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The carefully-constructed mythos of Toby Fox being this indelible irreplaceable auteur who has had everything meticulously planned out for years has been shattered.
I'm kind of surprised he's not a troon or a buttpirate tbh. Really really wild to me how he's cultivated such a homo friendly status he can be a straight? man slurping over 15 y/o lesbians without being called a disgusting pervert freak. I mean I respect him playing his stupid fans like fiddles, but
I guess it's a bit of me to assume Toby will go through with it but then why use a word like fucking sacrifice you fucking hack?
Also reminder that originally Toriel was supposed to be kidnapped instead. Whatever the fuck they're doing it looks like for some reason they need at least one of the Dreemurrs, presumably ACTUAL Dreemurrs not adopted chuds like Kris, the police chief and a Holiday so either Noelle is getting nabbed eventually, or Carol, or Rudy or perhaps Dess was the original sacrifice? Who fucking knows.
Also what do these sacrifices entail and what will they accomplish? Who fucking knows.
That's the most irritating part to me. We're on Chapter 5 now and we still know jack and shit about what is actually going on. We're almost done with the story we only have 6 and 7 left. So unless Toby pulls a fast one and adds a surprise 8th chapter or more to the game we are like 75% through and we still know fucking nothing.
Other people have said it in the thread already but I've also noticed this odd trend of writers setting up what seems like an interesting premise or mystery only to then completely fucking squander it by focusing on retarded shit and before you know it the story is already over and nothing worthwhile was actually explained.
It's not all that new. Take the TV show Lost for example. It seems like creating an interesting mystery is easier than giving a satisfying answer. I don't think Deltarune is going as badly as Lost, but there was still too little in chapter 5. I avoided playing Deltarune when I found out it was episodic for this reason, even though I really liked Undertale. I only played it last year when 3+4 released. I feel that I would definitely be more annoyed if I had been thinking about this shit for the last 8 years though.
Am I getting that right? 8 years (and counting) of development and story telling and the highlight of the newest chapter is two lesbian furries having a romance?
I don't think it's as bad as some other people are saying. It's not completely hamfisted yurislop written with one hand and suddenly shoehorned into the middle of the story to get a big coom. It was previously set up in chapter 2. It serves a purpose in the story, it's a love triangle. Kris can barely hide his jealousy. Susie talking about "us" and "our thing" at the end and then suddenly saying we need to include Noelle before slamming the door in Kris's face and going off to build a little nest for her was brutal.
Still, Krusie >>>>>>>>>>> Suselle, obviously.
Chapter 5 was pretty weak in terms of story, but I still remain optimistic. 5 was originally to be released together with 3 and 4, and I think it was meant to be a little break from the serious and exposition-heavy chapter 4.
I'm kind of surprised he's not a troon or a buttpirate tbh. Really really wild to me how he's cultivated such a homo friendly status he can be a straight? man slurping over 15 y/o lesbians without being called a disgusting pervert freak. I mean I respect him playing his stupid fans like fiddles, but
at this point I think he legitimately cannot help himself. Like McNulty levels of self destruction. The cope I want to say is that ch5 was rewritten in the year in-between 3&4, and/or his guest trannies wrote most of this chapter.
The only silver lining I can think of is that the chapter is getting near universally panned. The general consensus is that it was a huge disappointment, the nicest thing anyone can think to say about it is "Yeah the story sucks but at least the gameplay was cool," and hell must have frozen over because I've seen multiple normie fans come out and complain about how forced and sloppy Suselle felt. The carefully-constructed mythos of Toby Fox being this indelible irreplaceable auteur who has had everything meticulously planned out for years has been shattered.
I guess it's a bit of me to assume Toby will go through with it but then why use a word like fucking sacrifice you fucking hack?
Also reminder that originally Toriel was supposed to be kidnapped instead. Whatever the fuck they're doing it looks like for some reason they need at least one of the Dreemurrs, presumably ACTUAL Dreemurrs not adopted chuds like Kris, the police chief and a Holiday so either Noelle is getting nabbed eventually, or Carol, or Rudy or perhaps Dess was the original sacrifice? Who fucking knows.
Also what do these sacrifices entail and what will they accomplish? Who fucking knows.
That's the most irritating part to me. We're on Chapter 5 now and we still know jack and shit about what is actually going on. We're almost done with the story we only have 6 and 7 left. So unless Toby pulls a fast one and adds a surprise 8th chapter or more to the game we are like 75% through and we still know fucking nothing.
I just have my doubts because we went from "hey look it's the LITERAL EMBODIMENT OF PURE EVIL" to "WHEE FAGGOT FLOWER LESBIAN FUNTIME, drama next chapter, it's not like there's a MASSIVE TICKING CLOCK ON THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE OR ANYTHING"
also i guess toriel wasn't the target in chapter 3, it was to lure undyne or some dumb shit like that. I really wanted to believe toby fox could write, just like the dumb clown show, but all I'm learning is millennial homofags can't write for shit and anything I liked about Undertale was wrapped in nostalgia and the better parts of the fandom.
One fear I must share.
One of the "big" moments in the chapter is Ralsei going "Hey guys! Why is there game UI whenever we fight anyone?".
UNDERTALE capped off an era of game writers being "clever" by just lazily pointing out things that happen in games. UNDERTALE managed to pull it off OK but even it was wearing its good will thin on that front and it was the last time you could really do something like that.
If DELTARUNE is really just "Oh my god! We're in a videogame! Isn't that crazy?" in 2030-whatever - I don't think Toby will ever live it down. No amount of cope can deflect it. It's sofucking played out.
I feel like it might be related moreso to Gaster creating this world and thus it having the structure of a program than it being an actual video game in a meta sense.
One fear I must share.
One of the "big" moments in the chapter is Ralsei going "Hey guys! Why is there game UI whenever we fight anyone?".
UNDERTALE capped off an era of game writers being "clever" by just lazily pointing out things that happen in games. UNDERTALE managed to pull it off OK but even it was wearing its good will thin on that front and it was the last time you could really do something like that.
If DELTARUNE is really just "Oh my god! We're in a videogame! Isn't that crazy?" in 2030-whatever - I don't think Toby will ever live it down. No amount of cope can deflect it. It's sofucking played out.
If he pulls the "it was all a LE GAME!" like he did with Flowey, my eyes are going to roll so far back people are gonna think I'm having a seizure.
Gayest part of UT and it'd be even gayer here. Then I really would have no reason to care about the characters.
I just have my doubts because we went from "hey look it's the LITERAL EMBODIMENT OF PURE EVIL" to "WHEE FAGGOT FLOWER LESBIAN FUNTIME, drama next chapter, it's not like there's a MASSIVE TICKING CLOCK ON THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE OR ANYTHING"
>"Kris... Do you remember? Do you remember that day Kris? When it happened? When those things did the things? When th-"
>Dad, do me a solid. Stop vagueposting IRL so the theory youtubers have content and actually speak with specificity so we can finally ESTABLISH A FUCKING MOTIVE AND SOME FUCKING GOALS FOR SOME OF THE FUCKING "CHARACTERS" IN THIS STORY FOR ONCE
>WE ARE 5 CHAPTERS IN AND I STILL DON'T KNOW WHY I'M OPENING FOUNTAINS, WHY THE FUCK DOES CAROL AND RUDY; I THINK; WANT TO BRING ABOUT A WORLD ENDING APOCALYPSE!? >WHY. THE. FUCK. IS EVERY CHAPTER INVOLVING OUR FAMILY A FUCKING FILLER CHAPTER!?
Not gonna lie, was pretty shocked when Kris said this to Asgore.
Bravo Tobuscus Foxworth. Bravo.
As a very prominent poster on this thread, I OBVIOUSLY have to tell my very important opinion after finishing the chapter:
If I were to describe the whole thing, that'd be like a very cool skating session on top of a derailing train. Like yeah, it's a total fucking train wreck and it's horrible, but at least you did all those cool tricks on a moving and twisting train, but you still come off sad and disappointed that the train got toppled. Sure, the platforming was fun, getting on my last leg in a final boss fight when first-time beating was fun. But the story and substance were totally pathetic. I felt more empty finishing the chapter than actually starting out. (And don't get me started how Berdly had no narrative impact on chapter 5, meaning his death for the weird route was comeplty meaningless) Funny that, but the totally pathetic substance made me WANT to play the weird route more than anything, just becuase how Suselle was so fucking forced, in a sense that it was a forced humiliation ritual, like picking Susie's clothes for a date that's, very obviously, not with Kris. Seriously, my finger was glued to the ctrl key the whole Suselle cutscene to skip the entire thing, just fuck off with it. And the secret boss? I was expecting something really cool, I didn't know who it was but I was ready for it... And it's just... Mad mew mew. Oh yeah, that's... The good stuff... I just beat it and didn't think much of it, unlike the previous secret bosses, it just feels like filler.
Again, I'm gonna actually finish the weird route, fuck it. I won't feel satisfied enough until I actually smash the Suselle shit clean off the menu and get something different. I wanna fucking feel something, not this bullshit ending we've got. "Oh, you like Krusie? Well, here are hints that Kris likes her too, and dialouge options during a tete-a-tete with Suise that do the same. But I'm gonna complety pivot toward Suselle with barely any foundation and drive the narrative into shit to satisfy my fetish!"
Go fuck yourself Toby Fox
Is this the "dream" you had for chapter 5 "10 years ago"? Your "magnum opus"? I'd honestly wait more if we actually got something worthwhile, not this gay-pandering goyslop shoveled in hopes the cattle will be happy for the validating representarion in their favorite wholesome pronoun game
I never got invested in this game but if I am hearing it right from all of you.
You got built up to a romance with a tomboy purple dinosaur and it ends with you getting cuck caged as she becomes a lesbian with a christmas reindeer.
So not only the hero gets cucked, but you the viewer is cucked. Quite the deep work by Toby. I hope you all enjoyed watching from your little chair.
of me to assume Toby will go through with it but then why use a word like fucking sacrifice you fucking hack?
