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It is on this two hundred and fiftieth birthday of the US of A that i remind you that the Enclave was right, actually.
Which Enclave? It might seem hard to notice with Emil's horrible writing and worldbuilding, but there is two in Fallout 3. There is a civil war and each side seems to have radically different ideals: Eden is a moronic, jeet programmed ZAX computer that is stupid enough to get talked into suicide by a teenager, and his "grand plan" is poisoning the water supply. Nevermind that there are much faster methods of killing mutants, you know, like releasing the FEV into the air like the Oil Rig leadership planned to do. The other side is led by Autumn, and considering how much he disagrees with Eden, we can assume he DOESN'T want to poison the water supply and wants to instead take over the purifier and use the water as a means to take over the region and win over the hearts of people. Would be nice to confirm it and actually talk to him about it, but since Enclave are just evil mooks you shoot mindlessly, we will never know. This is not me being facetious btw, after the "deep and complex" story of Oblivion(lol) Bethesda wanted to go with something much simpler and linear with Fallout 3, a story where you knew who the bad guys were and who the good guys were and didn't put more thought into it...kind of like Star Wars, with Enclave being the Empire and Brotherhood being the Resistance.

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Oh no, that's not to say they didn't make mistakes- their handling of Arroyo's Residents and Vault 13's population during the testing of both the Curling-13 FEV and its Immunization could have used some work, among other things- but they were largely in the right. "hey americans, we're working on this thing to kill every mutant, ever, but we need to make sure it doesn't kill humans too, would you like to help" might have been a decent start.
The Master's war was hardly out of generational memory even for tribals, ferals and mutant wildlife were everywhere, super mutants both new and old kept crawling out of the woodworks...
If they got the immunization down right and maybe- they could have mutated too far for it to work, the experiments never really came to a conclusion- distributed the vaccine to populations they knew of that weren't writhing masses of tumorous flesh or rotting corpses... who knows? Good end. Maybe.

On the topic of the original Frontier shitshow, yeah, Zu was a shitbag and deserved flak being turned into it by a woodchipper would be a decent start, but the dev team really tried to pin everything on him. The UI vector artist.
They really were just exceptional people. Especially since they're still fucking trying five years later- both to make their special snowflake mod, and to keep it pinned on those ejected from the team.
F2 Enclave were the clear bad guys, they were the exact same corrupt, out of touch retards that led to the nukes flying in the first place. I don't think this was ever brought into question, the devs made them two dimensional bad guys for a reason(see: the Vice President, based off a real US leader btw). Remember, there were some bad things going on before the bombs, and pretty much everything listed we can assume Enclave had direct or indirect involvement with:
>FEV, which gave birth to Super Mutants and giant animals/insects/mutations within humans(so they caused their own biggest problems they later needed to "correct"). Moreover, unless we take Van Buren lore into account, FEV was meant to be a bio weapon used against China, plain and simple, and if we account for New Plague existing, FEV was the equivalent of Umbrella Corp trying to make the Covid vaccine and creating the fucking T-Virus instead, I don't need to explain how this doesn't make Enclave heroes when even Wesker would tell West Tek and The Enclave to calm the fuck down
>Screwing over China, which led to them retaliating by invading Anchorage, which in turn led to one of the sides retaliating again with nuclear fire and ending the world, in other words the world's biggest slapfight that could have been avoided
>Hoarding what's left of the world's natural reserves of oil, which led to America becoming hated before the bombs and probably not an insignificant reason why the world didn't care that they were invaded by China and led to other parts of the world, like Europe, becoming third world shitholes
>Funding Vault-Tec and pulling their strings behind the scenes, causing unimaginable misery for absolutely no reason before and after the bombs. Note that even if the bombs would not be dropped, they would still perform all these experiments on unsuspecting Americans

If the knowledge of FEV and other bio experiments were leaked before the bombs to the general public, just imagine the chaos they created on top of all that. Unfortunately we never get any clear source on if this happened or not(outside of fan works like F2 Restoration Patch or New California, which sadly cannot be counted as canon in this instance), but we do know how the soldiers stationed at Maripose reacted to the FEV experiments: they got so disgusted by the US government that they seceded and became The Brotherhood of Steel. Now imagine the kind of riots we would see all around the world if the population knew about this, especially when you consider the government was already not popular both because they annexed Canada/indirectly led to the invasion of Anchorage and slaughter of thousands of US soldiers needlessly, but also because the country was being rocked by food riots nationwide(and New Plague aka Fallout Covid on top of that if we take Van Buren into the account).

Also, the Curling plan in F2 isn't supposed to "help Americans", it is meant to quite literally kill EVERYONE outside of the Oil Rig, something that The Enclave is supposedly actually capable of, and then repopulate the Earth with only the population from the Oil Rig. This is beyond parody, Hitler gassing gorillion jews for giggles still doesn't come close to how evil Enclave in Fallout 2 are and how many people they would kill if they actually succeeded. Remember, they would also kill countless animals and plants that were also mutated in some way, so even if their retarded plan would work, they would ruin what little remains of the ecosystem and probably starve to death. Richardson and Eden were the same kind of evil morons that led to the war breaking out in the first place, arguably the only non-moronic part of the Enclave is the splinter cell that Autumn leads after he betrays Eden, but even then we don't know for sure because Emil probably turned the page where he has written what his motivations and plans are into a paper plane and now it's lost to time. Let's also not forget they're hypocrites too, not only did they have a mutant serving for them(Frank Horrigan) but they were also led by a computer rather than a real human being(Eden), so much for being "the last hope for America" when they can't even get their own house in order and get it demolished by illiterate tribals and teenagers on regular bases.. Enclave is a good idea as a faction, but it needed better writers, ironically enough I read some really good fanfiction with Enclave as protagonists so I know there is some good ideas you could utilize to write them, but the closest we got to actually making that a reality in games would be America Rising 2 mod for Fallout 4, where the faction is written better than any vanilla group you can join. Good faction for roleplaying purposes, I will give you that, but it's hard to actually side with them on anything outside of that, especially when they just keep getting their asses kicked at every front.
 
Notice how the only times 30+ makes any actual points he uses stuff made by other people that he just repeats wholesale
 
Yes. Except the 76 Enclave, which barely exists.
Eden is an erroring ZAX computer that is broken enough to get talked into resetting by a teenager*, and his "grand plan" is poisoning the water supply. [yadda yadda faster mutant killy methods]
It's extremely likely that Raven Rock (and the Capitol as a whole) lacked the facilities to get it airborne.
The other side is led by Autumn, and considering how much he disagrees with Eden, we can assume he DOESN'T want to poison the water supply and wants to instead take over the purifier and use the water as a means to take over the region and win over the hearts of people.
Admittedly he may have the reason of 'we're not pure enough anymore by the research we still have', which makes things quite difficult, especially when the ONE REMAINING FUNCTIONAL VAULT IN THE REGION tells you to pound sand even if you were trying to get test subjects. Eden assumes you're pure after all, despite being a waster.
You can also talk him down without getting him to off himself, compared to literally every other Bad in the game.
hahaha the guy that made this missed the TARDIS in the first Fallout of all places
F2 Enclave were the clear bad guys, they were the exact same corrupt, out of touch retards that led to the nukes flying in the first place.
None of these are incompatible with being right. Yes, including that experiment you were about to type about that you left out of the list you already made.
Like i said, plenty of mistakes.
>Hoarding what's left of the world's natural reserves of oil, which led to America becoming hated before the bombs and probably not an insignificant reason why the world didn't care that they were invaded by China and led to other parts of the world, like Europe, becoming third world shitholes
But this one in particular was mostly the Eternal Yurocuck's fault for trying to invade the middle east for their supplies. Better examples might have been Mexico getting turbofucked and Canada getting annexed, depending on whether you think beaners and leaves are people.
Also, the Curling plan in F2 isn't supposed to "help Americans", it is meant to quite literally kill EVERYONE outside of the Oil Rig, something that The Enclave is supposedly actually capable of, and then repopulate the Earth with only the population from the Oil Rig.
A mistake they made again- their band of what is and isn't 'American' is too narrow, especially considering those Vaults that were still functional at a minimum.
Enclave is a good idea as a faction, but it needed better writers
True. That is the crux of things, but it's bad enough that there's a small handful of people i would remotely trust to do it, and even then they'd need supervised and double-checked.
America Rising 2
I was wondering when you'd mention that. Good mod. Shame that the dev is a rothole-munching leftie and in Bethesda's pocket to boot. Wonder how he was talked into letting Ward have a path persist in it.
 
Yes. Except the 76 Enclave, which barely exists.
I like that they reveal MODUS is in communication with the ZAX computer that would become JHE. I can't think of what else bethesda could really do with the enclave in 76 since it's more like a fan club with some bonuses than an actual faction. Hell i doubt MODUS could do anything to the Appalachian Brotherhood even if he wanted too.
You can also talk him down without getting him to off himself, compared to literally every other Bad in the game.
But where's the fun in that
I was wondering when you'd mention that. Good mod. Shame that the dev is a rothole-munching leftie and in Bethesda's pocket to boot. Wonder how he was talked into letting Ward have a path persist in it.
I never heard of this, what did the dev do besides i assume be deep into making paid creations
 
But where's the fun in that
Getting to use my Not Gun Skills in a game at least somewhat pretending to be an RPG still? The only thing to gain from it is his laser pistol, and with Broken Steel installed (IE the only time you're going to use the pistol) it's just a Smuggler's End clone.
I never heard of this, what did the dev do besides i assume be deep into making paid creations
Typical discordfaggotry. Minus the open grooming, possibly, i didn't look into it beyond that.
 
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