Fallout series

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

Er, I wouldn't say that. Not only does he allow the use of Auto-Docs, but he only bans drugs for the Legion itself. The communities living in Legion territory are free to shoot themselves up with drugs and drink all the time, it's just that, similar to Marcus Aurelius in Ancient Rome, he forbade certain things for the army to keep them efficient. (Caesar forbade drugs and robots to keep the army from being addicted and getting lazy, Marcus Aurelius forbade marriage so that the soldiers can be full-time fighters.)

Pretty sure all chems are banned in Caesar's lands, made fairly obvious by them crucifying a Great Khan who tried to cross the river into Colorado to reach "untapped markets".

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Pretty sure all chems are banned in Caesar's lands, made fairly obvious by them crucifying a Great Khan who tried to cross the river into Colorado to reach "untapped markets".

Not really. Traders and non-Legion civilians are allowed chems, they're just not allowed to sell them to Legion troops. That Great Khan probably tried to sell chems to Legion troops and got crucified as a result.

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

Not really. Traders and non-Legion civilians are allowed chems, they're just not allowed to sell them to Legion troops. That Great Khan probably tried to sell chems to Legion troops and got crucified as a result.

I haven't seen any evidence anywhere that the Legion's drug policy only extends to its soldiers.

Also regarding an earlier point; as far as we see he only allows one autodoc, his own. I think it's supposed to display the hypocrisy of forbidding his own soldiers from using modern medicine while he himself has the MOST modern medicine.

Honestly, I doubt Caesar would ever last a single fucking day in his own legion.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I haven't seen any evidence anywhere that the Legion's drug policy only extends to its soldiers.

Also regarding an earlier poiny, as far as we see he only allows one autodoc, hos own.

We see a trader in a Legion camp that tells you that so long as you don't sell drugs to the Legion, they will protect you. Which means that people and traders in Legion territory DO have drugs, it's just that they're prohibited to sell to soldiers. With how ill-informed the Great Khans are (one even thinks that females are allowed in the Legion) it's probable that the one crucified Khan tried selling drugs to Legion soldiers and got crucified for his trouble.

Caesar grants the use of the autodoc to soldiers who do well.

And again, the lore indicates that there are peaceful communities in Legion territory that are left alone so long as they don't fuck with the Legion. They're not part of the Legion, and nothing indicates that Caesar forces his drug ban on non-Legion personnel outside of soldiers and slaves.

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

We see a trader in a Legion camp that tells you that so long as you don't sell drugs to the Legion, they will protect you. Which means that people and traders in Legion territory DO have drugs, it's just that they're prohibited to sell to soldiers. With how ill-informed the Great Khans are (one even thinks that females are allowed in the Legion) it's probable that the one crucified Khan tried selling drugs to Legion soldiers and got crucified for his trouble.

And again, the lore indicates that there are peaceful communities in Legion territory that are left alone so long as they don't fuck with the Legion. They're not part of the Legion, and nothing indicates that Caesar forces his drug ban on non-Legion personnel outside of soldiers and slaves.

He also could have been referring to the populace in general. Because Caesar is a megalomaniacal authoritarian asshole, I doubt that stops at civilians.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

He also could have been referring to the populace in general. Because Caesar is a megalomaniacal authoritarian asshole, I doubt that stops at civilians.

He didn't say the populace, the trader was talking about the Legion when he talked about not selling them chems.

Also, Caesar is an authoritarian for a reason. The NCR's democracy is falling apart, and the only other state that works out west is New Vegas, which is an autocracy under Mr. House. The NCR only succeeded as a hereditary dictatorship under Tandi and her dad, and it began falling apart the moment she left. It's likely that Caesar banned drugs because as a Follower of the Apocalypse, he's probably seen the bad effects of drug overdose and addiction. The Followers in Old Mormon Fort have to deal with a huge mess of drug addicts in Freeside, and to keep that from happening to his Legion, Caesar banned drugs. But since the communities outside the Legion in Legion turf are basically just used for tax mules, there's no reason for him to extend that same ban to non-Legion personnel.

And of course, doctors who can cure drug addiction are few and far between; far fewer than the drugs proliferated all the time by merchants. It's not like today where you can only get the hard-hitting drugs through a prescription from a doctor, someone could easily find a stockpile of psycho or jet and get a whole town addicted. So you can easily have a scenario like the Fiends where a community gets too high on drugs and they become a shadow of their former selves. Caesar, not having the time or patience to train doctors for his Legion, just decided to ban drugs altogether for them and instead had them use natural herbs and healing powders instead to avoid addiction and make sure that the Legion troops don't become like the Fiends or the Freeside junkies.

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

doctors who can cure drug addiction are few and far between

Especially in Retard's Legion where he doesn't have a single one.
Caesar is just a savage that sees himself as a statesman.

 

[Mnutu]

I always took the Legions ending with Caesar to imply that when he settles into Vegas the Legion would modernize a little, like allowing medicine and encouraging research and development. I don’t recall encountering any energy weapon wielding Legionnaires, but they did take interest in the Van Graffs deal. It’d be interesting to see a post-ending Legion but it’s a moot point; as much of a House fanboy that I am, the NCR are the default ending.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Especially in Retard's Legion where he doesn't have a single one.
Caesar is just a savage that sees himself as a statesman.

And yet he's far smarter than the NCR. Which goes to show how bad the NCR is, when some history nerd parading himself as an emperor is whooping their asses.

I always took the Legions ending with Caesar to imply that when he settles into Vegas the Legion would modernize a little, like allowing medicine and encouraging research and development. I don’t recall encountering any energy weapon wielding Legionnaires, but they did take interest in the Van Graffs deal. It’d be interesting to see a post-ending Legion but it’s a moot point; as much of a House fanboy that I am, the NCR are the default ending.

They probably did modernize in the Legion ending. Shit, if they can honor a woman as their new national heroine, they can change their drug policy as well. The Legion was never meant to be a permanent state of being, it wasn't even a Legion to begin with. It was a hodge-podge of tribes that were eventually united under one great tribe known as the Legion, and Caesar himself states that the Legion will have to change once it settles into Vegas as its New Rome. Maybe a few decades down the line, you'll see female Legion soldiers using energy weapons and drugs, fighting alongside the men, kind of like how the Galactic Empire in Legends Star Wars' Legacy Era had female and alien stormtroopers when in the classic movie-era Empire, that would have been impossible.

 

[Mnutu]

And yet he's far smarter than the NCR. Which goes to show how bad the NCR is.


They probably did modernize in the Legion ending. Shit, if they can honor a woman as their new national heroine, they can change their drug policy as well. The Legion was never meant to be a permanent state of being, it wasn't even a Legion to begin with. It was a hodge-podge of tribes that were eventually united under one great tribe known as the Legion, and Caesar himself states that the Legion will have to change once it settles into Vegas as its New Rome. Maybe a few decades down the line, you'll see female Legion soldiers using energy weapons and drugs, fighting alongside the men.

I wouldn’t go whole hog like that! Joking aside, it’s likely that he’d rebrand to Imperium Americanum and get started on portioning out land and slaves to his officers, establishing a real nation.

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

And yet he's far smarter than the NCR. Which goes to show how bad the NCR is, when some history nerd parading himself as an emperor is whooping their asses.

I would argue that Caesar is more clever than he is actually intelligent.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I wouldn’t go whole hog like that! Joking aside, it’s likely that he’d rebrand to Imperium Americanum and get started on portioning out land and slaves to his officers, establishing a real nation.

Probably. I can see the Imperium Americanum starting off as that kind of feudal state, with officers becoming landed feudal lords or governors, akin to Grand Moffs back in the old Galactic Empire.

I would argue that Caesar is more clever than he is actually intelligent.

That's the point of the character. He's smart, but he's not THAT smart.

That would be Robert Edwin House, who, had it not been for one platinum chip arriving way too late, would have ensured everything he needed to keep Vegas running and the Mojave prosperous.

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

Probably. I can see the Imperium Americanum starting off as that kind of feudal state, with officers becoming landed feudal lords or governors, akin to Grand Moffs back in the old Galactic Empire.


That's the point of the character. He's smart, but he's not THAT smart.

That would be Robert Edwin House, who, had it not been for one platinum chip arriving way too late, would have ensured everything he needed to keep Vegas running and the Mojave prosperous.

That's why me headcanon ending is the best. Basically the cut ending where House can sign over the Mojave outside of New Vegas and becomes an NCR citizen. Then runs for President and wins, leading the NCR to a new golden age.

Seriously, why the fuck is there no option to spare House by just locking him out of his own mainframe through the terminal in his hidey hole? Fucking waste of a brain.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

That's why me headcanon ending is the best. Basically the cut ending where House can sign over the Mojave outside of New Vegas and becomes an NCR citizen. Then runs for President and wins, leading the NCR to a new golden age.

Seriously, why the fuck is there no option to spare House by just locking him out of his own mainframe through the terminal in his hidey hole? Fucking waste of a brain.

I can see House doing the same in the regular House ending for New Vegas. Like, he rules the Mojave as a dictator, but he eventually does join the NCR with them respecting his lordship over the Mojave while he flies their colors.

 

[God of Nothing]

That's why me headcanon ending is the best. Basically the cut ending where House can sign over the Mojave outside of New Vegas and becomes an NCR citizen. Then runs for President and wins, leading the NCR to a new golden age.

Seriously, why the fuck is there no option to spare House by just locking him out of his own mainframe through the terminal in his hidey hole? Fucking waste of a brain.

That's technically what you can do
he begs for you to kill him instead though, lol

 

[Cod of War]

That's technically what you can do
he begs for you to kill him instead though, lol

He does that because he says he'd die anyway from the germs he has received from you opening his tank.

 

[Serbian Peacekeepers]

That, combined with having hundreds of Securitrons armed with the kind of weapons that the Boomers have, means that the Legion will be too scared to try and attack again.

YOU DID IT AGAIN , Mr house only gets the epic , game-changing rocket launchers and grenade rifles if the courier HELPs him with it , just because every time you play the game you give Mr house the chip doesn't mean everyone else does. Also your point about the vertibird is moot , its literally airforce one.

The NCR may be doomed to fail but they at least care, once again Mr house has done nothing for 200 years and I don't think he would even with his op bots that arent even that op.

That's why me headcanon ending is the best. Basically the cut ending where House can sign over the Mojave outside of New Vegas and becomes an NCR citizen. Then runs for President and wins, leading the NCR to a new golden age.

Seriously, why the fuck is there no option to spare House by just locking him out of his own mainframe through the terminal in his hidey hole? Fucking waste of a brain.

I don't trust Mr house , he's a visionary from a bygone era , i doubt he would run the NCR well at all

 

[draggs]

I dunno about House's competence, the linchpin of his plan was so weakly set up that it held him back for 200 years

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

YOU DID IT AGAIN , Mr house only gets the epic , game-changing rocket launchers and grenade rifles if the courier HELPs him with it , just because every time you play the game you give Mr house the chip doesn't mean everyone else does. Also your point about the vertibird is moot , its literally airforce one.

That's the same problem with the NCR. Without the Courier, everything they're doing is failing. Local gangs are slaughtering their men. The Legion is running rings around them. Everywhere you go, the NCR forces are on the brink of collapse. Without the Courier to save them, they're dog meat.

The NCR may be doomed to fail but they at least care, once again Mr house has done nothing for 200 years and I don't think he would even with his op bots that arent even that op.

The NCR doesn't even care that much either. They only care for things and people that further their nation's agenda. They couldn't care less about the smelly locals whom they would be more than happy to gun down if given the chance. The only difference is that House, even in his weakened state, has better soldiers than them. If the Courier helps the NCR, the NCR just keeps doing the same stupid shit they were doing, they still have potato-sack soldiers armed with dinky weapons patrolling the Mojave while back home, everything from Raiders to Brotherhood paladins are menacing their citizens. Whereas House has an army of robots with rockets and grenade launchers patrolling the Mojave, and he has a vested interest in making the Mojave a prosperous place, (ie. reviving the technology development sectors there) instead of just blindly taxing them to support a failing government.

I don't trust Mr house , he's a visionary from a bygone era , i doubt he would run the NCR well at all

And I don't trust the NCR leaders. They pick leaders based on nepotism, they value landlords and brahmin barons over regular citizens, and their own faggotry created the Legion in the first place. If they actually protected their citizens, there would be no Caesar's Legion, Edward Sallow would just be some NCR citizen praising the government, while they'd expand eastward in peace. What's to say their own faggotry won't create another threat down the line, like how they inadvertently created both the Legion and the Powder Gangers through their own stupidity?

I dunno about House's competence, the linchpin of his plan was so weakly set up that it held him back for 200 years

Only because his calculation was one day off. If the chip arrived a day before the nuclear war happened, he'd be set.

I'll take that small margin of error over a whole government run by clowns.

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

Caesar is about as nepotistic as you can get, picking Lanius as his successor simply because of his blind loyalty and obedience. Inculta is far more competent as a leader, but most of the Legion wouldn't trust him due to the dipshit culture Caesar has built. And Lanius is just a psychotic warmonger who is unfit to actually lead long term and will likely exhaust the Legion with war after war until it breaks like the NCR through overexpansion, something you can get him to admit with a speech check... and something he probably knows but doesn't have the fucking balls to say because it would be going against Caesar.

Lanius is an adept and skilled commander in battle, yes... but he's a sycophantic yes man for Caesar and lacks the fortitude to tell Caesar when he's wrong.

If he had any sense he would promote Lucius to a position above Praetorian and groom him for leadership. Lucius isn't an idiot, he's a very tempered and competent commander, the real problem is his position. He can be challenged and killed by anyone who wants his job, the same way he got the job in the first place.

Caesar's real problem seems to be that he can't groom an effective successor without endangering his own position.