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I'm pretty sure the sexualisation of breasts is the main thing. They develop pretty early for some girls, they are always there, and they are always sexualised. And lesbians ofc would be even more annoyed by sexual 'attention' from men.

Also, I think sometimes puberty is just kind of weird in that you don't really develop a natural attitude to your changing body, so they kind of feel almost like foreign objects. I know men change too during puberty but not as drastic in that way. My tits grew when I was like 11 and it's like, you've been flat your whole life and suddenly there are these weird balloons there that are kind of painful or uncomfortable or in the way sometimes and also boys and men stare at them and comment on them. I never developed a hate towards them per se but I was indifferent and kind of annoyed and didn't really develop a positive attitude to them until adulthood.
Thanks. That makes a lot of sense to me.
Do you know Mumsnet? I lurk there sometimes and even though it's highly moderated they have some great debates. Anyway. One or two months ago there was this thread asking someting like "if you could become a man without any problems at all (like sci-fi) would you do it". A large amount og these feminists said yes. It was so fucking weird to read. Made me sad to think that even these well educated women/girls would buy into this "grass is always greener" shit.
 
Could you elaborate on why that might be? Is it men treating women badly and sexualising them. Is it mostly lesbians who feel like this? Twenty years ago we didn't see this stuff where girls could just have their breasts removed if they wanted to. To me it looks like eating disorder 2.0.

I think, even sexism aside, puberty is just... pretty weird in general. It's uncomfortable to have your body change without your consent, in ways you can't stop. Especially in ways that are very specifically linked to sex/reproduction. Yes, guys go through puberty, but voice dropping/body hair are not as obviously reproductive as breasts/menstruation, and also tend to happen a lot later. Whereas some girls start developing breasts aged 8 or 9, and periods aged 11 aren't uncommon.

You imagine you're still at an age where you're pretending to be a horse or something in the playground with your friends or whatever, and then suddenly your body starts changing unexpectedly (also why autistic girls get hit hard with this, since autistic people are often very change-resistant), and suddenly you're a) aware that your body is Preparing To Make Babies In The Future whilst you're still practically a baby yourself, and b) adults suddenly start telling you how "grown up" you are, or to "cover up", except you don't want to grow up and are still 8 and don't really understand the concept of being self-conscious. Add to that the fact that many kids don't really know exactly how puberty works (I remember thinking I was going to go from flat chested to an H-cup in a week or something), and some hormones fucking with your brain, and it's a recipe for the whole experience being confusing and frightening.

We didn't see this 20 years ago because kids didn't really have much choice to grin and bear it, until inevitably a few months passed and they realised the whole puberty thing goes pretty slowly, and all their other friends were changing too, and by the time puberty was well underway they'd kind of come to terms with the whole "growing up" thing. Now, you go on the internet as a 13 year old and type in "I'm scared of getting boobs" into google and up pop a slew of people telling you you're really a man, rather than pointing out that literally every other girl you know is feeling/has felt the same.
 
No screenshots, cause I'm just using this as a place to rant.

A good friend recently decided he was a she. Cool, whatever. All of us were like "you do you" and accepted the pronoun and name change. Her band released a special edition t-shirt in support of her. Yada Yada, life goes on.

I thought she was smart so I figured she wasn't going to fall into this pervy transtrender fad.

Well, I was wrong. Checked out her social media the other day and found out she's checking off all the "its a fetish" boxes.

Only fans.
Suggestive photos for friends and family to see.
Referring to herself as a "kinky little house wife" and asking random men to give her money to dominate her.

I was so disappointed, and also so insulted. Sucks to realize this person viewed women so lowly that when they became one, the only thing they could think to define them was "submissive sex toy."

Edit: oh great, she just showed up on reddit showing her asshole. Cool.
similar thing happened to me.
childhood friend, known each other since we were six. got our first girl friends together when we both started dating two friends.
did alot of stuff together, camping, fishing, both on the local soccer team. trusted him with a lot of shit, also always felt like he was the cooler one and the funny one.
about a year ago he just dropped off the face of the earth but he would still message me every now and then just to shoot the shit. eight months later he made a Facebook post saying he had been on HRT and changed his named.
posted a really cringe reddit image too.
haven't talked since.

Sorry if this is just a rant needed to vent.
can't really talk to anyone about it as most people are supportive of them

never going to forgive the troons for taking my friend.
 
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I can believe the height loss (spinal collapse due to osteoporosis) but I have strong doubt about the D-cup.

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You can see this man is enjoying it very much.
 
Girls are undergoing puberty earlier than they used to.

Also, if you’re autistic, or a lesbian, or both, suddenly the rules changed. Before all you had to be considered girly was long hair and liking dresses. Now there’s makeup, and shaving your legs, and being interested in boys. And it seems like every other girl likes it, and you don’t. This is part of why the tween daughters of liberal moms are more like to troon out — because crunchy liberal women aren’t going to force their daughters to be girly, but then their daughters will see the girls whose mothers are making them get their eyebrows done and think those girls like it.
 
Thanks. That makes a lot of sense to me.
Do you know Mumsnet? I lurk there sometimes and even though it's highly moderated they have some great debates. Anyway. One or two months ago there was this thread asking someting like "if you could become a man without any problems at all (like sci-fi) would you do it". A large amount og these feminists said yes. It was so fucking weird to read. Made me sad to think that even these well educated women/girls would buy into this "grass is always greener" shit.

There's a lot of things where it isn't advantageous to be a man, but there's a single one which is by far the hardest on women: reproduction. Men don't get pregnant, they don't have their bodies changed (sometimes permanently, as it happens to a lot of women - from stretch marks to fistulae, from the aesthetically unpleasing to the downright painful and/or lethal) and they don't feel any physical inconvenience caused by carrying a fetus inside them. A lot of women don't even have the luxury of feeling any pleasure when conceiving.

Men don't go through the pains of childbirth, they don't risk having their genitals torn and losing their capacity for sexual pleasure when their children are born, there won't be any doctor doing things they didn't consent to in a state of completely helplessness that might not only scar physically and mentally, but their child too. Men can't be victims of obstetric violence.

Men don't have the same level of attachment to their offspring - it's no wonder a lot more men leave for the proverbial pack of smokes to never come back than women. A man who abandons his child is just a deadbeat dad, a mother who does so is a monster. Men don't have their professional lives upended by having to raise children. Men can throw some money every month at their kids and see them only during the weekends and still be seen as a good dad and a desirable partner; women usually don't. If a man has a severely disabled child, there's no expectation he'll abandon his own life completely for decades to take care of the child.

If men don't want children, they can get a minimally-invasive surgery or wrap their penis with a thin layer of latex, which is nearly to no inconvenience compared to what a woman requires to not become pregnant: either complete celibacy, a highly invasive surgery - that might be denied to her even if she never had any desire to have kids for most of her life, sometimes she can't even make this choice without having her husband's formal permission - or taking hormones that might not even work (as there's a lot of trivial things that cancel the effect of contraceptive pills) and even give her something horrible like deep vein trombosis before her fifties.

All of that is terrifying for a lot of women, and I'd wager it's much scarier for women/girls who ARE educated. They know better what to expect in the worst case scenarios. It's no wonder they'd opt out of womanhood if they could.
 
Men don't have the same level of attachment to their offspring - it's no wonder a lot more men leave for the proverbial pack of smokes to never come back than women. A man who abandons his child is just a deadbeat dad, a mother who does so is a monster. Men don't have their professional lives upended by having to raise children. Men can throw some money every month at their kids and see them only during the weekends and still be seen as a good dad and a desirable partner; women usually don't. If a man has a severely disabled child, there's no expectation he'll abandon his own life completely for decades to take care of the child.
Holy shit.
 
How can he think he has D cups?! I can't say I quite understand face blindness, but I accept that it's a real thing that a small number of people (disproportionately troon) have. But does this person have boob blindness?
he probably has never worn an actual cup bra and doesn't know how they work so he just shat out a guess
 
What is it with troons in tech and being fucking abysmal at coding?
I know like 15 developers who are troons who make games and they are unoptimized pieces of shit with a constant power creep.
Does trooning out deprive you of the ability to test your stuff?
It's like Ashkenazi Jews in intellectual pursuits, but without the history of persecution and pigeon-holing that raised their average IQ and forced them to be good enough at their niche to be indispensable.
 
Troons thinking their manboobs are bigger than they really are is actually quite common. Our horrorcow Kevin Gibes loves to brag that he's a C cup, but it's quite obvious from his sad mantitties that he is probably an A when compared to his band size, and that he loves to stuff his bra.

You see plenty of tranny subs of them stating that it's possible to get D cups or bigger through HRT, because it all depends on how big your female relatives boobs are. Their delusional thinking is really fucking something.
 
Troons thinking their manboobs are bigger than they really are is actually quite common. Our horrorcow Kevin Gibes loves to brag that he's a C cup, but it's quite obvious from his sad mantitties that he is probably an A when compared to his band size, and that he loves to stuff his bra.

You see plenty of tranny subs of them stating that it's possible to get D cups or bigger through HRT, because it all depends on how big your female relatives boobs are. Their delusional thinking is really fucking something.
A lot of these men think higher band size automatically equals larger cup size. “Oh I’m a barrel chested 48, must mean I’m a DD!” In part because of fetish, in part because they’ve no clue how to measure for a bra, and finally because, as most women know, it’s difficult to find irregular sizes like a 46 A or a 32 E. If some perv is prowling the racks at Target, he’s not going to see those outsizes represented so coom brain assumes the larger the band, the bigger the cup.
 
A lot of these men think higher band size automatically equals larger cup size. “Oh I’m a barrel chested 48, must mean I’m a DD!” In part because of fetish, in part because they’ve no clue how to measure for a bra, and finally because, as most women know, it’s difficult to find irregular sizes like a 46 A or a 32 E. If some perv is prowling the racks at Target, he’s not going to see those outsizes represented so coom brain assumes the larger the band, the bigger the cup.
Either that or they get a small band size with a bigger cup size, then see if their mantits fits into the cup, and when it does, goes, EUREKA!! I'M ACTUALLY A C/D!! I mean, we are talking about troons. We all know the lengths they go to validate their delusion that they're hot, busty, sexy women.

But honestly, I've never seen a troon with bigger than maybe a B cup (cuz fat), unless they get implants. At most, they might see some growth, but if you see a troon showing off his massive titties, 100% of the time it's implants. Though I see enough troons trying to pass off their boob implants as "OMG HRT REALLY DOES TRANSFORM YOU!!" type shit. Again, what they preach is just magical thinking, and no different than weight loss products that transform a dumpy chubby chick into a curvaceous goddess.
 
I find a lot of butch females and FTM transgenders tend to look more androgynous than masculine in my honest opinion. Females who usually wear mens' clothes often tend to look more "gender-neutral", especially if they're very waifish and skinny.

For MTF's, there's always something that completely sticks out, no matter how feminine or female they try to look.

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I honestly couldn't tell if this was an FTM or MTF at first ngl. I think they're wearing a lot of clothing underneath to cover any features that give away their biological sex. But what gives it away is their facial structure.


I also saw this "nonbinary" dude as well.

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I actually thought they were a trans FTM, but it turns out they're visibly male.
 
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Before, photo taken on the cusp of Trump's presidency.
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I can believe the height loss (spinal collapse due to osteoporosis) but I have strong doubt about the D-cup.

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You can see this man is enjoying it very much.
How can he think he has D cups?! I can't say I quite understand face blindness, but I accept that it's a real thing that a small number of people (disproportionately troon) have. But does this person have boob blindness?
Troons thinking their manboobs are bigger than they really are is actually quite common. Our horrorcow Kevin Gibes loves to brag that he's a C cup, but it's quite obvious from his sad mantitties that he is probably an A when compared to his band size, and that he loves to stuff his bra.

You see plenty of tranny subs of them stating that it's possible to get D cups or bigger through HRT, because it all depends on how big your female relatives boobs are. Their delusional thinking is really fucking something.
I saw someone once, I won't say where, but who concluded he was a D cup because he wrapped some measuring tape around his chest as tight as possible, then around the further point of his moobs, and said "4 inch difference! See? I'm a D cup! Get fucked, TERFS!"
 
We didn't see this 20 years ago because kids didn't really have much choice to grin and bear it, until inevitably a few months passed and they realised the whole puberty thing goes pretty slowly, and all their other friends were changing too, and by the time puberty was well underway they'd kind of come to terms with the whole "growing up" thing. Now, you go on the internet as a 13 year old and type in "I'm scared of getting boobs" into google and up pop a slew of people telling you you're really a man, rather than pointing out that literally every other girl you know is feeling/has felt the same.
I'm pretty much sure that stuff like autism, anxiety, and trauma keep the theory of mind narrow enough not to be able to realize this fact. Autisms never get it and traumatized/mentally ill understand this too late in life.
 
There's a lot of things where it isn't advantageous to be a man, but there's a single one which is by far the hardest on women: reproduction. Men don't get pregnant, they don't have their bodies changed (sometimes permanently, as it happens to a lot of women - from stretch marks to fistulae, from the aesthetically unpleasing to the downright painful and/or lethal) and they don't feel any physical inconvenience caused by carrying a fetus inside them. A lot of women don't even have the luxury of feeling any pleasure when conceiving.

Men don't go through the pains of childbirth, they don't risk having their genitals torn and losing their capacity for sexual pleasure when their children are born, there won't be any doctor doing things they didn't consent to in a state of completely helplessness that might not only scar physically and mentally, but their child too. Men can't be victims of obstetric violence.

Men don't have the same level of attachment to their offspring - it's no wonder a lot more men leave for the proverbial pack of smokes to never come back than women. A man who abandons his child is just a deadbeat dad, a mother who does so is a monster. Men don't have their professional lives upended by having to raise children. Men can throw some money every month at their kids and see them only during the weekends and still be seen as a good dad and a desirable partner; women usually don't. If a man has a severely disabled child, there's no expectation he'll abandon his own life completely for decades to take care of the child.

If men don't want children, they can get a minimally-invasive surgery or wrap their penis with a thin layer of latex, which is nearly to no inconvenience compared to what a woman requires to not become pregnant: either complete celibacy, a highly invasive surgery - that might be denied to her even if she never had any desire to have kids for most of her life, sometimes she can't even make this choice without having her husband's formal permission - or taking hormones that might not even work (as there's a lot of trivial things that cancel the effect of contraceptive pills) and even give her something horrible like deep vein trombosis before her fifties.

All of that is terrifying for a lot of women, and I'd wager it's much scarier for women/girls who ARE educated. They know better what to expect in the worst case scenarios. It's no wonder they'd opt out of womanhood if they could.
I wonder if this is why so many straight teenage girls are trooning out. Women don’t have to be celibate to avoid pregnancy if they’re lesbians! (Also, have you never heard of diaphragms?)

At the upper echelons of society — upper/upper middle class, white, socially adept jocks/cheerleaders, being male is advantageous. At a certain level down, though, it is (overall) better to be a woman. (I am a woman, btw). Black women are much more likely to earn a degree and much less likely to be shot by the cops than black men. White men are more likely to die of deaths of despair than white women. Asian guys make money but dating for them is horrible. Dorky autistic girls see the cool popular guys and want to be them but don’t realize if they had been born male they’d still be dorky and autistic and likely struggling even more socially.
 
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