Do people really hate Christ?

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It's very hard to actually pin anything down on him due to the difficulties with where his actual life and thoughts begin and where Paul's/ ancient bishops start. It gets worse when we consider what might be misatributed or just plain made up. He only really exists as an abstract to project onto. Anything you hate about him is something which is articulated by someone else or is projected onto him by yourself.
You may as well skip the bullshit and just resent parental/authority figures you actually interact with.
 
I'm stealing from comedians again but I have to question if even the edgiest fedora atheist hates Christ as much as the people who use the device he died horrifically on as their main fucking symbol of peace.

You think that's why he hasn't come back?
"No Dad, I'm not goin' down there again, look at all the crosses they didn't get it!"
 
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I don't hate Christ myself, the man has been dead for over 2000 years and it would really be silly to hate someone that's been gone that long. I'm just not to fond of modern day Christians. My main problem with them is most modern Christians don't live up to what they preach and barely even know their religion's own history, the bible it's self has been bastardized over the centuries and originally Romans came together decide on a proper version of it.

I was raised in a very extreme protestant household, very hypocritical one. Once I was old enough to decide for myself if I wanted to go to Church or not I ultimately decided to leave. I never felt anything spiritual through Christianity. I'm not really an atheist, and that's another thing if you admit you lean towards the theist side when your a former christian they scream that your just angry with god and you'll come back to your christian faith. I never really had faith in the first place with the Church nor in Christ.

Christianity seems like today a religion who's followers consist of convicts, ex-cons, single moms, dead beat dads, drug addicts, and former drug addicts. It's the jail get out of free card and the "who are you to judge me" religion. Least with Islam they take their shit seriously, usually. In Christianity they just slap people on the wrist if they stray from teachings and I feel most Christians don't actually take their religion as seriously as they say they do.

They just want something to make them feel better that they fucked up their lives and an explanation as to why they fucked up their lives rather than taking more responsibility for their own actions in life.
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>least in Islam they take their shit seriously
:story: like muslims give a shit about Ramadan or not drinking alcohol.
 
I'm an anti-theist personally. I don't hate religion or anything, in fact a lot of my friends are some denomination of Christian but I definitely think religion in it's many forms is ultimately harmful to the world. Ironically I actually really love religious history and can get pretty obsessive about reading the original translations over the newer bastardizations.

That is to say that while I don't necessarily believe that the figure and feats commonly associated with Jesus was a single person and thereby don't believe in Jesus, I'm sure that if I did believe he had existed at some point that I wouldn't hate him.
 
You say this was a man of peace but he still felt it was just and right that he should roast babies eternally for the sin of having been born and not having had water poured over their head in his name. Or that consensual sex deserves again, unending and eternal torture. You have no logically consistent ground to criticize the freaks like the zoosadists while likewise claiming this is justice.

I have no respect for death cults of any flavour;they're all false, their proponents are at best deluded and at worst charlatans and all preach doctrine that at the core despite the claims of moral superiority are nothing short of fucking depraved. They deserve scorn and ridicule.

Tl;dr: I view you the same way I view dog fuckers and their white knights. Depraved and barbaric.
 
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I certainly don't hate the witch-king of Jews, although I haven't been baptized in his name. In contrary, I do recognize his skill in understanding the truth, however hamfistedly he might have communicated it to his disciples. And overall I can't help but wonder at what he must have thought, when he set those disciples on their quest to conquer the world.
 
I made a joke about this earlier but you do really have to view this sort of thing psychologically sometimes. When you create a movement where the Lord and Savior died in total agony and misery and then make the image of a human being suffering in torment on a ratty piece of wood your symbol people are going to be averse to it. I'm fully aware of the metaphors involved. I'm fully aware of the logic involved. I know all of the ways its been attributed to the human condition and all of the ways its been interpreted over the years.

Some kids just respond badly to the image of a man who's been nailed up and had a bunch of spearholes punched into his guts is all I'm saying.
 
Catholic turned atheist here. I never hated Jesus at any point, though I don't think he's important anymore and I'll roll my eyes if somebody insists to me that he is.

Now God I used to be really mad at in my angry teenage years breaking away from the church, but that was a result of being forced by my parents to kiss his non-existent ass. Now that I don't go to church and don't need to think about him constantly, I can treat him as the distant fictional figure I believe him to be instead of somebody to blame.

Maybe those that are pissed at Christ/God are just being pressure cooked by their peers or parents like I used to be. For me they're irrelevant now, and so I don't feel anything at all.

Sorry if this is too high of a powerlevel. I'm fresh so I can't tell where the boundaries are sometimes.
 
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ITT: Theologically illiterate fedoralords.
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Do you deny that Jesus/God created a place of eternal torment, continues to sustain it and endorses its use in the torture of anyone who did not have water poured over their head in his name as well as the vast majority who did for a random list of "offenses"?

Do you believe that this is a good man to be idolized and praised?
 
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Do you deny that Jesus/God created a place of eternal torment, continues to sustain it and endorses its use in the torture of anyone who did not have water poured over their head in his name as well as the vast majority who did for a random list of "offenses"?

Do you believe that this is a good man to be idolized and praised?
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No because that's Dante's fanfiction that got popularized as actual theology despite having nothing to do with it, Heaven and Hell are the same place, where one experiences the full presence of God. This presence is experienced as either suffering or paradise depending on the spiritual alignment of the person with God. Someone who rejects God experiences it as torment. Hell wasn't made by God, it's simply a possible spiritual state of someone after death.
 
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No because that's Dante's fanfiction that got popularized as actual theology despite having nothing to do with it, Heaven and Hell are the same place, where one experiences the full presence of God. This presence is experienced as either suffering or paradise depending on the spiritual alignment of the person with God. Someone who rejects God experiences it as torment. Hell wasn't made by God, it's simply a possible spiritual state of someone after death.
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I can see this becoming quite a lengthy conversation, and perhaps one not best suited for this thread; you Orthodox are fairly unusual in beliving in all being in the presence of God despite passages such as 2 Thessalonians 1:9, Matthew 13:50, Mark 9:43 Revelation 21:8 among others that describes an entirely separate world of fire in which those present do not partake in the Beatific vision. Though it's one I am open to having elsewhere.

Perhaps I should focus more on the actions and words and beliefs we ascribe to Jesus of Nazareth; to describe a small list of his beliefs and doings.....

-Killing plants for not blooming out of the season they were created by him to bloom in. It's consistent at least, considering he punishes and witholds graces from those whom he creates with traits and predilections that displease him (such as gays, women with a desire for leadership etc)
-Casting evil spirits into animals and then driving them off cliffs. Why is violence against humans including children (such as the divine bear attack within 2 Kings 2:23-5) and animals necessary for a man with the unlimited divine/supernatural powers who can bend and reshape all existence as he desires?
-Despite all the things Jesus found time to condemn, he never once found it to condemn slavery and the men who followed him all fully endorsed it.
-Jesus openly admits he wants to cause disorder and violence as well as turn families against each other (Matthew 10:34-36)
-Jesus frequently told lies
1) And Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen. “And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.” (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)


2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)


3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)


4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)


5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)


6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)


7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (John 15:7 NAB)


8) It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB)


9) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB)
I'm sure by the standards of the day he was possibly not the worst man around, perhaps even rather enlightened in comparison; however one thing he did remain constant if the four accepted gospels are to be believed at face value; Jesus aspired to be a tyrant in the truest sense of the word. His orders no matter how contradictory, nonsensical or dangerous were to be followed lest unending wrath and violence be poured upon you not merely in the next world, but this one as well.

Yes. He healed people; of diseases which if he is to be believed as being a deity he created because your indescribably distant great x99999999 grandmother ate an apple and afflicted people with, and healed as a piece of staged theater so he could show what an awesome man he was. Missing the fact he could have stopped leprosy, epilepsy, blindness etc eons ago if not never created in the first place.

I don't see a man, regardless of his claims being real or not, who either way believed he was the tyrant of tyrants and both the source and cure of what amounts in the hands of a creator horrific biological weapons of being someone to like.

Fear certainly if he was what he claimed, but like or love? Hardly. I don't hate the popular imagining of Jesus in the same way I don't hate other characters of historical fiction, but even just picking out a handful of his other attributes he's hard to find likeable.

Would most people post apostolic age have liked Jesus if a large majority didn't believe he or his devotees were going to go full 13 year old Sims player and burn them and their loved ones if they thought otherwise?
 
People not liking a Jew? When did this start happening!? Oy Vey.
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People don't usually have the decency to hate Christianity for what it actually is, but it's possible to do it. Nietzsche did. He said that Christians held a slave morality, something that glorified weakness rather than strength, so people start to strive after weakness. This ends in the weak tearing down the strong and the world becoming sad and pathetic.

That's an oversimplification of a complex issue, but he's not entirely wrong. The Farms documents enough victim culture to show that.

But most people who hate Jesus are just fedora tippers.
 
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You say this was a man of peace but he still felt it was just and right that he should roast babies eternally for the sin of having been born and not having had water poured over their head in his name. Or that consensual sex deserves again, unending and eternal torture. You have no logically consistent ground to criticize the freaks like the zoosadists while likewise claiming this is justice.

I have no respect for death cults of any flavour;they're all false, their proponents are at best deluded and at worst charlatans and all preach doctrine that at the core despite the claims of moral superiority are nothing short of fucking depraved. They deserve scorn and ridicule.

Tl;dr: I view you the same way I view dog fuckers and their white knights. Depraved and barbaric.
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So you view the Kiwis that believe GodJesus to be depraved barbarians? On one hand, okay that'll get a euphoric fedora but on the other had, that sounds pretty damn metal.

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It's very hard to actually pin anything down on him due to the difficulties with where his actual life and thoughts begin and where Paul's/ ancient bishops start. It gets worse when we consider what might be misatributed or just plain made up. He only really exists as an abstract to project onto. Anything you hate about him is something which is articulated by someone else or is projected onto him by yourself.
You may as well skip the bullshit and just resent parental/authority figures you actually interact with.
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The system itself began very differently from what it was today and without a doubt, much of the early believers would differ as well. If anything, the hatred would be more on authority figures and parents. One can't really be made at God and Jesus so much as the concept or perception of them in relation to how one responds to the text, and the text itself can be fucked when considering translations and what they really mean. And this all comes from a guy that unironically believes in a Jewish man who died on a piece of wood and rose back from the dead.

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People don't usually have the decency to hate Christianity for what it actually is, but it's possible to do it. Nietzsche did. He said that Christians held a slave morality, something that glorified weakness rather than strength, so people start to strive after weakness. This ends in the weak tearing down the strong and the world becoming sad and pathetic.

That's an oversimplification of a complex issue, but he's not entirely wrong. The Farms documents enough victim culture to show that.

But most people who hate Jesus are just fedora tippers.
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In regards to Nietzsche, it wouldn't be much of just the stories or ideology so much as well as how it could give one a certain life style. Then again, there are other systems Nietzsche could take problems with if they also looked down on the concept of revenge. All that said, the kind that would sperg hard in how they hate Jesus would be fedora tippers, especially those that try to argue that they are more logical when logic doesn't mean you're free of being raging tard who can be as irrational as others in how they respond.
 
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