🤝 Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

Wait, you can get CJD from eating brains? I knew about kuru and mad cow but never heard about CJD getting passed that way.

I just kinda figured eating brains wasn't much different than eating other organ meat, like chicken livers or gizzards or chitlins or whatever.
 
Wait, you can get CJD from eating brains? I knew about kuru and mad cow but never heard about CJD getting passed that way.

I just kinda figured eating brains wasn't much different than eating other organ meat, like chicken livers or gizzards or chitlins or whatever.
Confusingly, there are two neurodegenerative diseases which affect humans and are called CJD. Both are caused by prions. The first, which is usually just called Creutzfeldt Jakob disease, is usually sporadic but can be inherited in families. Basically, you get unlucky and a typo in your DNA causes a protein to be made in the wrong shape. The bad protein builds up in your brain, you lose all of your cognitive and physical abilities over the course of a few months, and then you die.

The other type, called variant Creutzfeldt Jakob disease, or vCJD, which is also caused by a prion. In this case, though, the prion isn't produced by your own body - it came from somewhere else. This is the type you can get from eating nervous system tissue (so, spinal cord, meninges, not just brain). Prions in general are poorly understood but it is believed that the prion that causes vCJD in people is identical to the one that causes bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE), or "mad cow disease". Basically, you eat a sausage containing a misshapen protein, it takes up residence and builds up in your brain, you lose all of your cognitive and physical abilities over the course of a few months, and then you die. Survival time for the variant type is around one year and is slightly longer than that of classical CJD.

There was an outbreak of vCJD in the UK in the 1980s and 1990s, which led to the discovery that it was caused by the same prion that gives cows BSE. Now, there are very stringent testing protocols and animal husbandry guidelines to prevent cows with BSE from entering the food chain. This outbreak is the rationale behind some countries' forbidding some people who lived in Bongland from donating blood or blood products.

To add to the confusion, there were cases of classical CJD being transmitted via organ, cornea, and dura transplantation, blood and blood product transfusion, EEG electrodes, and improperly sterilized surgical instruments, although no new incidences of this means of transmission have been reported since the mid-70s. The physical characteristics of the misfolded protein which causes these diseases make them very, very hardy, and they can survive even autoclave sterilization.

Regardless of type or manner of transmission, the disease is rapidly progressive and always fatal. Here's a chart comparing the respective clinical presentations of classical CJD and vCJD, for the curious.

From the example of vCJD and BSE, we know that prion diseases can be transferred from animals to humans. Since we don't understand why this happens, it's safest to avoid eating nervous system tissue, including brain and spinal cord, from any animal. In addition to BSE, transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSE) caused by prions have been observed in elk, deer, and caribou, sheep and goats, mink, cats, ungulates including American bison and various exotic antelope species, and camels. Prions are absolutely terrifying. Brains aren't that tasty, anyway.

Oh, and the human prion diseases have incredibly long incubation periods, with some patients not having symptoms until 10 or more years after infection. You could have it and not know. Cheers!
 
Basically, you eat a sausage containing a misshapen protein, it takes up residence and builds up in your brain, you lose all of your cognitive and physical abilities over the course of a few months, and then you die. Survival time for the variant type is around one year and is slightly longer than that of classical CJD.
The insidious part is the bad prions somehow interact with healthy proteins and "recruit" them by turning them into copies of themselves. I don't know if we know exactly how they do that yet. One of the worst of these diseases (genetic and incredibly rare) is fatal familial insomnia, which is nightmare material and almost makes CJD look fun.
 
The insidious part is the bad prions somehow interact with healthy proteins and "recruit" them by turning them into copies of themselves. I don't know if we know exactly how they do that yet. One of the worst of these diseases (genetic and incredibly rare) is fatal familial insomnia, which is nightmare material and almost makes CJD look fun.
Oh, it's absolutely terrifying, especially when you consider that each of us has the PRNP gene and thus, the PrPc protein. Until we understand how a "bad" protein can possibly cause the healthy versions of itself to misfold, we don't really know if it can be stopped.

Here are some articles.
Prions, prionoids and protein misfolding disorders (Nature, 2008)
Copper-induced structural conversion templates prion protein oligomerization and neurotoxicity (Science Advances, 2016)
Prion-like mechanisms in neurodegenerative diseases (Nat Rev Neurosci, 2010)
Self-propagation of pathogenic protein aggregates in neurodegenerative diseases (Nature, 2013)


Fucking terrifying. We don't really know anything about how our bodies can betray us.
 
Fuck me, eating brains is nasty enough, but who eats spinal cords?

One of the grocery stores I worked at had a large Hispanic clientele, and it was bad enough when I had to ring up stomach and intestines for menudo.
Seeing spinal cords for sale would give me the creeps.
 
Eh, I guess living in the south growing up knowing people eat chicken livers and chitlins makes me not too weirded out by people eating organs even if I'm not interested in trying it myself.

If nervous system tissue can be a vector for prion disease I guess yeah there probably should be a warning on products. I would imagine most traditional dishes involving brains probably originated in a time where you were probably gonna die of something else long before prion disease would've gotten you.

Keeping this Tard Baby related, I wonder what kid has the most fucked up brain?
 
Damn, prion diseases really are some of the most nightmarish shit. I wonder if any potato fundie moms have ever had a kid with a prion disease?
Usually not, because the main inherited one is fatal familial insomnia, which is so vanishingly rare that anyone in a family that has it knows there's a possibility of it.

It usually only kicks in somewhere after the age of 45, where you suddenly find you can't sleep. At all. Ever. And then it rapidly turns into losing your mind completely, while being fully aware of why it's happening, and again, being unable to sleep, which would be at least a temporary escape.

And then at least you eventually die.
 
Eh, I guess living in the south growing up knowing people eat chicken livers and chitlins makes me not too weirded out by people eating organs even if I'm not interested in trying it myself.

If nervous system tissue can be a vector for prion disease I guess yeah there probably should be a warning on products. I would imagine most traditional dishes involving brains probably originated in a time where you were probably gonna die of something else long before prion disease would've gotten you.

Keeping this Tard Baby related, I wonder what kid has the most fucked up brain?
More fun fact: No amount of cooking will kill the prions.

Since I was bored, I tried to find a juvenile proteopathy. Oddly enough, there isn't any known. Proteopathies are when misfolded proteins cause other proteins to also misfold and/or get stuck together. I assume this is due to many diseases having their biochemical mechanisms not all that explored.
 
Oxtail soup is delicious and that's spinal matter. edit: menudo is delicious too.

Fundie kids are genetically corrupt; these kind of diseases are not so common in kids usually. Most of what we see in this thread is the parents just being horrible human beings on some level. Giving their kids waterhead out of ego, refusing proper medical intervention, refusing abortions when it's absolutely medically necessary.

Working with human remains is a little nerve-wracking when you get into the brain- it is slippery and delicate, a bit like firm rice pudding. After a little while it stiffens up and is easier to work with, so a fresher cadaver is more difficult to handle.

I've never had a cut or stick injury on the job but if I did, and brain matter was involved, I'd be damn nervous. Prions are impossible to destroy, too, so all equipment used with brain matter may as well be prion-infested forever as far as I'm concerned. (This isn't completely the case, but I've got a righteous paranoia about it)

double edit: one in a million in the US die of this yearly. that's 300-400 people. One in a hundred of those are death industry or medical workers exposed during invasive procedures. That's 3 or 4 of us. Freaks me out.
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
A hospital I used to work at did a neurological procedure on someone who was believed to have had a prion disease, and instead of sending the tools to be sterilized, they sent them to a place that would smelt and probably recast them into something else.

I've never had brains, but I've heard that they are most commonly prepared with scrambled eggs. BTW, that's correct about brain and spinal cord tissue being basically cholesterol with cells in it.

As for fetal surgery, thankfully very few babies need it; the most common scenario that leads to it is spina bifida, and not every baby with it qualifies either.

p.s. The cow's spinal cord is not in the tail; it ends before then. That canal contains ligaments and some nerve tissue that services the tail. Funny you should mention oxtail soup, because my BFF and I was just chatting on Facebook a couple hours ago, and he mentioned that he and his wife bought half a steer, and because none of them like the heart, liver, tongue, or tail, allowed the locker to keep it. The locker personnel said that the Hispanics in their area buy those "parts" and make good use of them.
 
A hospital I used to work at did a neurological procedure on someone who was believed to have had a prion disease, and instead of sending the tools to be sterilized, they sent them to a place that would smelt and probably recast them into something else.

I've never had brains, but I've heard that they are most commonly prepared with scrambled eggs. BTW, that's correct about brain and spinal cord tissue being basically cholesterol with cells in it.

As for fetal surgery, thankfully very few babies need it; the most common scenario that leads to it is spina bifida, and not every baby with it qualifies either.

p.s. The cow's spinal cord is not in the tail; it ends before then. That canal contains ligaments and some nerve tissue that services the tail. Funny you should mention oxtail soup, because my BFF and I was just chatting on Facebook a couple hours ago, and he mentioned that he and his wife bought half a steer, and because none of them like the heart, liver, tongue, or tail, allowed the locker to keep it. The locker personnel said that the Hispanics in their area buy those "parts" and make good use of them.
Where I grew up, they'll use the whole spine- chopped bone, in the soup. Amazing stuff.

On a more relevant note, do we have a current death count for this thread? I'm trying to catch up reading back through to find updates on the more disgusting cases.
 
This outbreak is the rationale behind some countries' forbidding some people who lived in Bongland from donating blood or blood products.
I've never been to Britbongland, but I did live in Spain for two years in the very early 90's, and that's why my family is forbidden to donate blood. I've had to explain this quite a few times over the years because most people can't comprehend that I've never donated blood because I'm legally barred from doing so.
 
Prion disease terrifies me. Always has from the moment I heard of it. It must be a hideous way to die.

We currently have a mystery disease where I live. It has the symptoms of CJD but, so far, medical researches think it isn't one of the identified prion diseases. No one knows where it came from or why so many cases have arisen in such a short time in a somewhat sparsely populated area. Doctors can't even say if it is or isn't contagious, though I imagine it's linked to something in our diet; folks in the two affected areas consume a fair amount of wild game and seafood. There's a cultural, and genetic, link between the Acadian Peninsula and the city involved as well so there's lots to look into before coming to a conclusion on potential causes.

Added fun - The outbreak only came to light due to a leaked internal public health memo.

One of several CBC articles on the subject
 
Prion disease terrifies me. Always has from the moment I heard of it. It must be a hideous way to die.

We currently have a mystery disease where I live. It has the symptoms of CJD but, so far, medical researches think it isn't one of the identified prion diseases. No one knows where it came from or why so many cases have arisen in such a short time in a somewhat sparsely populated area. Doctors can't even say if it is or isn't contagious, though I imagine it's linked to something in our diet; folks in the two affected areas consume a fair amount of wild game and seafood. There's a cultural, and genetic, link between the Acadian Peninsula and the city involved as well so there's lots to look into before coming to a conclusion on potential causes.

Added fun - The outbreak only came to light due to a leaked internal public health memo.

One of several CBC articles on the subject
of interest: CWD in deer is heavily prevalent there.


I've read a long way back. "incompatible with life" became commonly used because fundies thought "universally fatal" was too harsh. Maybe it's time we go back to direct and blunt terminology.
 
I was always really glad I never had to handle a brain, because I've seen one nearly being dropped a couple of times over the span of several years.

Prion diseases are horrifying and also fascinating, which is pretty true of a lot of the diseases we see here. It's just a shame they're afflicting kids, it's bad enough with grown adults.

Silas going home is going to be... interesting. I feel like it's an excuse for his sister to live away from home permanently because 'It's just too risky!'. To be fair, it would be incredibly risky but that kid is about as fragile as they come and I'd be surprised if he lasts long regardless. There are other kids who are more robust that do okay considering, but he doesn't seem like he could get through a decent cold.
 
Yeah I've heard even white american weebs talking about how delicious oxtail soup is, especially if you can find an old grandma from the islands to make it for you. It sounds like a lot of cultures perfected the art of taking less desirable parts of a carcass and still making it delicious. Makes sense especially for people from lower income levels.

As scary as prions are I would imagine you're still way more likely to die of cancer from smoking or have a heart attack from big Macs than you are from prions from eating spinal tissues. That said, I wonder what the non-medical cases in the us are from? Like what parts of what animals are they eating?

CWD is why it's illegal to bring deer tissue from anywhere else I to my state. Afaik it's never been recorded in our deer but you can't be too careful. Lots of people like to hunt and eat venison, or donate it to the needy. CWD would be disasterous for the state.

Fundies are butthurt about the term "incompatible with life" too. I should find more examples of that, been a minute since I last poked around fundie fubar fetus pages.
 
Yeah I've heard even white american weebs talking about how delicious oxtail soup is, especially if you can find an old grandma from the islands to make it for you. It sounds like a lot of cultures perfected the art of taking less desirable parts of a carcass and still making it delicious. Makes sense especially for people from lower income levels.

As scary as prions are I would imagine you're still way more likely to die of cancer from smoking or have a heart attack from big Macs than you are from prions from eating spinal tissues. That said, I wonder what the non-medical cases in the us are from? Like what parts of what animals are they eating?

CWD is why it's illegal to bring deer tissue from anywhere else I to my state. Afaik it's never been recorded in our deer but you can't be too careful. Lots of people like to hunt and eat venison, or donate it to the needy. CWD would be disasterous for the state.

Fundies are butthurt about the term "incompatible with life" too. I should find more examples of that, been a minute since I last poked around fundie fubar fetus pages.
we need to just start telling them "it's already dead".

CWD is likely everywhere by now. Crossing over into humans isn't recorded yet but I don't doubt it's coming soon.

Off to read the Moonhead thread.
 
Silas' sister is gonna grow up with such a fucking complex. Good way to mess up both kids instead of just one.

There's very few proteopathies actually identified. Alzheimers is labelled as one along with ALS and CJD. It's hard to determine if the proteins being produced are just insoluble and not cleared or are actively causing more to clump. The latter is the key distinction.

Only studies I've seen done on prions is that removal of the gene doesnt do anything bad (but ones like this sometimes are essential for development stages in humans but not mice).
 
Prion disease terrifies me. Always has from the moment I heard of it. It must be a hideous way to die.

We currently have a mystery disease where I live. It has the symptoms of CJD but, so far, medical researches think it isn't one of the identified prion diseases. No one knows where it came from or why so many cases have arisen in such a short time in a somewhat sparsely populated area. Doctors can't even say if it is or isn't contagious, though I imagine it's linked to something in our diet; folks in the two affected areas consume a fair amount of wild game and seafood. There's a cultural, and genetic, link between the Acadian Peninsula and the city involved as well so there's lots to look into before coming to a conclusion on potential causes.

Added fun - The outbreak only came to light due to a leaked internal public health memo.

One of several CBC articles on the subject
Don't worry, it's actually just Covid-20.
 
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