Fallout series

[biguglyboy]

I mean, what's the point of even conducting that experiment when doing so requires a fucking NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST to happen after which who's going to launch space shuttles? The fucking NCR?!

I might be crazy, because I've not been able to find anything to collaborate this in recent years, but I was under the impression that Vault-Tec was pretty much fleecing the government doing all these subsidized vault projects when internally they never expected the bombs to actually drop. And then that idea would mesh with the space travel experiment one since whatever shady proto-Enclave shadow government still wants to get off thier resource deprived planet.
That's all clearly gone out the window by now, even before all the retardation of the TV show, since it also relies on the idea that people were populating the vaults in preparation to the expected nukes, and not rushing in only once they started dropping during the hustle and bustle of the apocalypse, which to me is the only way that makes sense. I think they might have lightly touched before, but then along comes the obvious example of Fallout 4 that puts you right into the evacuation. Even then I still think you could argue that actually supports the vault must have been pre populated to some extent. Otherwise are we supposed to concluded that the whole of the test population are the dozen or so people that made it in during last call in the minutes of warning?

 

[demicolon]

I might be crazy, because I've not been able to find anything to collaborate this in recent years, but I was under the impression that Vault-Tec was pretty much fleecing the government doing all these subsidized vault projects when internally they never expected the bombs to actually drop. And then that idea would mesh with the space travel experiment one since whatever shady proto-Enclave shadow government still wants to get off thier resource deprived planet.

Cain said it himself below:

and I revisited it just to be sure.

Really, there was not one egghead at the Evil Overlord shareholder meeting who went "Well ackshually Mr. President, every NASA site will be directly hit with a ground burst warhead so we will have, umm, a bit of a problem making enough rocket fuel, rockets, everything necessary to make a generational ship, probably for hundreds of years after the war."

I don't like the ripoff theory much, either. Too modern and Reaganomics-like, we're talking 50s America space race where the gubmint went all-out to put Man on the Moon to rub the fact into Russkies' noses forever. Maybe there was some kind of subcontractor corner-cutting during that but I didn't hear anything like that and doubt Moon landing would be possible if it happened.

Nothing definitive in original on why some Vaults (like 8) malfunctioned; AFAIR the player is supposed to assume plain incompetence with a touch of "some ignored the air sirens until it was too late".

I wonder how much truth is to Cain's claims that he didn't really work on Fallout 2 and all the stuff fans of 1 complained about was not his fault.

 

[TheHarbinger]

I wonder how much truth is to Cain's claims that he didn't really work on Fallout 2 and all the stuff fans of 1 complained about was not his fault.

He's just the politically acceptable face for the franchise. People like Fargo or Avellone built the actual franchise. Fargo was the one who put the first Fallout game into development after he lost the Wasteland IP to EA. He even came up with the name Fallout. Avellone was the lore expert who wrote the Fallout bibles (both the public and internal ones). And Chris Taylor was the leader designer of Fallout before Feargus took over for Fallout 2.

At one point Chris Taylor was working on Fallout Online which was an MMORPG set in the wastelands. This ended up resulting in a huge drawn out lawsuit between Bethesda and Interplay. Where eventually Bethesda and Interplay had spent millions in legal fees each and Interplay finally surrendered the entire Fallout IP to Bethesda. And eventually Bethesda would make Fallout 76 which used a lot of ideas from the canceled Fallout Online.

 

[biguglyboy]

Well when I say "fleeced" I didn't envision in the crooked contractors sense like Sierra Madre. More that they're getting all these juicy government contracts even though they don't really expect the bombs to actually drop, or at least for it to no be that bad. Meanwhile they get all the funding needed to build these vaults and perform their experiments.

 

[demicolon]

Still, how do you proceed with 13's experiment of sealing the inhabitants inside forever? Or exposing 8's population to extreme radiation to simulate, I guess, a starship's rad shielding malfunction? Makes no sense even in-universe.

Whoever signed on Vault 0 certainly expected the worst.

 

[biguglyboy]

Still, how do you proceed with 13's experiment of sealing the inhabitants inside forever? Or exposing 8's population to extreme radiation to simulate, I guess, a starship's rad shielding malfunction? Makes no sense even in-universe.

Whoever signed on Vault 0 certainly expected the worst.

I think you're referring to 101 and 12. In the former's case I think that still works, you just let them all eventually die out for whatever reason and you got your data point on how long a group and last in isolation. I'm not sure how long they expected to wait though to get that data though before blasting off.
As for 12 with the door, shit, you got me there. Seems like a real expensive and roundabout effort too when it ends up not even really being an isolated population to test on. I believe that exact detail about it being planned came from the bible, so if I really wanted to I could say how everything in there is in that semi-canon state that's only meant for drawing inspiration from, but that is a cop out on my part. Especially since I think I got this whole stuff from the part of the bible that said half of the reasoning behind the vaults was from the new plague.

 

[demicolon]

I think you're referring to 101 and 12.

13 and 12, forgot 8 is the Worst City and not Bakersfield. Didn't play 3 so didn't even know about V101 or it's purpose.
13 was sealed effectively forever and if we keep it strict to Fallout 1 lore, then 13, 15, 12 and the "pilot" under Boneyard are all Vaults known and as far as we can know, 13 did not have a reason to get out since it was in the middle of a barren mountain range, 15 opened early due to denizens wanting to stay away from each other, 12 malfunctioned and the Boneyard one had no reason to stay inside after radiation dropped.

In the former's case I think that still works, you just let them all eventually die out for whatever reason and you got your data point on how long a group and last in isolation.

But how do you convince the inhabitants to stew inside forever if the nukes didn't drop? If they had any surface monitoring, they'd blow up the door and go out guns blazing if they ever figured out they're meant to die sealed inside like in a coffin for some kind of experiment. You could rig the monitors to send false data, but it wouldn't take long before one of the youngsters goes spelunking inside the mainframe, figure out something's wrong and then what, order the overseer to arrange an accident? I doubt the overseer would comply after hearing the news.

 

[Campbell_Trio]

I think my biggest worry about this new obsidian fallout is Bethesda wanting them to have it set on the west coast just so they can truly get a Bethesda "post apocalypse forever" fallout set directly in California over just having the tv show go "oh yeah the ncr fell and shady sands got glassed". They know the show lore is unpopular and know that fans of fallout can easily just ignore since its only impact on the games so far is the ghoul existing in 76 so having a game set in california that shows the after math of the shady nuke is something they would do to reaffirm their control of the ip.
I have no faith in modern obsidian regardless of Sawyer being in charge or even if they got literally every credited name on fallout 1,2 and new vegas to work on it to make a good fallout game

 

[El Chacal De La Trompeta]

bethesda didnt want obsidian having another round with fallout, obsidian didnt want to do another full scale AAA game, microsoft is on full panic mode and told them both stop fucking around do this. there is no way this will end being good.

 

[demicolon]

I believe that exact detail about it being planned came from the bible, so if I really wanted to I could say how everything in there is in that semi-canon state that's only meant for drawing inspiration from, but that is a cop out on my part. Especially since I think I got this whole stuff from the part of the bible that said half of the reasoning behind the vaults was from the new plague.

Bibles are Avellone sharpening his bullshitting skills. Read them all long ago and some statements from memory:
- New Plague was FEV
- FEV is magic responsible for every lore inconsistency
- All the giant fauna like deathclaws, radscorpions and also ghouls are result of FEV
- Actually no, giant scorpions and ghouls are supposed to be make-believe like in Torg tRPG, where radiation alone made ghouls because that was the idea in the 50s about radiation poisoning turning people into zombies and giving them superpowers
- Somehow, the nuke that ripped Glow a new one launched FEV particles all over to Bakersfield (while missing everything in between and around like Los Angeles or Hub), which is why population of Vault 12 got ghouled instead of shitting and vomiting themselves to death
- I'm making it all up on the spot to cover plotholes so please don't treat it as, oh the irony, a sacred text

BTW. Avellone is (was?) very active on rpgcodex, posting spicy details about his time with Obsidian and shittalking former coworkers, particularly Feargus Urquhart who allegedly stabbed him in the back... made fun of the books Feargus was reading and recommending to him lol

 

[Campbell_Trio]

bethesda didnt want obsidian having another round with fallout

Isn't there still 0 proof regarding this and is just an exageration of bethesda not wanting anyone else working on fallout/TES?

obsidian didnt want to do another full scale AAA game, microsoft is on full panic mode and told them both stop fucking around do this. there is no way this will end being good.

If i was working at obsidian and having a good time working on avowed 2 then told to stop cause it was canceled and work on a fallout game no one wanted to make i would not be putting in the same effort i would have been if i was still on avowed 2. I keep seeing people act like this is some good move by microsoft to force obsidian to make another fallout over letting them do what they wanted and when has forcing people to do something they don't wanna do ever worked in the gaming space?

BTW. Avellone is (was?) very active on rpgcodex, posting spicy details about his time with Obsidian and shittalking former coworkers, particularly Feargus Urquhart who allegedly stabbed him in the back... made fun of the books Feargus was reading and recommending to him lol

This is why i trust nothing Avellone says about how Bethesda treated Obsidian because originally he defended Bethesda and agreed with his coworkers but now he swears up and down all the disproven bullshit was actually true and leaks details about his time at Obsidian to gain good will from people on the internet for no reason

 

[demicolon]

and when has forcing people to do something they don't wanna do ever worked in the gaming space?

Well we got Fallout 2 thanks to this practice. It'd be a stillborn franchise if left to Tin Caim's whims.