Animal Breeding Horror Show - Featuring trendy bulldogs, exotic bullies and the dog cum cartel

[Crex Crex]

It wouldn't surprise me if those things turn out to be neurotic footballs full of rage, physically incapable of doing any damage but constantly in a state of unquenchable bloodlust.

I have no snout, and I must bite.

 

[donksmanSupreme42]

*looks at fat bastard on sofa next to me* mayyyybe

even a fat cat can do surprising feats of athleticism

its just they only have the stamina for one jump

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i can count the number of pitbull owners that can handle that kind of dog on one hand and still have 4 fingers left (the pitbull in this comment bit off my hypothetical thumb)

 

[Scream Tail]

All fighting dog breeds should be purged from the earth along with the psychos and retards that breed them and unleash them on the public.

Total Fighting Dog Death.

 

[donksmanSupreme42]

All fighting dog breeds should be purged from the earth along with the psychos and retards that breed them and unleash them on the public.

Total Fighting Dog Death.

u can breed the fight out of em given enough time and effort

look at bulldogs, in the 19th century they were just as bad as modern-day pitbulls, nowadays they are lazy couch potatoes

 

[neverendingmidi]

Breed matters a lot more in most cases and it's the same reason it's a bad idea to for example keep small pets if you have a high prey drive dog.

This is why while I love the look of borzois I'm leery about getting one, and definitely about getting an adult, because I have shelties. Including one that's very small. The last thing I'd want to happen is for my smallest sheltie to get the zoomies and a sighthound get the "CHASE THE BUNNY!" instinct kicked in and a tragedy happens.

 

[Scream Tail]

u can breed the fight out of em given enough time and effort

Why would you waste all that time, effort, money and increased victim count when there's hundreds of other dog breeds who won't maul Grandma? Those things aren't even cute.

 

[donksmanSupreme42]

Why would you waste all that time, effort, money and increased victim count when there's hundreds of other dog breeds who won't maul Grandma? Those things aren't even cute.

to solve the problem without killing a dog

 

[Litānusotilas]

to solve the problem without killing a dog

You can remove an entire population without killing anybody via mass sterilization, and within a generation the undesirables will be gone. It works on animals too I hear.

 

[donksmanSupreme42]

You can remove an entire population without killing anybody via mass sterilization, and within a generation the undesirables will be gone. It works on animals too I hear.

yeah, but i still think pitbulls can be redeemed, bulldogs got the violence bred out of em, so pits can probably be saved as well

 

[BunchofMunch]

Poodles (and by extension, doodles) and other similar breeds are known to bite people, but not because they've been poorly socialized or are trainable to bite on command.

I'm sorry, but this is just completely false and made me lose interest in reading 200 more paragraphs of praising shitbulls. Poodles do not score badly on mentality tests and are not an inherently neurotic breed, unless that's some American thing and in that case it is definitely because of bad breeding practices in the states.

 

[autoerotic bus accident]

On behaviorial tests, pitbulls score about the same as golden retrievers, sometimes even better.

Again, it's really important to reinforce that this is total bullshit and the "behavioral test" is NOT intended to gauge an animal's suitability to be a pet. Here is a thorough explanation of what the American Temperament Test does and does not measure. Specifically it measures conformation to a breed standard, where a pit bull type dog's standard will obviously differ from a retriever's.

• Confidence vs. Sociability - Passing the ATT indicates a dog’s confidence in controlled, human-designed scenarios. However, this confidence does not imply sociability or friendliness, especially outside of the structured test environment.
• Aggression in the context of the ATT - Aggression is not the primary reason dogs fail the ATT. According to the ATTS website, roughly 95% of test failures result from timidity, not aggression. In some cases, breeds that were bred for protection or working purposes may even score positively if they respond with controlled aggression, depending on their breed standard.
• Individual variability - The ATT is inherently tailored to each dog's breed-specific traits, which means that results are not comparable across breeds. For example, a breed that naturally exhibits more cautious behavior may score differently than a breed bred for confidence or boldness, even if both dogs exhibit similar behaviors in real-world situations.

The ATT is largely a pit bull type dog shelter marketing tool and should not be used as evidence that they're misunderstood or being demonized in the media. There is no overrepresentation of pit bull attacks in the media. The issue is that pit bull type dogs are statistically much more likely to maul or kill other dogs, pets, humans and livestock rather than simply biting them as other dog breeds may do.

 

[donksmanSupreme42]

I'm sorry, but this is just completely false and made me lose interest in reading 200 more paragraphs of praising shitbulls. Poodles do not score badly on mentality tests and are not an inherently neurotic breed, unless that's some American thing and in that case it is definitely because of bad breeding practices in the states.

from my experience poodles are kinda hard to work with, but not because of their alleged neuroticism

it's because theyre too damn clever for their own good, a lot like border collies

even a misbehaving poodle is not very likely to bite a person, they were dogs for hunting waterfowl, their preferred prey is bird-sized, not dog or person sized

at most a badly-trained poodle will tear your house apart and try to boss you around, but its not gonna eat babies

 

[Bad Egg]

Those things aren't even cute.

I think they're extremely cute I wish there was actually some kind of professional breeding scene trying to move away from the bloodsport roots. They can be great dogs in my experience, and aren't always dog aggressive (childhood friend had one that lived with chihuahuas just fine for example) but the problem is that you have no way of knowing the dog's genetic background if you're just looking for one as a pet. You don't know if it's recent lineage is one of bloodsport or random low income neighborhood pet dog breeding, not to mention the latter is still sketchy. It's a nightmare scenario in terms of dog breeds and it makes me sad.

 

[donksmanSupreme42]

This is why while I love the look of borzois I'm leery about getting one, and definitely about getting an adult, because I have shelties. Including one that's very small. The last thing I'd want to happen is for my smallest sheltie to get the zoomies and a sighthound get the "CHASE THE BUNNY!" instinct kicked in and a tragedy happens.

 

[A.P. Hill]

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If this guy started a GoFundMe, he'd rack up thousands. Fuck shitbulls and fuck the trash that let them run unleashed.

 

[Scarlet Imperial]

I'm sorry, but this is just completely false and made me lose interest in reading 200 more paragraphs of praising shitbulls. Poodles do not score badly on mentality tests and are not an inherently neurotic breed, unless that's some American thing and in that case it is definitely because of bad breeding practices in the states.

I don't particularly like or dislike pitbulls. The only dog I've ever known who mauled a child was a standard poodle, and (at least in the US) poodles are one of those breeds that groomers hate to do because of their neurotic behavior. Guardian dogs, poodles, german shepherds, and rottweilers are often on the shitlist with groomers. In my experience, the smarter the dog, the more likely it is to be anxious and neurotic, and poodles are very smart. Not a big fan of border collies either for that reason. Of course if someone is able to give these breeds a "job" and an outlet for their nervous energy they are just fine. Maybe it's more of a problem with ownership. That's the reason I think golden doodles have been such a plague - smart like a poodle, but with the broad attraction and appeal of a retriever so most people who got one weren't prepared for it.

@autoerotic bus accident I don't know if it's that specific test or not, I just read through a description of what they do to the dogs and would assume that any kind of abnormal reaction would make it score lower. If it's breed specific, then of course a pitbull showing aggression to another dog wouldn't affect it, but showing aggression to people certainly would, so I believe my point on that stands. Unless there's some written standard for them that says they're expected to show aggression to people.

And yes, pitbull attacks are over-represented, vastly. They are overly (falsely) identified, events that are not pitbull on human attacks are still labeled as pitbull attacks, and most attacks by pitbulls are reported everywhere versus attacks by other breeds. Literally, if you go through the list of dog attacks every year you'll see that EVERY pit related entry has dozens and dozens of different news sites covering it, while most other entries might have one news article if it was a big deal and usually just a few social media posts. No, I'm not saying pitbull attacks don't happen or that they are less severe than other dog attacks, I'm saying there is a feedback and misinformation loop directly created by the media. People hear and see """pitbull""" attack, so they both assume that any attack they hear about was a pitbull and also that pitbulls are very dangerous and aggressive. This causes more reports of "pitbull attacks" not involving pitbulls because of misidentification (believe it or not, the authorities don't run DNA tests on dogs before killing them, they go by eyewitness accounts). Because of this reputation, your average good dog owner is going to avoid them. Instead, shitheads who want a scary dog and savior types who want to treat an animal like a human infant and run defense for it are the types of people who seek them out. This treatment leads to even more maulings, and the cycle continues.

If we culled the unsocialized dogs in shelters (of all breeds) and attempted to correct the record on pitbulls (to try and lessen the amount of shitheads and pitmommies who try to own them) you'd see dog attacks drop through the floor. There's a reason "breed bans", including on pitbulls, only work for about 10 years before the rates go back to the previous ones - all the currently feral dogs pass away in time for a different breed with a similar reputation to reach peak popularity with shitheads and cause a new generation of feral dogs to bite people. We've seen it before with rottweilers, doberman pinschers, and many others. You can argue that pitbulls, because of their gameness, pose a larger threat than other breeds, and you'd be right. But so do livestock guardian dogs - it doesn't matter if your Anatolian shepherd just bites once before you letting you go it that one bite kills you. They are huge, MUCH larger than a pitbull, stronger, more willing to bite, and more intelligent. If your argument is that any sufficiently dangerous breed should be killed then just about any breed over 30lbs should be on the chopping block. If you killed everything resembling a pitbull today, we'd see the same issues repeated in just a few years. That's not a solution to the problem, it's a low IQ band-aid.

 

[autoerotic bus accident]

And yes, pitbull attacks are over-represented, vastly

This is completely wrong, as you were when you tried to use the temperament test to make your point when you don't know what it does.

Statistics show clearly that pit bull type dogs are responsible for the majority of dog bite injuries to patients that require hospital care (over 69%), despite being a minority of dogs. They also show that the bites and injuries caused by pits are significantly more severe and require more emergency department intervention and radical reconstructive work. In peds trauma pits are the most common breed in severe bites and 50% of pit bites need surgical intervention. That is three times higher than the rate of any other dog breed, and that's the peds victims that survive to make it to the OR. Too many don't.

These statistics are not products of the media, they're products of the fact that pit bull type dogs have been selected for generations to have a viserocranial phenotype that allows them to grab, bite, shake and hold in a way that causes massive tissue damage, avulsion and crushing. In addition to that their instincts have been selected to not be able to be easily stopped or redirected, for the purposes of dog fighting. As with all working dogs pit bulls have been selected by humans to be good at doing a job, only their job is efficiently killing things. And they don't do it every day just like a Pyrenees won't guard sheep if you put him in an apartment, but it doesn't mean the instincts are no longer there.

Nobody is suggesting killing every large dog. Pits are essentially the only dog breed where we sometimes have to recover pieces of the victims from the animal's stomach. The Bennard attack where a two year old and a five month old were mauled to death - and their mother disfigured trying to stop them - were done by a pair of pits who had been lovingly raised as family dogs from puppies. No golden retriever has ever done that.

But don't listen to me, ask your own local emergency department clinician or plastic surgeon. Or just look at some research papers.

And to bring this back on topic, I'm aware of at least one documented human fatality from a SMASHED AND SLAMMED bully - although most of these poor fuckers can't move enough to be too dangerous.

 

[Scarlet Imperial]

@autoerotic bus accident
I never said they didn't do more damage or weren't the leaders in fatalities or serious bites. That's obviously true, and not the point here. The point is that they're not human-aggressive psychos - they were not bred that way, they do not act that way under normal circumstances, those are not their instincts. I suggest reading what someone says before you reply to them.

On the Bennard family, the only reference I find to the dogs eating them was a Reddit post on r/BanPitbulls from three years ago. According to descriptions of the dogs, they were specifically XL bullies? Coverage for the case other than the initial report is very hard to come by on that one. You can google golden retriever attacks (yes they do attack and kill people) and here's a lovely example of another dog mom fucking retard who keeps letting her kids around a dog which snaps at them: https://www.reddit.com/r/goldenretr...0/my_golden_retriever_bit_my_5_year_old_help/
Pitbulls are not the only dogs who seriously attack and eat people and it's beyond comprehension that you could possibly think they are. ALL DOGS CAN AND WILL BITE

I did not ever try to argue that pitbulls do not have a dangerous bite (in fact I mostly refer to them as "maulings" because it's almost never just one bite with them). Any retard could see that there are mountains of evidence for that. My issue is that if you focus on deleting a breed or a type of dog just because it's #1 in statisitics right now, you're not preventing future attacks, you're just shifting them to a different breed. If pitbulls go away, shitheads will move on to an equally devastating dog and continue the cycle. If you think that breeds which are inherently prone to bites are the problem, then you'll want to focus your attention on german shepherds, etc. and not pitbulls. If you think any breed with a dangerous severe potential for a bite or mauling need attention, then alongside pitbulls you should be worried about any large breed of dog (Anatolian shepherds in particular were bred with huge strong jaws to take down wolves with). Pitbulls aren't magical, they're not so drastically different from every other breed on earth, they're not super powered missiles bent on destroying everything they see, and I don't know why people are so hell bent on acting like they are. You don't see giant groups of people trying to ban german shepherds or rotweilers or doberman pinschers or mastiffs like you do with pitbulls, despite all those breeds being dangerous or high on the bite charts as well. German shepherds bite almost as many people as all pitbull type breeds combined. Any dog larger than a football willing to bite a person is an extreme danger to children, but people only seem to care about pitbulls. You also don't see "shepmommies" or any variation of the pitbull defense force for the other breeds. It's like mass hysteria or something. If people treated any large breed of dog the way they treat pitbulls we would see them just as highly represented in fatalities and serious bites as pitbulls, pitbulls aren't special.

The bite force pressure of a cane corso is about 700 PSI and for a pitbull it's about 235 PSI, lower than both german shepherds and rottweilers. Pitbulls are also small, about knee height for most people; they're heavy, but not really "big" or "tall", and have a hard time jumping. The ONLY thing special about pitbulls is their tendency to not let go of a person. There are plenty of other breeds which are larger, faster, stronger, and more willing to bite despite socialization, and I believe the only reason they are not vastly more reported in statistics is because they are rare, expensive, and lack the reputation of pitbulls. If any of these breeds swapped places with pitbulls, the statistics would be far, far worse. A feral dog also doesn't stop with one bite, because it's either trying to eat you or defend itself and there is no mental barrier to make it stop - the "snap and stop" type of dog attack is only really seen with family pets who get triggered into a bite and are more or less trying to warn you. So imagine if, instead of a small fat dog mauling some kid, it's a giant fuckass mastiff - the damage will likely be considerably worse, even without a pitbull's "gameness".

This is like trying to argue that a handgun is more dangerous than an anti-tank rifle because more people die from handgun fire. More people die from handgun fire because handguns are everywhere and easily aquired by criminals, not because they have more firepower or are deadlier shot for shot than an anti-tank rifle. If you ban handguns, criminals will still find a way to aquire them or just move on to the next easiest thing they can get their hands on. You don't stop them by banning guns, you don't save people's lives, you just inconvenience everyone a little bit more while the real issue persists.

 

[Trombonista]

f you think that breeds which are inherently prone to bites are the problem, then you'll want to focus your attention on german shepherds

Now I know your info is legit (I was bitten by a German Shepherd as a kid). That being said, this should not be a dog breed debate thread. Let's focus on the toadlines and shit.

 

[Spliongus]

I'm aware of at least one documented human fatality from a SMASHED AND SLAMMED bully

Did the victim get their knees shot out and then have the perpetrators "production" shamble up to them and rip their throat out?
How long before these wannabe gangbangers are just breeding masses of flesh resembling a canine teratoma?