderation. Given the shitstorm that this forum is I've been at times more aggressive. However the last thing I want to do though is appear to be using my mod powers to advance a particular narrative, even if I personally believe in it and post about it as merely a poster. However straight up schizoposting, like @Angry Canadian claiming that Fiona is Bella in disguise but wait never mind Bella is not even a real person, is one thing, while stuff like the discussion of how sure we are of Fiona's hospitalization or even her lolcow status is quite another. The former is disruptive but the latter is healthy.

However some people on both sides of the argument are acting like absolute mongs. On the one hand people post straight up QAnon tier conspiracy theories and trolling and on the other people dogpile people with legitimate questions and have even gotten overexcited and faildoxed a real person with nothing to do with this. As usual people need to lol calm down.

 

[Muppet Molester]

I've seen this happen on so many threads on the Farms. Speculation transmutes into fact and becomes lore. The difference is, people correct the record and others go "my bad, I was mistaken." There isn't this aggressive, hostile pushback to defend the speculation as indisputable fact like there is here. It's like the ILJ forum is the foundation upon which the egos of many are built and anything that threatens it causes an all out chimp revolt.

I've noticed it too, and without going into tinfoil territory I think there are just a bunch of people that all feel a certain similar way about the situation. Very passionate and possibly emotionally compromised about it all.

and a large amount of post merge dweebs.

 

[CowBoyCormack]

Even with less moderation, two things that you've brought up and explored in terms of soft power:

Know the sites global culture,

And chatting to see if something actually deserves note, if its just eating up space and should be even discussed, if we should go into it, whether a person is deserving of particular attention, if people should sage their shit, etc in a more collaborative way, they've both good.

You're doing a good job at actually moderating with harder power, or helping direct discussions with softer power. Considering that people outside of the site are also viewing threads here, its best that the shit posted here be legible and the schizo posting be kept to a minimum, regardless of how its enforced.

 

[Spooky Bones]

I made a Thunderdome thread for infighting and drama and moved about a page and a half of it there. Please continue respectful and meaningful discussion here and take (almost) any bullshit you like to the Thunderdome.

 

[StrawberryDouche]

A Moderation Note

I'm kinda torn about some moderation issues here and I'm gonna discuss with fellow staff but in the interest of transparency I'm just going to put it out there. KF generally leans towards less moderation. Given the shitstorm that this forum is I've been at times more aggressive. However the last thing I want to do though is appear to be using my mod powers to advance a particular narrative, even if I personally believe in it and post about it as merely a poster. However straight up schizoposting, like @Angry Canadian claiming that Fiona is Bella in disguise but wait never mind Bella is not even a real person, is one thing, while stuff like the discussion of how sure we are of Fiona's hospitalization or even her lolcow status is quite another. The former is disruptive but the latter is healthy.

However some people on both sides of the argument are acting like absolute mongs. On the one hand people post straight up QAnon tier conspiracy theories and trolling and on the other people dogpile people with legitimate questions and have even gotten overexcited and faildoxed a real person with nothing to do with this. As usual people need to lol calm down.

You're doing good, Spooky. I would imagine our gorls modding The Salon might feel like like they're on a bit of a pleasure cruise by comparison.

 

[Blue Miaplacidus]

Fiona was a red herring in a thread that was dedicated to "who the fuck is this Kelly Osborn/Bella trollsona and where does she fit in the Incest Saga" back when it was still a thread on Chris' board. Fiona and her family got doxed, people concluded nothing was there, everyone went back to digging at Bella.

If you want a Fiona thread that bad, why not make it yourself?

This. Fiona isn't a perfect little autistic flower, she has an actual attraction to chris chan. But besides wanting to fuck a slob and making rule 34 chris chan art there isn't much to be said about her. She's retarded. As spooky has been saying since like page 20 of the original thread, if you want to make a fiona thread nobody is stopping you. However there isn't much more that can be said about her.

Unless someone posts some actual proof of her being a more entertaining cow she just simply isn't interesting enough for me to care. It may be too much information but personally I hope her parents continue to monitor her internet activity so she doesn't end up like CWC. She was just another bella pawn in the end.

 

[Crusader King 1]

This. Fiona isn't a perfect little autistic flower, she has an actual attraction to chris chan. But besides wanting to fuck a slob and making rule 34 chris chan art there isn't much to be said about her. She's retarded. As spooky has been saying since like page 20 of the original thread, if you want to make a fiona thread nobody is stopping you. However there isn't much more that can be said about her.

Unless someone posts some actual proof of her being a more entertaining cow she just simply isn't interesting enough for me to care. It may be too much information but personally I hope her parents continue to monitor her internet activity so she doesn't end up like CWC. She was just another bella pawn in the end.

To have a thread made about someone doesn't automatically make them a lolcow. The question posed is that if we have people like Bella's stepmom, or jasmine, then surely a thread about Fiona would be under fair consideration in comparison.

I can understand the underlining morality questions I think people tend to ponder. I think people are more leaning towards "is it morally correct" to have Fiona as a lolcow/thread holder, because by comparison, there are many individuals who have a thread dedicated to themselves have a much more minor role than Fiona.

I personally think people aren't hesitant because there isn't enough information on Fiona (I think there is), I think its more of a façade for wondering if its the moral thing to do. Which I'm not making the Fiona thread so its not my moral question to answer.