Does China (PRC) Deserve Credit?

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Does China (PRC) deserve credit for what they've done?


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Zoomers have, for no other reason than that they're innocent of the "TikTok ban", decided to play ball for China.
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Many I know IRL have downloaded Xiaohongshu, China's version of Instagram, and have fawned over how they have allegedly solved homelessness, built mass transit on an unthinkable scale, and have generally progressed over 100 years faster than America, the "fourth world" country that still lags behind in many key metrics. This is all partially propaganda as a reaction to the ban, but there are slivers of truth in what they say (like, China has built high speed rail faster than the US, purely at an objective level)
Go on TikTok, BlueSky, Reddit, etc. and you will see the following:
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Therefore, does the PRC deserve credit? I admittedly am against any favoritism for them as they are absurdly fucking stupid when it comes to foreign policy, and it's also highly ironic that people are allowed to be critical of the US on American social media when the opposite is highly unlikely on Chinese social media, but other than that what are your thoughts?
 
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A lot of China is smoke and mirror performative propaganda. It doesn't help the CCP is not a big fan of criticism of any kind as well either.

The only credit I will give to it is that Deng Xiaoping and his followers were smart with their use of economic pragmatism in order to grow their nation's wealth and chose not to repeat Mao's dumb ideas constantly. Sure the country was still insidious and authoritarian even after the reforms but it was still able to trick large company owners in the West into thinking that outsourcing work there was a good idea.
 
Therefore, does the PRC deserve credit? I admittedly am against any favoritism for them as they are absurdly fucking stupid when it comes to foreign policy, and it's also highly ironic that people are allowed to be critical of the US on American social media when the opposite is highly unlikely on Chinese social media, but other than that what are your thoughts?
If you think coming back home to a 100 sqft apartment shared with 5 other people after working thankless 12-hour shifts every day of your life with only 2 weeks off is a good thing, then sure. Work culture in China is so stressful that Chinese zoomers are dropping out of life to "let it rot"; the average Tiktok-addicted mutt zoomer wouldn't last a week like that.
 
In big chinese cities they usually gather homeless people and drive them to country side, especially if there's a big event coming up or something like that. Also their solution to poverty was changing the definitions and amount of wealth thats considered poor.

I dont think there's that many credits you can give for CCP, during their time chinese culture and nature have been raped. Surveillance is also out of hand and they regularily cover up disasters, its partly because of "mandate of heaven" where something like major floods are considered as a sign from the heavens that leadership has no mandate anymore.
 
Thinking about it the only other thing I can think of at the bare minimum that the PRC can get credit for is that unlike many of their competitors in the West they aren't trying to flood their nation with cheap imported labor that has little in common with their preexisting citizen population. Purely thinking about it from an ethno-nationalist perspective, 90% of their population is Han Chinese and it shows no sign of changing anytime soon. They do pander to their minorities somewhat but not to an absurd degree.
 
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China would be in a better place if the nationalists won the civil war, despite the nationalists being filled with corrupt warlords. I think things would have mellowed out over time and they're preferable to the sex pest pedophile Mao Zedong and the CCP.
 
China deserves credit for being impressively effective at psychological warfare. Far moreso than the West.

Their "economic miracle" and infrastructure buildup shouldn't be completely dismissed, but it also should be acknowledged that it's not as impressive as it seems on the surface.

Also, everyone in the screenshots in the OP looks to be a radical leftist, hardly representative of the population.
 
China would be in a better place if the nationalists won the civil war,
KMT is very pro-China, afaik and it's a common belief China today is largely what Chiang wanted as opposed to the retardation of Mao Zedong of forcing everyone on to live an agricultural commune. Stalin originally favored the KMT too because he distrusted Mao, and thought the Chinese would get in the way of them leading the world wide socialist movement.
 
it's a common belief China today is largely what Chiang wanted as opposed to the retardation of Mao Zedong of forcing everyone on to live an agricultural commune
To be fair much of the social and political retardation of modern China stems from CCP rule. A lot would immediately improve from the reintroduction of Chinese culture, history and social norms
West Taiwan reannexation when?
 
Chiang wanted as opposed to the retardation of Mao Zedong of forcing everyone on to live an agricultural commune.
he was also comically corrupt and US aid only entrenched the corruption issues that were endemic with KMT-era china.

they had driven the communists into manchuria and were poised to smash them entirely in 1948 when suddenly they just paused their offensive and......did nothing while the CCP regrouped and outflanked them on every front.
 
If you think coming back home to a 100 sqft apartment shared with 5 other people after working thankless 12-hour shifts every day of your life with only 2 weeks off is a good thing, then sure. Work culture in China is so stressful that Chinese zoomers are dropping out of life to "let it rot"; the average Tiktok-addicted mutt zoomer wouldn't last a week like that.

Also, the extreme pressure on children to study until their eyes bulge out to pass the College Entrance Exams, so they can get excellent education to get high-paying jobs to get their family out of poverty, has caused an over-saturation of college graduates. More and more of them are resorting to low-skill jobs like takeout delivery, since that's the only few jobs that are available. And with even takeout delivery jobs getting over-saturated now, it's understandably those newer generations of Chinese choose to just "Lay Flat".

But somehow, even with the Rat Race in China being as toxic as it is, South Korea somehow does those things EVEN WORSE.
 
Yes. They've modernized their country in a single generation and basically did a speed run of what the West took a century to achieve, both the good and the bad. At the same time, they always kept their distance from being totally subverted by the West and used globalism as a tool for their own agenda. China's spy program is possibly the greatest in history, given they have spies and useful idiots in every major corporation, university, and government feeding China everything it needs to be a global superpower.

That's not to say there aren't a lot of problems with China and I wouldn't want to live there since the government does insane shit like their covid lockdown policy although China did recover politically by convincing the West to copy them (there were emails of unknown content exchanged between big lockdown advocates and CCP officials in February 2020). And in many ways China is still 50 years behind the West given their "Rust Belt" in Manchuria, all sorts of poorly built structures, and pollution issues.

Now Western leftists praising China is really stupid since beside Democrats borrowing their bureaucratic anti-freedom approach from the CCP, China is very conservative especially now. BLM/Floyd bullshit would not fly in China--they'd be in a gulag. Hobos are strictly punished and not allowed to shoot fent and tranq all day and set fires and rape. Feminism is not tolerated, and Chinese women are expected to act and dress like women. Homosexuality and transgenderism are not permitted in public and promoting them is punished like when China closed down a big LGBT center and exposed it as a CIA front. Chinese media promotes socially and physically healthy lifestyles and the good of the country and does not tolerate subversion. Ethnic minorities are permitted to keep their culture but not bowed before and worshipped, and immigrants are strictly monitored with tight quotas and conditions and sent packing if they fuck up.

This is what the West should be copying from China, and why China is deserving of at least some praise. Just like our governments did decades ago, the CCP is actually promoting and advancing their country instead of treating them as colonial subjects to abuse, easily replaced economic units to exploit, and subject to freak shows and degeneracy to convince the scum who runs us that their Satanic fetishes are normal. Xi Jinping is not a good guy, but he's far, far superior to any Western leader including Donald Trump who's about to sell us out to billionaires.
In big chinese cities they usually gather homeless people and drive them to country side, especially if there's a big event coming up or something like that. Also their solution to poverty was changing the definitions and amount of wealth thats considered poor.

I dont think there's that many credits you can give for CCP, during their time chinese culture and nature have been raped. Surveillance is also out of hand and they regularily cover up disasters, its partly because of "mandate of heaven" where something like major floods are considered as a sign from the heavens that leadership has no mandate anymore.
You can literally see how China lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty since the 80s by looking at satellite pictures of China then vs now. Chinese sweatshops suck, but they often pay their workers more than they make in their village. China basically traced the US's development from the 1870s-1970s in just a single generation. Let's remember that the industrial US had dark satanic mills where you were paid like shit, would get fired for losing your fingers in the machinery, and it was considered benevolent to let your workers take Sunday off because they were doing 12+ hour shifts every other day. Or that as recently as the 1970s we had shit like the Love Canal, the Cuyahoga River in Cleveland catching fire, or the average river in Appalachia having all sorts of nasty mine leakage in the water that made them utterly toxic, made worse by all the dams they built. Every city in the US used to have godawful smog that was so bad that until the 50s it used to cause more lung cancer than cigarettes.

As for China's pollution, they're building a fuckton of huge dams everywhere (green energy), have all the largest solar plants in the world, and are also a major nuclear power investor. They've also reduced air pollution by something like 40% between 2012 and 2019, and we know this isn't just China making shit up because you can see it on satellites and because Chinese people complained the government did shit like seize their heaters for not being up to code. Yeah, they do some real shitty things that leftist ecofags want in the West, but they've gotten a lot done.
To be fair much of the social and political retardation of modern China stems from CCP rule. A lot would immediately improve from the reintroduction of Chinese culture, history and social norms
West Taiwan reannexation when?
The CCP in the past 20-30 years has made big steps to fix this. It's commonly said that Confucius is read far more than Mao these days. Chairman Xi especially is pro-Confucius and anti-Western degeneracy and has done a lot to combat both Western feminism imported by the CIA and China's own indigenous feminism that was created by Mao. There are also a lot of pro-Confucian intellectuals and professors who have some level of support in the CCP.
 
As for China's pollution, they're building a fuckton of huge dams everywhere (green energy), have all the largest solar plants in the world, and are also a major nuclear power investor. They've also reduced air pollution by something like 40% between 2012 and 2019, and we know this isn't just China making shit up because you can see it on satellites and because Chinese people complained the government did shit like seize their heaters for not being up to code. Yeah, they do some real shitty things that leftist ecofags want in the West, but they've gotten a lot done.
Go suck rice dick somewhere else, fag. 40% means absolutely nothing coming from their lying ass, nor would it mean anything if it were true. That’s how genuinely awful and terrible their pollution is. Take a step into Beijing on a day it hasn’t rained and tell me how the stinging acid feels now that it’s been “40% reduced”. All because they’ve made dams (which should fucking terrify you considering the quality of Chinese concrete), and solar farms. They’re still a manufacturing slum.

I hope the Social Credits were worth it bro, cause I sure as shit know the 2 Yuan weren’t.
 
Go suck rice dick somewhere else, fag. 40% means absolutely nothing coming from their lying ass, nor would it mean anything if it were true. That’s how genuinely awful and terrible their pollution is. Take a step into Beijing on a day it hasn’t rained and tell me how the stinging acid feels now that it’s been “40% reduced”. All because they’ve made dams (which should fucking terrify you considering the quality of Chinese concrete), and solar farms. They’re still a manufacturing slum.
Nigga you can track air pollution on satellite. This isn't China reporting their success, this is an American study using non-Chinese satellite data to show that China actually isn't lying about their success at reducing pollution.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/690823/china-annual-pm25-particle-levels-beijing/ Oh look, Beijing smog is down over half according to the American embassy's own data. You China doomers are some of the most perpetually wrong people out there, the Cramers and Krugmans of geopolitics who use literal CIA propaganda like China Uncensored or Voice of America for your sources.
 
Nigga you can track air pollution on satellite. This isn't China reporting their success, this is an American study using non-Chinese satellite data to show that China actually isn't lying about their success at reducing pollution.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/690823/china-annual-pm25-particle-levels-beijing/ Oh look, Beijing smog is down over half according to the American embassy's own data. You China doomers are some of the most perpetually wrong people out there, the Cramers and Krugmans of geopolitics who use literal CIA propaganda like China Uncensored or Voice of America for your sources.
Nigga, my ass was in China during that timeframe, and it still was fucking miserable and dirty. Stop riding Xi’s microdick and pretending they’re better than they actually are

They’re larping a dead culture on a cultural mix pot, not that you really want genuine, actual Confucian ideals (want a traditional Confucian hero? Look at Liu Bei, the backstabbing cannibal in the stories).

To think that China and every other underdeveloped nation speed running the Industrial Revolution was a good and necessary event is the most mainstream retard economic thought ever. It was a complete failure.
 
Nigga, my ass was in China during that timeframe, and it still was fucking miserable and dirty. Stop riding Xi’s microdick and pretending they’re better than they actually are
Okay, and one day I drove through a certain big city in America and there was no traffic, clearly there never is any traffic in big cities in America! You clearly have no interest in facts.
They’re larping a dead culture on a cultural mix pot, not that you really want genuine, actual Confucian ideals (want a traditional Confucian hero? Look at Liu Bei, the backstabbing cannibal in the stories).
I've read enough of Confucian and neo-Confucian thought to know that it is one of the most optimal philosophies for human existence. Modern China doesn't totally follow it of course (they could do to follow the advice of Discourses on Rice and Salt for instance) but they have enough elements of it that it's seriously helping restore the morality to their society that Maoism, unrestrained Deng-style capitalism, and Western subversion eliminated.
To think that China and every other underdeveloped nation speed running the Industrial Revolution was a good and necessary event is the most mainstream retard economic thought ever. It was a complete failure.
Yeah I know, fuck industrializing your country n shieet, they should be like Afghanistan and Somalia and the Congo where everyone is dying of starvation and they all live like medieval dirt farmers. If China made every mistake the West did during industrialization, they also reaped every benefit of it.
 
and have fawned over how they have allegedly solved homelessness
This is actually quite accurate for almost all "tier 1" and "tier 2" cities, at least when I was there I literally left the bike I had n shit out in public even in sketchier areas without ever bothering to lock it and didn't ever worry about it getting stolen, what the CPC does right is no monkeys crawl out of their holes to snatch their prey at a moments notice, and there's never a homeless camp under a highway unlike in "leftist" american areas. Don't get me wrong though I'm pretty comfortable living in the US but honestly wouldn't mind it if I were born there instead
 
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