DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

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The Wrap article also mentioned that Gunn has no plan the DCU. Gunn fucked up by picking niche characters nobody wants and he chose a character that was also coming off of a piece of shit show on CW. Say what you want about DCEU/SynderVerse, at least there was somewhat of a plan before they fucked up.
Almost nothing has been consistent with the Gunn DCU. Everything has changed, some projects look like they won't even be happening or like they'll be stuck in Development Limbo for good. It doesn't seem much better than the DCEU, and in some aspects it comes off as worse.
 
Assuming Gunn didn't have his hands forced by executive mandate, my assumption is he fell into the trap of thinking obscure characters can frontline a franchise by themselves instead of gradually supporting big names.

Superman honestly did the formula alright with the way it incorporated the justice gang. But everything else is way too soon. Guardians was successful because marvel movies were popular. It wasn't successful because people suddenly loved space movies with racoons.

The villain movies with clayface and such might workout but that's a big maybe. It feels kinda late after joker.
 
I don't really like Snyder's work outside of DC but the four movies he hade for DC are among my favorite comic book movies of all time and I like his cut of Justice League more than any of the Avengers movies.

Does that make sense to anyone else?
Watchmen is his best DC film by a long shot.

As I said before, his film and the Dark Knight trilogy made me a DC fan more than Marvel despite growing up with the Sam Rami Spider Man movies.

Jackie Earl Haley was pitch perfect as Rorschach and I can’t see anyone else in the role.

Also, Jeffrey Dean Morgan was also perfect as Comedian.
 
I don't really like Snyder's work outside of DC but the four movies he hade for DC are among my favorite comic book movies of all time and I like his cut of Justice League more than any of the Avengers movies.

Does that make sense to anyone else?
I think his movies were perhaps treated too harshly. He's a good visual director and seems to actually enjoy DC, but like most directors given too much free reign, he needs someone to give him a story treatment, and an editor to tell him that he's already used 10 minutes of slow-mo.

It's ironic that post-Endgame Marvel is much worse.
 
I don't really like Snyder's work outside of DC but the four movies he hade for DC are among my favorite comic book movies of all time and I like his cut of Justice League more than any of the Avengers movies.

Does that make sense to anyone else?
His DC work was different. They took themselves seriously. A bit too seriously. To the point where we can laugh at it. It's unintentional shlock unlike intentional shlock where it's fun.

His DC movies and outside of movies are the same. A puddle pretending it's a lake pretending it's an ocean. Visually they're nice. Stomping up and down in muddy puddles is fun. Can't do that in a lake or an ocean.
 
His DC work was different. They took themselves seriously. A bit too seriously. To the point where we can laugh at it. It's unintentional shlock unlike intentional shlock where it's fun.

His DC movies and outside of movies are the same. A puddle pretending it's a lake pretending it's an ocean. Visually they're nice. Stomping up and down in muddy puddles is fun. Can't do that in a lake or an ocean.


Isn't that what comic books are, epic looking pulp fiction?

It's when comic books are more than that that they suck.

I like that Snyder treats these stories as epics to be taken seriously even though they are about a man who dresses like a bat.

Epic stories that look good and treat the rediculous as common place are what got me into reading comics in the first place.

His movies capture more of what I felt reading comics for the first time as a kid than something like Thor Ragnorok or other films where the director treats the subject matter as a joke because they are smarter than the silly comics.
 
Does that make sense to anyone else?
No. Even if you liked Man of Steel and his cut of Justice League Batman v Superman is still fucking garbage. The biggest issue with the DCEU was the lack of forethought that went into making it and they essentially luck themselves into success due to capeshit being a trend but they just do not hold up well when looked into as a shared universe. I hate because of the dreary and melancholic theme of MoS we're stuck with "heckin chungus" dork Superman now because there was nothing inherently wrong with the portrayal as goofy as the execution in some areas it opened up room for some character development if WB didn't get cold feet over the reception. The Synder Cut is really fucking bloated and feels like what was going to be a two part movie before they fucked up everything, its better than Wheldon's abortion but its such a low hurdle. I get Synder's appeal and hate but I will never get why people like current Gunn he's the definition of a one-trick pony.
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
I think his movies were perhaps treated too harshly. He's a good visual director and seems to actually enjoy DC, but like most directors given too much free reign, he needs someone to give him a story treatment, and an editor to tell him that he's already used 10 minutes of slow-mo.

It's ironic that post-Endgame Marvel is much worse.

There’s a lot to like about Snyder. His idea of making a serious, and mature DC universe wasn’t actually bad, and it made complete sense as he took reigns after Nolan.

If he had kept the quality of Nolan, Marvel would had gotten very serious competition , but that wasn’t the case.

I just think he wasn’t the right person to be the architect of it all, or the main written for that matter. He would’ve excelled far more, If he had kept in his lane of visuals, as second in command, or even as part of a core DC leadership.
 
Snyder's dceu had an expiration date. Core concept was do epic stories, finish it off with a reset.

I would have loved to have seen his flashpoint movie.

That was one of the things I liked, that it felt like it was trying to tell one epic story instead of just churning out product until the end of time.

Also his cut of Justice League made me care about Cyborg of all people, so that is something.

"I'm real when it's useful" may be the most Batman line ever.
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
That was one of the things I liked, that it felt like it was trying to tell one epic story instead of just churning out product until the end of time.
Sure... Over time the franchise could be worth billions like the MCU, but then if a reset were to happen what would happen?

End of the day it's about $$$ once Snyder saga finishes who takes over? Who'd want to take over? Lose brand trust? His final movie would probably make 2b at the box office and then the needle drops.
 
The good news is that all this critical praise of Milly Ughrock is that it will probably get them to shoehorn her into Man of Tomorrow (or Superman 2, which they will inevitably re-title it). And normies can't stand her, so even more will stay away.

Also they've already done re-shoots of Clayface to tie it into The Batman continuity, away from the Gunniverse, so shit is happening behind the scenes.
 
It is pretty sad this will not be replicated due to the oversight these days, newer artists being wholly uninterested in it etc. I swear there must have been a "tone down the sex appeal" memo sent out to all of them sometime post 2000.
The recent Marvel Swimsuit Special (and its Winter Break sequel) followed the trend of toned-down sex appeal when they reluctantly released and made the self-aware and snarky special after the success of Marvel Rivals. They sure love focusing about the blights of AI and capitalism instead of giving the audience a pinup special.
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Gunn learned the art of filmmaking from Lloyd Kaufman, but his attempts to blend those edgy, Troma roots with family friendly entertainment often feels forced and repetitive.
 
We don't know if that is for sure. They could be reusing the sets and shooting pick ups for the batman 2 and also doing reshoots for clayface.

I mean it may not be, but it'd be pretty damn coincidental if it's not. Along with all the other evidence and shit going on, any other explanation seems unlikely and retarded.

But this is Hollywood, so I'm probably wrong.
 
they've already done re-shoots of Clayface to tie it into The Batman continuity, away from the Gunniverse, so shit is happening behind the scenes.
They could be reusing the sets and shooting pick ups for the batman 2 and also doing reshoots for clayface.
any other explanation seems unlikely and retarded.
I’m on team WB will make the Batman universe both part of the DCU and the focused on the setting instead of reboot from scratch again.
 
The recent Marvel Swimsuit Special (and its Winter Break sequel) followed the trend of toned-down sex appeal when they reluctantly released and made the self-aware and snarky special after the success of Marvel Rivals. They sure love focusing about the blights of AI and capitalism instead of giving the audience a pinup special.
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Gunn learned the art of filmmaking from Lloyd Kaufman, but his attempts to blend those edgy, Troma roots with family friendly entertainment often feels forced and repetitive.
Shut up Jen.
You've been pure cake from day one.
Just how I like it.
 
Not getting the Batfleck Arkham movie will always be a massive missed opportunity.
I have seen this in other movies (not just capeshit but others), which makes me wonder if this is all done by the directors because they are disgusted by "sex appeal" or because of some arbitrary nepotism? This happened as well with he female co-villains in the new superman movie as well, so this is a broad recurring issue.
It's feels like a weird thing to bring it up, but it does seem intentional, whether it is being done intentionally to avoid accusations of appealing to the "male gaze" or for some other hard to discern reason the women being cast in these roles are getting uglier. Maybe jokes about Harvey Weinstein functioning as some kind of quality control mechanism in Hollywood have a bizarre kernel of truth to them.

Imagine the 2007 Transformers but instead of Megan Fox as the female lead it's Elizabeth Moss, or Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade but instead of Alison Doody as the hot femme fatale it's Pheobe Waller-Bridge, oh wait that one actually happened. 🤮

The idea that uglier people are better actors seems fake to me, especially since in reality acting is a bit of a meme and like 70% of it is just looking the part and not being awkward on camera.
 
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