Debate user The_Cowcel about incels.

[Mid Na]

Do you know what it's like to be abandoned by all of your friends and cast out by your family just because you've had the audacity to beg for help and advice achieving this goal that everyone one of them had succeeded effortlessly? No you haven't.

no one likes a trauma dumping loser fag
every one of us learned to live and overcome our struggles and sometimes gave up things we can not achieve for one reason or another.
you arent entitled to anything just because you exist.
make something of yourself instead of being here and crying about shit no one gives a fuck about other than you.
but then again i know talking to incels and trying to help them lead to nothing but them crying some more.
YOU are the problem.

 

[Maker's Mark]

but if life is miserable and work is suffering then why even live? If we are suffering for reasons that are outside of our control and in the control of others then why should we be the only ones to die? The ability to get a woman it crucial to the ability to be fulfilled in life

Both of my brothers are married. One is happy. The other is not. I'm not going to go into great detail, but despite being married, having a wife, he is miserable and has admitted that very few things make him happy. Marriage didn't fix him. I'd argue at the moment it has made things worse for him. I look at what he is going through, and I'd rather be current me: The financially well-off bachelor that fucks hookers when he feels like it. Marriage is not what makes or breaks one's life.

 

[Mamimi]

But if life is miserable and work is suffering then why even live? If we are suffering for reasons that are outside of our control and in the control of others then why should we be the only ones to die? The ability to get a woman it crucial to the ability to be fulfilled in life and without it we are socially crippled and looked down on everywhere we go, we can't even hide that we're incels because our desperation consumes everything else about us. We are tortured for the crime of being sexually unwanted by women who have nothing forcing them to settle. Women can't relate because even when they are single they aren't cut out of the gene pool because there's always a man willing to fuck them, the same can't be said for an incel who has spent most of his life focused on getting a woman and who has been alienated from his friends and family due to that desperation.

I noticed that incels often demand others give them a reason to continue participating in society rather than killing themselves, as if you have any kind of leverage here. You can either work with what you have or resign yourselves to misery; nobody else except maybe your mother is invested in whether you enjoy life or not. It's up to you.

It's also worth noting the differences in the types of jobs men and women work, men work in fields with uncomfortable conditions, high work loads, and risks of injury and death, women get easy jobs where they basically just have to look pretty and do easy shit in an airconditioned buiding all the while making as much or more than men risking our lives which means that these sluts have no reason to settle for anything but the men they think they deserve because women aren't desperate for sex because they know they can get it if they just lower their standards.

Men hold about half of all white collar jobs. Women make up the vast majority of nurses and nursing assistants who clean up dementia patients all day, so no, we're not all boss babes with fake email jobs. Regardless I find it funny when men with shitty jobs deride me for having one where I sit at a desk. I got educated and worked entry level IT for years to get where I am, maybe stop thinking an office job should be handed to you just because you have a dick.

We're only "creepy" because we're sexually unwanted and can't get a woman. It's nothing to do with our behavior, our behavior is caused by sexual selection. Do you fucking know what it's like to spend most of your life obsessing over a goal that everyone around you seems to have achieved effortlessly yet which you can make no progress in? Do you know what it's like to be abandoned by all of your friends and cast out by your family just because you've had the audacity to beg for help and advice achieving this goal that everyone one of them had succeeded effortlessly? No you haven't.

You got it backwards. People don't consider you creepy because women aren't interested in you. Women aren’t interested in you because you are creepy. Part of that is just the fact that male autism is almost always inherently off-putting to women, but you're not doing yourself any favors with the conduct you voluntarily engage in either.

>calls women sluts
>says we should be forced into relationships because you can't get laid otherwise
>"it has nothing to do with my behavior, foids hate me for no reason"

By your own admission, you lost any friends you made because you spent all your time together whining about how your life sucks and begging them to help you "get a woman."

 

[Feraljak]

We are tortured for the crime of being sexually unwanted by women who have nothing forcing them to settle. Women can't relate because even when they are single they aren't cut out of the gene pool because there's always a man willing to fuck them, the same can't be said for an incel who has spent most of his life focused on getting a woman and who has been alienated from his friends and family due to that desperation.

Do you want to be my boyfriend? I bet that I (male) can make you feel more loved and appreciated than any foid whore can.... :3

 

[The_Cowcel]

The Leftist Branch leads to Trooning or tricking women into sex.

Wait they can do that? These leftists have more power than I initially expected.

I love this line of logic because the moment you guys get married, it will be ten million times worse for you, lmao. Grass is always greener, for sure.

Both of my brothers are married. One is happy. The other is not. I'm not going to go into great detail, but despite being married, having a wife, he is miserable and has admitted that very few things make him happy. Marriage didn't fix him. I'd argue at the moment it has made things worse for him. I look at what he is going through, and I'd rather be current me: The financially well-off bachelor that fucks hookers when he feels like it. Marriage is not what makes or breaks one's life.

Guys like this always, always suffer from atop their crystal castles. They have this grand idea of what life, relationships, & love should be, yet never try to counter argue that ideal (in order to strengthen the argument) in their ill/ thought out manifestos. Nothing could ever possibly live up to their expectations, it’s all a fantasy of “the promised wife of the past which was stolen from them.” If (big if) this dumbass was potentially able to get over himself enough to have a relationship, it’s guaranteed that’s he’d never be happy because no woman could possibly match the ideal he’s built in his mind. It’s par for the course when objectifying to the max. They think that “real love” should be exactly like the ideal in their heads, no one could ever live up to those expectations. Love is a choice at the end of the day, it takes work. It’s not served to you on a platter. It has never been served to “the common man” on a platter, & the guy who carried out this attack is a faggot. Someone else mentioned a few pages back that this manifesto looks like a repurposed term paper, I agree. I think he just tacked on some shit about killing & weapons here & there, and then went to town

You guys realize there is a huge gap between "kissless handholdless virgin" and "perfect marriage" right? None of you seem to be comparing a lifetime without success to even one mediocre intimate encounter with a female which is what I and I imagine most incels are after, we want to feel like we can actually achieve something in life rather than fighting a completely pointless struggle that never pays off. Instead of having a life with ups and downs it's just constant monotonous loneliness and working for a goal we have no reason to believe will pay off. Just a sense of things happening and the ability to do things would be life changing.

Not true. And as I said previously, there are other ways for males to establish worth such as wealth or education. I also want you to know that I sympathize with your predicament. But you're not looked down upon for being a virgin, you're looked down upon for all the behaviors and factors that made you a virgin. Self improvement should be the first and foremost goal of incels with the goal of raising self esteem and increasing your social status.

Well when we've been self improving trying to get a woman for most of our lives without success yet everyone else seems to succeed with a fraction of the effort what are we meant to do? My self esteem is that of a grown man who is routinely lifemogged by young teens and my social status is that of someone who is consumed by his desperation for a woman. I don't see a way of fixing that without fixing that circumstance.

You got it backwards. People don't consider you creepy because women aren't interested in you. Women aren’t interested in you because you are creepy. Part of that is just the fact that male autism is almost always inherently off-putting to women, but you're not doing yourself any favors with the conduct you voluntarily engage in either.

calls women sluts
>says we should be forced into relationships because you can't get laid otherwise
>"it has nothing to do with my behavior, foids hate me for no reason"

By your own admission, you lost any friends you made because you spent all your time together whining about how your life sucks and begging them to help you "get a woman."

I barely even get a chance to interact with women, I can't get many matches online and all of my in person outings are just wastes of time and money. I don't see what I could be doing that would be off putting to women given that I generally try to be normal and blend in, at most I'm just quiet and alone. I don't see how my kiwi postings here have any relation to how women would perceive me, it's not like I say these things in front of a woman I'm going for. And yes I drove my friends away due to my desperation for a woman, but who else was I meant to ask when nobody else was able to help? I tried therapy, going to group events, and all kinds of things but nothing worked nor could I find any new information by that point, it was all just the same tired shit I heard dozens of times that had never worked for me.

 

[Potion_Time]

Well when we've been self improving trying to get a woman for most of our lives without success

What are you doing specifically to improve? Are you physically fit? Are you currently seeking or in an educational program? Are you involved in activities and social groups outside of home and work? I found that a lot of my problems were due to a lack of outside hobbies. I fixed that by becoming treasurer of my knights of columbus chapter.

 

[The_Cowcel]

What are you doing specifically to improve? Are you physically fit? Are you currently seeking or in an educational program? Are you involved in activities and social groups outside of home and work? I found that a lot of my problems were due to a lack of outside hobbies. I fixed that by becoming treasurer of my knights of columbus chapter.

Yes to all except outside social groups. I've tried numerous times but never ended up connecting with anyone and I just found it exhausting on top of everything else

 

[$5.3 Million Dollars]

And yes I drove my friends away due to my desperation for a woman, but who else was I meant to ask when nobody else was able to help? I tried therapy, going to group events, and all kinds of things but nothing worked nor could I find any new information by that point, it was all just the same tired shit I heard dozens of times that had never worked for me.

If you're so unstable that you are unable to make or maintain any relationships, not only romantic ones but friendly and familial as well, that may be a sign the issues stem from you and the way you're approaching all of your relationships. The only type of women you will attract are the ones similarly unstable if you get any bites at all because while people cannot tell your internal workings at a glance even a quick conversation can bring up red flags.

Its still hard for me to believe that incels exist when men with no prospects or looks like Ethan Ralph keeps getting baby mamas.

 

[JayseeDenton]

I barely even get a chance to interact with women, I can't get many matches online and all of my in person outings are just wastes of time and money. I don't see what I could be doing that would be off putting to women given that I generally try to be normal and blend in, at most I'm just quiet and alone. I don't see how my kiwi postings here have any relation to how women would perceive me, it's not like I say these things in front of a woman I'm going for. And yes I drove my friends away due to my desperation for a woman, but who else was I meant to ask when nobody else was able to help? I tried therapy, going to group events, and all kinds of things but nothing worked nor could I find any new information by that point, it was all just the same tired shit I heard dozens of times that had never worked for me.

Imagine all of the women on earth dissappeared never to return. What would you do with your life if that happenned? It doesn't have to be some grand philosophy just simple shit. What would you do to pass the time, how would you interact with people, how would you calm yourself, etc. If there were absolutely no women on earth and never would be, you're just here alone with a bunch of dudes and nobody to impress, no woman to "win over" no teens to compete with for it, no standards to match, none of that. Just you. What would you do then?

Whatever the answer to that question is, do that.

 

[Potion_Time]

Yes to all except outside social groups. I've tried numerous times but never ended up connecting with anyone and I just found it exhausting on top of everything else

Well there's your problem. You can't be anti social and expect a woman to jump on your dick. We're social creatures. Even if you're an introvert, you'll have to be more social in order to connect with others. If you know some of your habits or beliefs will turn people off to being friends with you, change those habits or don't express those beliefs. You have to change. You can't make other people change to fit into your world.

 

[Overwritten Tapes]

Most incels are high inhibition and expect everything we do to fail

"WE."

You have no room to talk shit about any other group mentioned. You are the bottom of the barrel and you should be put down. You can't even get pussy and talk shit about people who can. Holy fuck, just die.

 

[FieldPiece]

If this retard wanted to get his point across he could have just copied and pasted J.D. Unwins Sex And Culture. You'll probably convince more people that abandoning sexual morality is bad because it historically always precludes the death of that society. You know, a little better than "wah I can't fuck".

 

[ICantLegallySayThat]

Been there, done that, still every bit as desperate for a woman as I was before I lost my virginity, there is no satisfaction to be had for overpaying to artificially achieve a milestone other men are able to reach naturally nor does it provide lasting female affection.

Then stop valuing it to the point you measure yourself by validation. I agree the value of pussy is in the gutter, so why fixate so much? Let go brother.

 

[Penis Drager 2.0]

Yes to all except outside social groups. I've tried numerous times but never ended up connecting with anyone and I just found it exhausting on top of everything else

If you find even platonic interpersonal relationships "exhausting," why do you think a romantic relationship would be any different? Do you think there will be less expected of you?
Something tells me you're gonna absolutely hate having a girlfriend once the high from the first night together wears off.

 

[saturated trans fats]

incels dont exist

 

[WelperHelper99]

Yes to all except outside social groups. I've tried numerous times but never ended up connecting with anyone and I just found it exhausting on top of everything else

Maybe your issue is you are a chore to be around. My guy, no woman wants to have sex with an eternal grump.

 

[𝕺𝖑' 𝕯𝖎𝖗𝖙𝖞 𝕱𝖆𝖙𝖘𝖔]

Found a pic of OP

 

[Mamimi]

If you find even platonic interpersonal relationships "exhausting," why do you think a romantic relationship would be any different? Do you think there will be less expected of you?
Something tells me you're gonna absolutely hate having a girlfriend once the high from the first night together wears off.

A romantic relationship at its core is friendship. The rhetoric about "getting a woman" and claims to being willing to date anyone who'll give him the time of day indicates they think of a potential girlfriend as an accessory meant to serve his needs rather than a whole person with their own desires and motivations. I've seen guys with a similar mindset finally get a date and it's like watching the planes hit the Twin Towers at 0.025x speed because they attempt to mold the woman into what they want rather than trying to form a real connection. They eventually give up and just start punishing her for not being his first choice.

OP's profound depression is the most obvious red flag. "But if life is miserable and work is suffering then why even live?" A girlfriend can't fix that problem for him, nor should she try. He claims that he would think working, socializing, and partaking in hobbies would all be worth it if only he had a woman, but what happens when the new relationship energy dissipates and he no longer feels the same motivation to keep working his shitty job? Then he's in the same position except he's making someone else miserable and she's possibly doing the same thing to him, because guys this desperate can only attract similarly dysfunctional partners.

 

[WelperHelper99]

OP's profound depression is the most obvious red flag. "But if life is miserable and work is suffering then why even live?"

I feel he is coping with the work part. While working sucks, it also gives purpose. That is a man thing, and him not wanting to work at all is leaving him miserable as fuck.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Men without the ability to reproduce have no reason to contribute and every reason to burn down the world around us. doubly so when there isn't even the promise of being able to get a wife through war and conquest. Military recruitment and support for war would probably spike massively if they started promising war brides.

"I cannot have a child so no one should."

How are you this much of a retarded self centered asshole? You can't even look at your family and be happy they have had success passing down their genes? Fuck off. If you had a woman she would never be enough for you because you hate yourself that much. Get your act together and get an actual goal in life or stop whining.