UK British News Megathread - aka CWCissey's news thread

Smyrna · 11 Lis 2025

I don't believe that the leader of the Labour party (or the Tories, for that matter) has the right to unilaterally suspend any other member of the party, although the Saddam memes this evening are worth a chortle.

If Badenoch has any sense, her first question tomorrow will be along the lines of 'If the Prime Minister truly believes that the Health Secretary is plotting to remove him, why hasn't he been removed from his post?'

Made In Wales · 11 Lis 2025

Tom Nook's Gloryhole powiedział(a):
I mean at this point surely Starmer knows he's got nothing to lose. If an election is called today then Labour are getting destroyed so Streeting knows that he's getting destroyed whether he stands as independant OR Labour.

I also doubt any independent would risk their chances until they see how Streeting does as an independent. If he gets massacred and Greens/Reform thrash him then he's marooned politically as there's no way back into politics as an MP.

Furiously burning Streeting so he's completely destroyed would see the entire Labour backbench scared stiff into doing whatever the fuck Starmer wants to do.

Certainly a lot of food for thought - I agree that Starmer has nothing to lose, just depends how much of a total megalomaniac he is going forward.

Some late news:

* ‘Baffling hypocrisy!’ Green deputy leader OPPOSES housing migrants in leafy £500k local area after declaring ‘refugees welcome here’

* Andrew to change his name AGAIN after late Queen's request (He'll now be 'Mountbatten-Windsor')

* 'It’s a cult’: Top economist slams net zero madness as UK pays price for 'green obsession'

* Hounded BBC writer claims younger reporters ‘gatekeep’ on trans stories and gender-critical coverage 'censored'

* WATCH: David Lammy handed brutal dressing down by Speaker over 'foolish' rule break

* Britain is turning a blind eye to Islamists committing genocide. Why? Jews are not involved - Stuart Fawcett

Camo Fox · 11 Lis 2025

Tom Nook's Gloryhole powiedział(a):
Furiously burning Streeting so he's completely destroyed would see the entire Labour backbench scared stiff into doing whatever the fuck Starmer wants to do.

The issue is the party is now left with literal whos already after the past few months. Starmer has lost pretty much everyone besides Lammy atp. The night of the long knives-esc act we saw with the winter fuel allowance issue worked back then, but dwindling numbers of MPs with experience leads to not much left to play with. I imagine by the end of Starmer's term we are going to see a front bench entirely made up of mid-level ministers. I don't see him calling a leadership election, let alone a GE at all during his term as he's generally very headstrong in his methods despite his weak character so I imagine it'll devolve into basically a local council-esc group of talent running the country.

Made In Wales · 11 Lis 2025

Camo Fox powiedział(a):
The issue is the party is now left with literal whos already after the past few months. Starmer has lost pretty much everyone besides Lammy atp. The night of the long knives-esc act we saw with the winter fuel allowance issue worked back then, but dwindling numbers of MPs with experience leads to not much left to play with. I imagine by the end of Starmer's term we are going to see a front bench entirely made up of mid-level ministers. I don't see him calling a leadership election, let alone a GE at all during his term as he's generally very headstrong in his methods despite his weak character so I imagine it'll devolve into basically a local council-esc group of talent running the country.

I'm not so sure, though I accept your POV.

Reasons why Starmer might go for an early GE:

* He is a narcissistic person who, if he cannot win, will make sure that others who oppose him also can't win - even if that means going to the Palace (there are rumours that he's twice threatened his MP's with doing this but McSweeney managed to talk him out of going).

* Burnham is going to be a fly in the ointment - he's potentially an improvement on Starmer and has the support of a growing amount of MP's. Though Starmer can say no to him and make it impossible for him to become a PPC, he does so at the risk of losing the support of backbenchers who want Starmer out and for Burnham to become PM or to at least have some influence in the party.

* Though he wants to be PM into his 70s, barely a day goes by without some sort of cock-up in the party, and this is tarnishing his reputation and standing. He wants to be equal to Blair - Blair at least had a Government which was able to function and not fall apart within a year, Starmer doesn't have that luxury. At the point when it gets too much for him, I would expect him to go to the Palace as he will counter any leadership election (which he'd lose) with the threat of an early GE.

* Going early for a GE might even be advantageous - it could catch Reform UK and the Libs/Greens cold and unless the latter two can form a coalition or reach an agreement where one of them stands aside in a constituency (in order to stop Nigel, possibly reaching out to the SNP and Plaid to support this as well) then they will split the left's vote. Should Farage become PM, he'll inherit a myriad of problems and maybe Starmer will think 'well they'll fall apart with in a few years and then Labour will have been forgiven, we can then go hardcore with the EU, Digital ID etc.'

A risky decision as Reform UK have already implied that the rules book will be ripped up on day one. In any case, when Starmer is no longer PM he'll still make money on the lecture tours/speaking circuits - it's no longer his problem.

Where Starmer will have no say about when a GE is called:

* Enough defections from Labour to Independents/other parties mean that Labour become a minority Government. Unless another party agrees to govern as a coalition (Lib Dems would if Starmer resigned - oops not happening) then they cannot continue and a GE would be called.

* The Budget does not pass through Parliament and triggers a VONC in the Government.

Don't forget that there were mass resignations under Corbyn's tenure and it's possible that this could happen again if Starmer is unable to control his MP's and get them to fall in line.

* External pressures/factors - the need to reset links between UK and USA, for instance, in case of an attack from Russia or other 'hostile nations'. If Starmer is seen as a liability by the Civil Service and also by MI5, MI6 and we risk a 'June 1974' moment when a coup against Harold Wilson took place, he might then go just to avoid further risk or embarassment (or the King might have to finally intervene).

If Starmer feels that he faces this, then prorogation of Parliament could be an option - remember that after November 26 there's not too much business left for Parliament to discuss (apart from Oral Questions on Business, Defence and Justice alongside PMQ's) with the house rising on December 19) therefore whilst some business and important questions will have to be delayed, it wouldn't be too problematic if Starmer/McSweeney could convince people that Parliament 'finishing early' would be beneficial and no doubt the BBC and Guardian would run cover claiming that due to a/b/c it is absolutely neccessary - a far cry from August 2019, 'but it's okay when we do it'.

Duane Dibbley · 11 Lis 2025

Made In Wales powiedział(a):
Though he wants to be PM into his 70s, barely a day goes by without some sort of cock-up in the party, and this is tarnishing his reputation and standing

Tarnishing his reputation in the eyes of whom?
Who views the 'cock-ups' as cock-ups?

Made In Wales · 11 Lis 2025

Duane Dibbley powiedział(a):
Tarnishing his reputation in the eyes of whom?
Who views the 'cock-ups' as cock-ups?

In the eyes of anybody with half a brain-cell.

Even the normally left-centric Wikipedia is stating just how bad a job he is doing, plus even the most left of Polling companies has him way down in terms of popularity and overall general confidence of the population.

When even the BBC and Guardian are asking questions that Starmer would prefer they didn't ask, then I think even they are viewing recent events as cock-ups and the more that take place the harder it'll be to silence the dissenters.

It reminds me of the story of 'The Emperor's New Clothes'... we can all see that the Emperor is naked and all the fake news and distracts aren't working. The rejection en masse of the 'established line' by Left and Right is something which the establishment has not had to face in the past and I doubt they know how to influence the sheeple back into the slumber pens.

If you want a Labour member to cock up really badly, just ask one of them 'when will this nightmare end?' and if he/she/it can only come out with 'umm err aah' then you know that they have no plan and the Labour member will know you aren't buying their nonsense.

Don't think that it's just us 'Farmers on 'the Right' who oppose Starmer, there are many non-Farmers and Lefties from Communists and Socialists to Democrats and Borderline Centrists who oppose him and want Labour gone from power asap.

Pat Mustard · 11 Lis 2025

Made In Wales powiedział(a):
Burnham is going to be a fly in the ointment - he's potentially an improvement on Starmer and has the support of a growing amount of MP's.

Burnham is basically a party leader in waiting, I don't think he'd be a big improvement on starmer but he could be what labour needs to claw back some votes from the greens, he actually has a personality that would resonate with a lot more people than red john major.

there has been comparisons of Polanski with Mamdani but the more apt comparison is with Harris, he's appearing on establishment shows and spouting catchphrases popular on tiktok but that doesn't really translate into more votes just makes the guardian lot clap like seals because he said a meme popular with gays, he's trying to do brat summer a year late and after it was already shown to be ineffective. Not a fan of mamdani but his style of politics is very attractive to those in big cities it's easy to see why he won, it works at a mayoral level but I don't see it leading to a potential government role polanski is hoping for.

I don't think starmer will call a ge in the next year or 2, he did get a massive majority and while he's tanking in the polls at the moment he can claim to have a huge mandate to scrape out at least another year. When he came in he had the image of a pm who would make hard but necessary sacrifices and just over a year on he just keeps digging a deeper and deeper hole for no reason to impress his human rights lawyer friends. He's in an unenviable position (not like its undeserved), half his party want him gone but he can't do that without a ge that would see reform win.

Made In Wales powiedział(a):
If Starmer is seen as a liability by the Civil Service and also by MI5, MI6 and we risk a 'June 1974' moment when a coup against Harold Wilson took place, he might then go just to avoid further risk or embarassment (or the King might have to finally intervene).

optimistic lol, the army is too cucked now to do anything of note they took control of fucking heathrow to scare wilson, starmer is a retard but I don't think he's that much of a liability that they'd actually do anything

Tony Martin's Force Ghost · 11 Lis 2025

I think either mass resignations or VONC after the budget. I do not think Reeves' budget will pass personally because she emboldened her backbench.

The problem with Starmer is not that he will not call a GE in 2 years, but he will be forced to. Every single external machination is currently in play against him, along with all political machinations. He is a king on a chessboard against a fully stocked opponent. At this point, we are avoiding the inevitable.

Pat Mustard · 11 Lis 2025

Kier Starmer powiedział(a):
I do not think Reeves' budget will pass personally because she emboldened her backbench.

not too informed on the specifics of the budget but from a purely politiking point of view labour need to at least project the appearance of unity, the 2 child benefits cap got passed even though I would imagine most labour mps would be against it lol

Kier Starmer powiedział(a):
The problem with Starmer is not that he will not call a GE in 2 years, but he will be forced to.

while most of his party do hate him I think they'd prefer he drag the country to hell before they let reform win, I think they'll either drag it out till the next election despite the consequences for the party overall or they'll wait for farage or another reform mp to fuck up and call a ge when they go down in the polls

Heinrich Maneuver · 11 Lis 2025

Pat Mustard powiedział(a):
while most of his party do hate him I think they'd prefer he drag the country to hell before they let reform win

i can see them trying to save their own skins by calling a GE- staying with Starmer in power will make any Labour member un-electable in the future and forever taint them imho. The best plan is to call a GE, even if they lose, and get Burnham/another in power to try save what is left of Labour. All politicians are self serving in the end, Reform or no Reform, and no one wants to go down with Keir when this budget-torpedo hits.

Duane Dibbley · 11 Lis 2025

Made In Wales powiedział(a):
In the eyes of anybody with half a brain-cell.

Made In Wales powiedział(a):
Don't think that it's just us 'Farmers on 'the Right' who oppose Starmer, there are many non-Farmers and Lefties from Communists and Socialists to Democrats and Borderline Centrists who oppose him and want Labour gone from power asap.

I'm playing devils advocate because I don't believe, in the eyes of those in power, that they're doing anything wrong.
What, at any point in their career, makes you believe that they give a flying rats arse about what the people, party or opposition think? Starmer is Stalin without the purges, exiles and gulags.

Kier Starmer powiedział(a):
I think either mass resignations or VONC after the budget. I do not think Reeves' budget will pass personally because she emboldened her backbench.

It will pass because they're KPI driven monsters that care only about self preservation.

Pat Mustard powiedział(a):
while most of his party do hate him I think they'd prefer he drag the country to hell before they let reform win

Exactly this. The MPs won't sack themselves. The more popular that Reform get, the more defence the MPs have to make create crazy policies because "you don't want fascists get into power do you?!".

Sadiq Khan has more chance of getting into power than Burnham, or sheboona mahmood.

Pat Mustard · 11 Lis 2025

Heinrich Maneuver powiedział(a):
The best plan is to call a GE, even if they lose, and get Burnham/another in power to try save what is left of Labour.

I think at this moment in time staying in power is more important than improving the parties image, if it comes down to it I can see starmer removing the whip from rebel mps to make an example, they'll have a lot of time to worry about their approval among the general public when they get decimated by reform lol.

Duane Dibbley powiedział(a):
Sadiq Khan has more chance of getting into power than Burnham, or sheboona mahmood.

khan has a comfortable job where he's basically guaranteed to keep getting elected until labour get sick of him, he won't run for leader because he has no real need to he's in charge of one of the most important cities in the world and I don't think he would give that up to potentially lose and be out of a job

teriyakiburns · 11 Lis 2025

Duane Dibbley powiedział(a):
Where's that Clive Warren Davies poster?

You mean @Chunky Salsa, the Warrick Davies appreciator? I understand he's been caught short.

Pat Mustard powiedział(a):
Burnham is basically a party leader in waiting

Maybe so, but the only way he gets to be leader is if he's an elected MP. Now, I suspect a seat may be opening shortly in Ashton, so he could slip in that way with a by-election, but current polling places it firmly in reform's camp. He'd have to run a hell of a campaign there. I suppose he could run on "I'm not Angela Rayner" and do fairly well. It'd be a bit of a step down from his current position, though.

Pat Mustard · 11 Lis 2025

teriyakiburns powiedział(a):
It'd be a bit of a step down from his current position, though.

I think he, like khan, likes his current position but I can see Burnham actually going for it, the only problem would be doing it in a way that doesn't look like he's trying to coup starmer

Duane Dibbley · 11 Lis 2025

Pat Mustard powiedział(a):
khan has a comfortable job where he's basically guaranteed to keep getting elected until labour get sick of him, he won't run for leader because he has no real need to he's in charge of one of the most important cities in the world and I don't think he would give that up to potentially lose and be out of a job

I don't he can run again can he? Isn't that how bojo got to be london mayor because the other fella - bald head wrinkly face, name escapes me, couldn't run again?
Khan is an egotistical maniac and the 'cure to reform' if the lefties are to be believed.

teriyakiburns powiedział(a):
You mean @Chunky Salsa, the Warrick Davies appreciator? I understand he's been caught short.

That's the little fella. Caught short? Turn of phrase or is he banned?

Pat Mustard · 11 Lis 2025

Duane Dibbley powiedział(a):
I don't he can run again can he?

not familiar with mayoral term limits I assumed it was just like being pm if you keep getting elected you can stay

Duane Dibbley powiedział(a):
Khan is an egotistical maniac and the 'cure to reform' if the lefties are to be believed.

I think polanski more accurately fits that label, khan isn't even that popular among average londoners, he just keeps getting in because he's labour

Duane Dibbley · 11 Lis 2025

Pat Mustard powiedział(a):
not familiar with mayoral term limits I assumed it was just like being pm if you keep getting elected you can stay

I thought there were term limits on PM as well? Hence Blair, Cameron and Thatcher bouncing? All three were tories, if that counts for anything.

Pat Mustard powiedział(a):
I think polanski more accurately fits that label, khan isn't even that popular among white londoners, he just keeps getting in because he's a paki

FTFY

Scale Smerch · 11 Lis 2025

Made In Wales powiedział(a):
If Starmer feels that he faces this, then prorogation of Parliament could be an option - remember that after November 26 there's not too much business left for Parliament to discuss (apart from Oral Questions on Business, Defence and Justice alongside PMQ's) with the house rising on December 19) therefore whilst some business and important questions will have to be delayed, it wouldn't be too problematic if Starmer/McSweeney could convince people that Parliament 'finishing early' would be beneficial and no doubt the BBC and Guardian would run cover claiming that due to a/b/c it is absolutely neccessary - a far cry from August 2019, 'but it's okay when we do it'.

Only issue that proroguing guarantees a speech from the throne upon Parliament resuming and that itself is also a confidence vote. There will be enough punditry discussion swirling on exactly why Starmer is doing it (no matter BBC's and Guardian's water carrying) that it arguably makes that possible vote riskier for him.

Pat Mustard · 11 Lis 2025

Duane Dibbley powiedział(a):
I thought there were term limits on PM as well? Hence Blair, Cameron and Thatcher bouncing? All three were tories, if that counts for anything.

not in the uk, blair and thatcher resigned because they could see the writing on the wall and knew they couldn't win the next election and cameron left because he was a remainer who only called the brexit referendum because he promised it as a part of his campaign in 2015

Scale Smerch powiedział(a):
(no matter BBC's and Guardian's water carrying)

recently they've been more critical of labour since they've moved (nominally) more centre on issues like migration and benefits, the guardian anyway the BBC is literally a government mouthpiece but they're not too kind to lame duck candidates, the coverage of sunak last election wasn't exactly teaming with praise

Hoi Polloi · 11 Lis 2025

Pat Mustard powiedział(a):
there has been comparisons of Polanski with Mamdani but the more apt comparison is with Harris, he's appearing on establishment shows and spouting catchphrases popular on tiktok

I agree here, I cannot stomach Zach Polanski in the slightest. That video of him listing various flavours of Not British people as if they're literal flavours in the literal melting pot of Birmingham (Fresh Indians anyone?) should've been a bullet in the head for his campaign. It's as retarded as it is creepy.

That gaffe aside, I cannot fathom how anyone can take him seriously knowing his history of magical breast-growing hypnotherapy. He and anyone fond of him can claim it's in the past until the end of time but it won't stop it being an enormous indictment of his credulity and intelligence. If he'll believe that shite he'll believe any pseudoscientific garbage he's peddled. "He doesn't believe that any more" does not resolve the enormous quandary of him having ever believed it at all.

Not to mention the fact that the Green's anti-nuclear stance is deeply anti-intellectual. You can't take snipes at people being anti-mask, anti-vax, climate-skeptic (i.e. "settled science") when you yourself are scaremongering about nuclear power or acting with childlike naïvety about nuclear disarmament. I cannot fucking stand the Green party.

Final potshot, he's a dysgenic rat-faced weirdo.

Edit: derailed myself by seething. Mamdani was at least extremely consistent about meaningful policy, cost of living, etc. He wasn't doing slam poetry bites about how yummy Somalians are. Polanski thinks he's Bernie but he's far closer to Hillary.

UK British News Megathread - aka CWCissey's news thread

Smyrna

Made In Wales

Camo Fox

Grimoire Weiss Cook Book

Made In Wales

Duane Dibbley

Made In Wales

Pat Mustard

Hairy baby maker

Tony Martin's Force Ghost

I killed a gypo!

Pat Mustard

Hairy baby maker

Heinrich Maneuver

it's just you, me and this wire

Duane Dibbley

Pat Mustard

Hairy baby maker

teriyakiburns

Why'd the guy give a name to his penis?

Pat Mustard

Hairy baby maker

Duane Dibbley

Pat Mustard

Hairy baby maker

Duane Dibbley

Scale Smerch

It's all about the cookies

Pat Mustard

Hairy baby maker

Hoi Polloi

volcanic bird enemy and the voiced concern