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- 21 Mar 2019
Small bugs are actually super important on a macro-scale and supposedly we've been witnessing mass die-offs of global insect populations.
Animal Conservation - Why I’m honestly ok with some animals going extinct.
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- 20 Cze 2019
Many species are keystone species in certain ecosystems.
If you think things are bad on land, the ocean is going to hell in a handbasket.
Life finds a way, but it needs time. What we're seeing is an unprecedented skyrocket in the number of species going extinct on a regular basis. Natural change can usually be kept pace with, but the way humans have impacted the global ecosystem is a huge problem.
Also, agricultural companies should look for alternative pesticides that aren't toxic to pollinators. That's the more profitable choice than to face the consequences of their absence.
If you think things are bad on land, the ocean is going to hell in a handbasket.
Life finds a way, but it needs time. What we're seeing is an unprecedented skyrocket in the number of species going extinct on a regular basis. Natural change can usually be kept pace with, but the way humans have impacted the global ecosystem is a huge problem.
Also, agricultural companies should look for alternative pesticides that aren't toxic to pollinators. That's the more profitable choice than to face the consequences of their absence.
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- 31 Sty 2018
Indoctrination begins early in school that any species that goes extinct could be the one that tips things over the edge and destroys all life on Earth despite this not being born out at all in the fossil record. There's also the unspoken but nonsensical implicit conclusion that any extinction we can observe is somehow an "unnatural" one.
Species should be protected form extinction because they're useful to us, or because we just find them pleasing. But it's an inherently self centered endeavour and being stewards of the planet (who are also killing it somehow) is complete bullshit.
Species should be protected form extinction because they're useful to us, or because we just find them pleasing. But it's an inherently self centered endeavour and being stewards of the planet (who are also killing it somehow) is complete bullshit.
Are we? The fossil record has terrible temporal resolution and misses the vast majority of all organisms that have existed almost by definition. Modern observation doesn't have that problem. Would not one expect to see more species going extinct now than at any point in the fossil record? Like, astronomically more?
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- 12 Lis 2018
In my experience the most ardent hardworking conservationists are not tree hugging hippy types, but farmers and hunters who want to preserve heritage breed/natural game and protect the ecosystems from where they derive part of their living or enjoyment from.
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- 31 Sty 2018
Can't hunt if there's no deer. Can't have lumber if there's no trees. Can't eat delicious fish if the fish are all dead. They have a personal stake in it beyond being moral busy bodies and virtue signalling.
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- 7 Maj 2019
It's like anything else in life. If you have some stake in what you're doing, you probably care about it an awful lot more than a trust fund kid with some colorful signs and a camera crew. Fun bonus: you're probably also far too busy actually being useful to waste time showing the world just how gosh-darn wonderful you are protecting the thing you're invested into, which exacerbates the rot caused by said idiot rich kid's agenda. Good times all around.
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- 16 Cze 2016
I think we should conserve species in which are significant to our survival (bees for example) and also ones that are dying due to humans. Yes climate change is natural, but that doesn’t mean enough of it couldn’t be detrimental to us. We shouldn’t stop the world from progressing naturally but we shouldn’t allow ourselves to speed it up either, because thats unnatural. The world can adapt in amazing ways, but it also needs to be given a chance to do so IMO.
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- 28 Kwi 2018
I feel the same especially on the whole conservation of essential species, but species like the Panda can die out.
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- 31 Sty 2018
If it's to our benefit to alter our environment, why shouldn't we? "Natural" "Unnatural", these are meaningless terms.
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- 16 Cze 2016
I agree I could have worded it better. I am not saying we cannot alter our environment, but if we do we need to do it carefully in which it doesn’t mess up the balance of ecosystems among other things. Naturally a species will slowly die out and its niche will be replaced. However, doing so in a rapid rate makes it much for difficult for the environment to adapt, possibly causing the preventable downfall of other species of both plants and animals.
If its beneficial on all sides, meaning it doesn’t fuck up the planet or fuck up ecosystems, then yeah I am all for it.
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- 31 Sty 2018
Nothing is. There's always going to be a loser when something changes.
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- 23 Wrz 2016
Why in the fuck do you spergs have such a hate boner for pandas? Their wild population is increasing. The captive population is fine and the damage to their genetic diveristy is slowly being mitigated. The areas set aside for panda conservation are pretty much China's only national parks, are one of the few areas that aren't toxic trash piles in the country, and have helped tons of other species. For fucks sake, they just got reclassified as vulnerable like 2 years ago! Everything that conservationists promised would happend has happend, pretty much at the rate they said it would. We're getting what we were promised, and that is consistent with the majority of efforts.
If you want to bitch about money being wasted on stupid animals with no results, you should turn your eyes to the multide of social programs that have been absolute failures and produced 4-going-on-5 generations who are in chronic poverty, barely literate, on government assistance with some sort of drug addiction, not conservation and ecological recovery efforts.
If you want to bitch about money being wasted on stupid animals with no results, you should turn your eyes to the multide of social programs that have been absolute failures and produced 4-going-on-5 generations who are in chronic poverty, barely literate, on government assistance with some sort of drug addiction, not conservation and ecological recovery efforts.
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- 21 Mar 2019
I think we should have more trees, because I come from the urban desert hellscape of the Phoenix Metropolitan area.
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- 31 Sty 2018
I complain about both.
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- 14 Mar 2014
most environmentalism should be tossed in the garbage though.
stuff like the water protectors protesting an oil pipeline is good, because it's dealing with real things. there are a lot of environmental causes that we can fight here and now and could win, that are undeniably worthwhile causes to fight, but the environmental cause which has mainstream support is purely intended to impose austerity on the poor, and seeks to justify present society as permanent, unchangeable, and part of a natural order.
stuff like the water protectors protesting an oil pipeline is good, because it's dealing with real things. there are a lot of environmental causes that we can fight here and now and could win, that are undeniably worthwhile causes to fight, but the environmental cause which has mainstream support is purely intended to impose austerity on the poor, and seeks to justify present society as permanent, unchangeable, and part of a natural order.
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Because of a reddit shit post about pandas won’t fuck in captivity. Even people I respect do it. The truth is that many animals in captivity either lack the specific conditions to mate or are stressed out in some kind of way that prevents it. Human screw all the time but animals are only in heat a few days out of the year. Any random event, change or being under the weather that particular week for the critter involved might be enough to mean that there will be no babies that year.
A charismatic species that everyone loves that had a bitch of a time breeding in captivity at one point was the cheetah. Until someone figured out the idiosyncrasies.
Animals and all the critters small and big, ugly or beautiful, are one of the things that make life worth living.
That should be enough reason to conserve them.
I want to pet tame tigers and lions and fly hawks. Anyone whose had the pleasure of scratching an adult cheetah behind the ears, or bottle fed a baby rhino automatically wants to see these things live and thrive.
Fuck PETA and HSUS for acting like human beings are some kind of radioactive alien species. It’s because of their myths and lies about the “wild” that people have taken to shitting on zoos and acting as if there’s some magical Disney land of nature where animals live poaching and deforestation free.
Conservation also doesn’t just have to be about animals. It can be about places. I have no desire to see the Grand Canyon become prime real estate.
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- 31 Sty 2018
It recently occurred to me that all the arguments against invasive species are usually arguments made in favor of free trade when you switch the context from ecology to economics.
I don't know what the significance of this is, if there is any at all. It just struck me as odd.
I don't know what the significance of this is, if there is any at all. It just struck me as odd.