Article [09/04/19] Muslim Republican asks trans men (FTMs) about Jessica Yaniv

[2nd_time_user]

Trans Men Comment on Hate Speech and Jessica Yaniv

Full Video: A very productive and polite (Canadian) interview featuring Saleem Juma. from 'Should there be Hate Speech Laws?': https://youtu.be/MyNeml0BZNQ t...

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[SeeingRad]

Supporting self ID laws that force you to refer to someone by their preferred pronoun
Referring to Yaniv as "they"

 

[2nd_time_user]

I thought this interview was really respectful on both sides.

No baiting, no yelling, no speech-shaming on either side. Yes the FTMs had an opinion on pronouns but the conversation then moved to Yaniv. Without getting into whether he was "true-trans" or not, they gave a thoughtful answer that came down to yes, providers should feel free to decline genital touching if they feel uncomfortable with it. These FTMs seemed totally normal.

Contrast that with MTFs, be it Blaire or JY. The whole discussion immediately centers around and becomes a yelling match about "you're not a real trans" and "trans women are women!" Everyone gets triggered instantly.

It would be nice if more MTFs could have a reasonable discussion as these two FTMs on the street just did. But then again, few bother to talk to FTMs for their views.

 

[dirt lamb]

No baiting, no yelling, no speech-shaming on either side. Yes the FTMs had an opinion on pronouns but the conversation then moved to Yaniv. Without getting into whether he was "true-trans" or not, they gave a thoughtful answer that came down to yes, providers should feel free to decline genital touching if they feel uncomfortable with it. These FTMs seemed totally normal.

Contrast that with MTFs, be it Blaire or JY. The whole discussion immediately centers around and becomes a yelling match about "you're not a real trans" and "trans women are women!" Everyone gets triggered instantly.

To me this reads as you describing two general clichés of the difference between men and women, and validates the gender all of these trannies identify as. Just an observation.

 

[2nd_time_user]

To me this reads as you describing two general clichés of the difference between men and women, and validates the gender all of these trannies identify as. Just an observation.

I can see how you think that, but having known guys from femme on up to straight biggo alpha, these two seemed like they weren't "acting" how they think guys should act, they were just acting natural and it seemed guy-like or at least andogenous to me. Whereas with a lot of MTFs, not only do they not pass physically, but then seal the deal by acting like some Judy Blume outdated parody of female adolescence that seems very forced--in more ways than one.

 

[iforgotmypassword]

To me this reads as you describing two general clichés of the difference between men and women, and validates the gender all of these trannies identify as. Just an observation.

I don't think so, this guys seemed coherent, I don't think having opinions but accepting that others have different views is just a feminine thing, humans are a really varied, you may be anti trans but find one specific trans a good commentator, you may be super antifa and then you find yourself agreeing with some conservative youtuber in some topic, this isn't as black & white as some people try to paint it as, there are lot of variables in place.

Dangerous trannies should be locked up in prison for life (you can't rehabilitate sexual predators) but the ones that don't bother anyone? Let them live, there is so much freak shit (Yaniv) in this world, don't get hang up on the weirdos that don't bother other peoplkw

 

[Spooky Bones]

"Being recognized as the gender that you...are....irrespective of other people's opinions..." NOPE'd out right about there less than 10 seconds in.

 

[SeeingRad]

Yes the FTMs had an opinion on pronouns but the conversation then moved to Yaniv.

And they abandoned their convictions completely by referring to Yaniv as “they.” The interview goes well not because they’re respectful but because their opinions are wishy-washy at best.

 

[Junkail]

If you're gonna be upset about soulless marriage, how about you take a trip to Las Vegas or Hollywood. America's divorce rate was ridiculously high since before any state legalized same-sex marriage, btw.
examples of pointless celebrity marriages. (Kim's wedding cost 10,000,000 dollars)
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There's more than enough to criticize LGBTQ, but the gay marriage thing isnt one. They aren't hurting anybody with it, unless they fuck up their family in a divorce because they didn't commit (which plenty of straights do too).

I believe you may have replied in the wrong thread, but the critical discussion thread is actually relevant to this video.

 

[Okkervils]

Guys, please remember this thread is to discuss the video and its contents. If you want to debate about trannies and why they do what they do, we have a thread for that here.

ETA: Moved some posts to the thread linked above so this one doesn't get cluttered.