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My personal definition of retro (with regards to technology) has always been that it had to be something that either wouldn't be able to perform typical current-day tasks, or would perform them in very different, outdated ways.

For me retro is the familiar, and the system needs to struggle a bit. Back in the day, the software was basically always 1-2 steps ahead of the hardware in what it would require and as a result, a lot of stuff ran kinda poor. Games were designed with the thought in mind that by the time they're actually released, the computers will probably be faster. It was really a wild time which some people have forgotten and the current evolution of AI is comparable with the speed and weird niche things and assorted evolutionary dead-ends.

Yet still, I see many of these retro PC builds and they don't feel right for me. A Pentium III to play mid-90s DOS stuff? Eh. Because I have been collecting old computer junk since the 90s I have pretty much everything you can imagine. You can name it, I probably have it here somewhere, from Voodoo 5, to Wavetable soundcards like the EWS64XL to things like an MT-32. Any computer/socket/cpu generation. Yet, when I actually "do retro" on actual old DOS machines I usually pick the shitty ones with the tinny FM-Synth and the lag in Daggerfall/System Shock when the scene gets more complex. Just doesn't feel right otherwise for me. Same goes for the Amiga which I also do in actual hardware, everything past a mid-level-performing 020 just feels wrong. Don't get me wrong, it's fun to dig out that rare hardware once in a blue moon and see how far you can push things, but for day-to-day? I'm more about that $10 MediaGX Thinclient than I ever would be with some super 7 build with all the exotic cards I can muster. It feels closer to the high tech/low quality experience back then.

That said, the late stuff in the 00s that already uses "modern" DirectX and OpenGL APIs I just run on my current PC. The effort to have an extra system for that just doesn't seem worth it and linux' WINE is often more compatible than any current Windows PC. I'd never go through the effort of a "Morrowind/Deus Ex retro build" (yes they exist). Like you said, just feels like my normal PC, just slower. I guess it's also an individual thing and it's different for everyone.

Imo, the main appeal of that period of mainstream OSes is that they are very similar to what we have now, but from before the bloat really started to kick in.
I probably don't feel that one very hard because I moved over to Linux in the XP-ish era and stuck to the lightweight stuff in favor of heavy stuff like KDE/Gnome and the assorted "new shinies" that came along with it over the years. I still don't use udev. Until about two years ago I didn't even have dbus on my PC. I reluctantly started using it because I wanted to use bluetooth. What I do feel is indeed though that the bloat becomes harder and harder to avoid and usually feels more like a requirement than an improvement.
 
Legitimate autistic woman who worked at Microsoft. I don't like her that much (mostly because I'm tired of SEL references on computer youtube) but she definitely does know her shit.
The only problem I have with her is the voice filter. Sounds like Sandy Cheeks from Spongebob
Yet still, I see many of these retro PC builds and they don't feel right for me. A Pentium III to play mid-90s DOS stuff? Eh. Because I have been collecting old computer junk since the 90s I have pretty much everything you can imagine. You can name it, I probably have it here somewhere, from Voodoo 5, to Wavetable soundcards like the EWS64XL to things like an MT-32. Any computer/socket/cpu generation.
If you have any Silicon Graphics/IRIX machines have you managed to do anything cool with them? It drives me absolutely nuts that almost every video I can find has the same rehash of out-of-box demos and worn-out references to Jurassic Park.
 
If you have any Silicon Graphics/IRIX machines have you managed to do anything cool with them? It drives me absolutely nuts that almost every video I can find has the same rehash of out-of-box demos and worn-out references to Jurassic Park.
I wish SGI machines weren't so fickle to get up and running. I've been sitting idly on an Indy for several years because it's missing it's drives (BlueSCSI is an easy solution thankfully) and has some bastard flavor of Dallas NVRAM that borks the entire system when it dies. At least it's native PS/2, and not the protocol they used on older systems which use PS/2 connectors but are wired to where you'd fry something by plugging in actual PS/2 peripherals.
 
If you have any Silicon Graphics/IRIX machines have you managed to do anything cool with them? It drives me absolutely nuts that almost every video I can find has the same rehash of out-of-box demos and worn-out references to Jurassic Park.
Sorry. Only SGI story I have is passing up on a purple Silicon Graphics Indigo 2 in good condition because it was too big and I had no space for it at the time. I regret it to this very day. Don't know what I was thinking. I do know it did go home with someone, though. Beautiful case.

I'd personally look for blogs in regard to retro stuff. They're usually more in depth and have many pictures as the people who write them don't really do it for the views. Lots of blogs still out there.
 
Back in the day, the software was basically always 1-2 steps ahead of the hardware in what it would require and as a result, a lot of stuff ran kinda poor.
Has that really changed?

Yet still, I see many of these retro PC builds and they don't feel right for me. A Pentium III to play mid-90s DOS stuff? Eh. Because I have been collecting old computer junk since the 90s I have pretty much everything you can imagine. You can name it, I probably have it here somewhere, from Voodoo 5, to Wavetable soundcards like the EWS64XL to things like an MT-32. Any computer/socket/cpu generation. Yet, when I actually "do retro" on actual old DOS machines I usually pick the shitty ones with the tinny FM-Synth and the lag in Daggerfall/System Shock when the scene gets more complex. Just doesn't feel right otherwise for me. Same goes for the Amiga which I also do in actual hardware, everything past a mid-level-performing 020 just feels wrong. Don't get me wrong, it's fun to dig out that rare hardware once in a blue moon and see how far you can push things, but for day-to-day? I'm more about that $10 MediaGX Thinclient than I ever would be with some super 7 build with all the exotic cards I can muster. It feels closer to the high tech/low quality experience back then.
I get the idea. Certain games play better on a slower system, if only for better framerate consistency.

Sadly, I left the period-correct hardware behind in an attic in a town far away some 18 years ago and never cared to show up again to pick it up. I only got back into DOS after I found a CRT monitor in a shack behind my father's house in 2024. His brother-in-law had given it to him six years prior.

That said, the late stuff in the 00s that already uses "modern" DirectX and OpenGL APIs I just run on my current PC. The effort to have an extra system for that just doesn't seem worth it and linux' WINE is often more compatible than any current Windows PC. I'd never go through the effort of a "Morrowind/Deus Ex retro build" (yes they exist). Like you said, just feels like my normal PC, just slower. I guess it's also an individual thing and it's different for everyone.
The problem is with GPU manufacturers removing support for older standards. OpenGL and PhysX come to mind. And BTW, how is PhysX support in WINE on Linux with a GPU that doesn't natively support it? Does it get properly emulated on AMD, Intel, or RTX 50s?
 
I need to remind myself sometimes that e.g. the Amiga was technologically relevant for only 3-4 years, at best. A lot happened in these few years contrary to now and it was so impactful at the time because there was never something like it before, but it wasn't really around for long if you kept up with the state of the art.
You also have to remember that computers were so expensive and inaccessible that they were relevant to the average household a decade after their release and usage had passed. My local school system was still using Apple2s of various flavors for typing classes up to the 2000s. Computers would get passed around like old cars through families when one decided to upgrade.
 
not really a lolcow and not exactly retro computing, there's LOOK MUM NO COMPUTER. his main thing is synthesizers and turning everything into one or hooking it up to one to make music with, which includes computers (and even more retro stuff) too:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KA4Z7n_I14Avideo makes him look a bit worse (but he's a proper bloke who can laugh at himself and knows his stuff) and has a few other uk retro guys that might be worth checking out. also all kind of shenanigans on his channel for some nerdy entertainment.
Believe it or not, this guy has been selected by the UK as their entry in the Eurovision song contest, and he's bringing along real retro electronic geekery.

 
Checked out on this guy after his CED video where he performatively went OH HECKIN' YIKES twice about the existence of the move The African Queen.
That was extremely cringe, but he's one of the best YouTubers out there in terms of covering obscure tech in an engaging way.
Thankfully he usually keeps politics out of his videos, unlike some people ( crd.png )
 
Believe it or not, this guy has been selected by the UK as their entry in the Eurovision song contest, and he's bringing along real retro electronic geekery.
Everything else aside that's hitting the jackpot for a youtuber, holy shit.

That was extremely cringe, but he's one of the best YouTubers out there in terms of covering obscure tech in an engaging way.
I do like his stuff but going out of your way - twice, I reiterate - to get performative about an almost completely inoffensive film isn't keeping politics out of it. He could've just... not shown the disc.

In other news, today Usagi Electric presented his reworked shop. Though he was quick to talk about his computer projects coming up - some of which seem fairly cool. But then an aside about how he's really going to get in on his partial pivot to fucking around with old lab equipment and if you're one of the people who said mean things about him on this can lump it or get out - he wants to feel like a mad scientist and that's awesome. I looked at the previous video about this and there were... only a tiny handful of 'hey this isn't what I'm here for' comments, only one of which I would classify as being anything but very polite. This will be interesting to monitor.

I think he's making a bit of a mistake with that, really. His relative, but hard-won success with the IR spectrometer was greatly aided by being able to drive over to the world's foremost expert on that piece of equipment and access to his mountain of unobtainable parts. Doubt he's going to have that advantage with anything else. The justification of being able to do analytical work on magnetic storage media of yore is also interesting but I don't see how it could get better results or even faster/cheaper/(way) less time investment than sending samples off to a real analytical lab.
 
The problem is with GPU manufacturers removing support for older standards. OpenGL and PhysX come to mind. And BTW, how is PhysX support in WINE on Linux with a GPU that doesn't natively support it? Does it get properly emulated on AMD, Intel, or RTX 50s?
PhysX support wasn't removed from the GPUs. It was killed because Microsoft stopped certifying new 32-bit drivers and older 32-bit PhysX titles interacted directly with those drivers. 64-bit PhysX games still work fine. And of course, you can always run PhysX on the CPU (perf is bad though).

As for under wine - AFAIK GPU-accelerated PhysX has basically never worked on Linux. There's no PhysX driver to talk to and Nvidia has never provided one to my knowledge.

EDIT: Also, Nvidia has already built a translation layer into their drivers that restores accelerated PhysX for most of the popular 32-bit PhysX games on Blackwell. There's still a performance hit but it's very marginal.
 
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Believe it or not, this guy has been selected by the UK as their entry in the Eurovision song contest, and he's bringing along real retro electronic geekery.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=niMKvJ-Itq8

Congrats to Sam on this. I've been subbed to his YT for years, he's been putting in serious work to preserve early modern technology before it becomes lost to time. He opened a museum of artifacts in Kent not too long ago that I'd love to visit.


I think you cann still buy analog synth modules from him too.
 
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