Cartoon Industry thread - Showcasing the Spergery of the Animation Industry

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C'mon. I get your underlying point, but don't be daft. If it's the easiest job in existence, then why is he homeless?
Probably because he isn't doing the job. 🙄 There are lots of jobs that are hard to get. But that doesn't mean those jobs are difficult to do.
I agree with you that if he took a flat rate, he's responsible for accepting the bum deal, but it's not a case where he could have chosen between a flat rate and proper royalties. His options were the flat rate, or nothing. No shit, he took the flat rate. How does that abscond the exploitative nature of the one offering such a disadvantageous deal to someone
Can you explain how is it "exploitative" to offer someone a job, with a fair hourly rate, and to have them complete that job, and be paid the hourly rate agreed? What is "disadvantageous" about that deal, which is the same deal as most every single job ever conceived anywhere in the world?
Voice acting is a lot harder than you might expect.
No it isn't.
Some of the stuff they brought up was things like multiple hour sessions of screaming or yelling to a point that some VAs had vocal cord injuries.
Multiple hours of work? Holy shit i stand corrected. It really is a hard job.

Forget that a hundred thousand people die on the job every year, and another hundred thousand are permanently disabled - these guys had a vocal cord injury one time.
Anyone who thinks doing VA well is "easy" is a Chrischan grade retard.

I volunteered to do VA
Good job immediately contradicting yourself. It's so easy people literally volunteer to do it for free.
 
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Frylock's VA is claiming homelessness. People are claiming that CN paid him a flat rate for every single ATHF episode/movie with no royalties.
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His gofundme's doing pretty well. It still sucks that this is happening to the guy who voiced Frylock.
 
Can you explain how is it "exploitative" to offer someone a job, with a fair hourly rate, and to have them complete that job, and be paid the hourly rate agreed?
If you have to be intellectually dishonest to facilitate your argument, then I'd be doing you a favor to presume you're operating in bad faith rather than a simpleton. In case you are dumb: The contention is that it's an unfair rate.

What is "disadvantageous" about that deal, which is the same deal as most every single job ever conceived anywhere in the world?
Oh, you are dumb.

I can play "smarmy dickhead question," too. Golly jee willikers! If something is NOT to your advantage, but instead actively against your advantage, then it's fair to say that it's disadvantageous, right chief? Shucks almighty! Would it not be considered to his disadvantage to forego the residuals which conventionally results from the entertainment industry repetitiously monetizing the work he performed, and instead take the far less desirable option of a single flat rate payout, bucko? Better yet: Which one would you take, champ?
 
Can someone here more knowledgeable than I help me w/something that’s been bothering me? Where on earth did Tim Heidecker come from, and how did he nab the keys to the kingdom of Adult Swim? It’s improbable to consider that Tim & Eric got their foot in the door with a non cartoon on a cartoon channel in the first place. Tim Goes to the Mayor didn’t seem like any kind of success to compare with ATHS and its peers. At the time I figured I was missing something because, life circumstances, I wasn’t watching a lot of tv at the time and wasn’t paying close attention. But in retrospect, I never meet people with fond memories of Tim &Eric or Tim Goes to the Mayor.

How did that guy get into a position to ruin adult swim so thoroughly and thusly? What’s the hot goss, @LiquidKid?
 
Can someone here more knowledgeable than I help me w/something that’s been bothering me? Where on earth did Tim Heidecker come from, and how did he nab the keys to the kingdom of Adult Swim? It’s improbable to consider that Tim & Eric got their foot in the door with a non cartoon on a cartoon channel in the first place. Tim Goes to the Mayor didn’t seem like any kind of success to compare with ATHS and its peers. At the time I figured I was missing something because, life circumstances, I wasn’t watching a lot of tv at the time and wasn’t paying close attention. But in retrospect, I never meet people with fond memories of Tim &Eric or Tim Goes to the Mayor.

How did that guy get into a position to ruin adult swim so thoroughly and thusly? What’s the hot goss, @LiquidKid?
His last name should tell you all you need to know
 
Why are box office YouTubers like Bitter cornus bad at basic math? I swear. Midnight Edge and The Quartering have negatively impacted some YouTubers' ability to perform basic mathematical tasks. They also ignore merchandise. Disney Star Wars failed for not pushing merchandise. Mario movies , the amazing digital circus and Minecraft movie are famous for pushing merchandise.
 
His last name should tell you all you need to know
Not really, it’s a German or Swiss surname and he’s from Allentown Pennsylvania. Moreover he went to catholic school.
He played shitty indie music in Philadelphia with all the shitty hipsters in the 2000s. There’s no reason this literal who should have any influence at all.
 
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A small reminder that Hollywood will probably learn the wrong lessons from Disney's Star Wars and Jared Leto He-Man losing to the Backrooms movie and The Amazing Digital Circus at the box office by continuing to hire Jared Leto for big, box-office-budgeted movies.
 
Speaking into a microphone for a few hours doesn't guarantee an income for life.
why not? Warner feels very entitled to milk their copyright over cartoons from a hundred years ago. Record labels will sure as shit copyright strike you if you use a song recorded before you were even born. Is like everyone is entitled to forever royalties except the people actually making the thing.
 
Can someone here more knowledgeable than I help me w/something that’s been bothering me? Where on earth did Tim Heidecker come from, and how did he nab the keys to the kingdom of Adult Swim? It’s improbable to consider that Tim & Eric got their foot in the door with a non cartoon on a cartoon channel in the first place. Tim Goes to the Mayor didn’t seem like any kind of success to compare with ATHS and its peers. At the time I figured I was missing something because, life circumstances, I wasn’t watching a lot of tv at the time and wasn’t paying close attention. But in retrospect, I never meet people with fond memories of Tim &Eric or Tim Goes to the Mayor.

How did that guy get into a position to ruin adult swim so thoroughly and thusly? What’s the hot goss, @LiquidKid?
It’s not as sinister as you think. Mike Lazzo was in total control of adult swim for a long time, and Tim Heidecker glazed the ever living fuck out of him. Tim also embodied everything Lazzo wanted for adult swim: adult comedy done dirt cheap. Doe the first decade of existence, an adult swim show could spend less on a whole season than the average cartoon spent on a single episode, that’s how they were able to make so many shows so quickly. And if you look, a lot of the same people were making them. Tim Heidecker, Brendon Small, Dave Willis, Mike Maiellaroc these four men either made every show on the channel or were heavily involved as actors and writers. Every show has their finger prints all over them, people just focused heavier on Tim because he put himself more front and center and stuck around the longest.

In my opinion, I feel like Jackson Publick and Doc Hammer were the true most powerful creditors in the early days. Tim got a lot of shows made, but Venture Bros had an extreme level of control over how it was written and unlike any of Tim’s shows, it actually had a massive budget.but even then, if you look at the cast, a lot of the adult swim regulars appeared all over it.

Things really changed on adult swim once Lazzo left

Greg Baldwin just said something about what Paramount is doing to the Avatar: The Last Airbender.
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Why do these people think everything is fascism? Ironically the fire nation is not a fascist country, they’re just an imperial monarchy. I get that it’s a trendy buzzword, but they have to stop automatically assuming all evil is fascism.


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A small reminder that Hollywood will probably learn the wrong lessons from Disney's Star Wars and Jared Leto He-Man losing to the Backrooms movie and The Amazing Digital Circus at the box office by continuing to hire Jared Leto for big, box-office-budgeted movies.
Worse, they’ll fast greenlight a bunch of youtuber slop.
 
Faggot logic deliberately ignoring the intent of both categories.

Bee romance in cartoon is played for laughs, gay romance in cartoons is corporate pandering and propaganda.


Things really changed on adult swim once Lazzo left

There was a period predating the streaming era in which the "old guard" showrunners of Heidecker, Small, and the like were on social media responding to questions by letting everyone know that Adult Swim was no longer interested in hearing pitches from them.

I remember naively hoping that it spelled the end of Heidecker feeling rewarded for spending all day on Twitter calling people nazis or trying to get funnier people cancelled for the thought crimes he felt were perpetrated in the old standup and sketch clips that were appearing in his feed of recreational anger presented as sanctimony. Given how silly all his roles up to that point had been, I was surprised to learn that his actual personality was "seething crybully who conflates denouncing things on a profile page with activism." He settled right into that Hollywood lifestyle like a dick in the ass.
 
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Get a job.

Speaking into a microphone for a few hours doesn't guarantee an income for life.

Yeah, voice acting is basically just a regular job. You get paid hourly and generally dont own your own work. It's not like regular acting where you can get popular and demand royalties and the like. It's not like ATHF was a huge blockbuster thing where it would support you forever. Voice actors are all extremely replaceable. Voice actors aren't a huge draw like screen actors are and get paid accordingly. You can make a decent living if you're good but it does require actually continuing to work.
 
I was surprised to learn that his actual personality was "seething crybully who conflates denouncing things on a profile page with activism." He settled right into that Hollywood lifestyle like a dick in the ass.
I never met Tim Heidecker, but those I’ve spoken to who have didn’t give good impressions.

Yeah, voice acting is basically just a regular job. You get paid hourly and generally dont own your own work. It's not like regular acting where you can get popular and demand royalties and the like. It's not like ATHF was a huge blockbuster thing where it would support you forever. Voice actors are all extremely replaceable. Voice actors aren't a huge draw like screen actors are and get paid accordingly. You can make a decent living if you're good but it does require actually continuing to work.
This is something a lot of cartoon fans don’t understand. The most successful of voice actors barely make anything and still have to go to conventions to sign autographs for money or teach voice over classes. But even then, his problem was that he never tried branching out to other roles. You can absolutely make good money narrating commercials or automated phone lines, he did none of that and tried coasting off of an adult swim show, which notoriously pay close to nothing
 
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