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It’s weird to me how normies totally buy the safety of puberty blockers and also accept that there’s tons of trans kids at risk from killing themselves, even though there weren’t 10 or 20 years ago.

I was on a group call last night and the stupid, no effort troon in the group brought up JK Rowling and the two other guys in the group (one is gay, one is straight) started going off on how awful TERFs are, but...I doubt they’d sleep with a troon. Also one of the girls in this group has said once ‘I want to sleep with a girl who doesn’t have a dick’ but shockingly hasn’t been cancelled. I don’t know why straight guys would be pro-troon, but then again I don’t know why anyone is.
 
I was on a group call last night and the stupid, no effort troon in the group brought up JK Rowling and the two other guys in the group (one is gay, one is straight) started going off on how awful TERFs are, but...I doubt they’d sleep with a troon. Also one of the girls in this group has said once ‘I want to sleep with a girl who doesn’t have a dick’ but shockingly hasn’t been cancelled. I don’t know why straight guys would be pro-troon, but then again I don’t know why anyone is.

Evangelicals burned her books because of magic and witches and now TRAs are burning her books because she's too grounded in reality. As the world turns.

Hairy Neovagina and the Sorceror's Glass Dilator would not be a best seller though
 
It'd probably dissuade most kids from transitioning. An orchiectomy or hysterectomy + bilateral salpingo-oopherectomy as first line is a bit more visceral and obviously permanent than taking GnRH agonists, especially when you're convinced GnRH agonists are reversible.

If you wanna be in you gotta be in for real
I mean the main problem is whether or not children can consent to any of this and where is the line to parental consent withdrawn. Parents can (and should) have the ability to force their kids to have medical procedures (Im thinking things like vaccines, corrective surgeries, etc) because of it were up to the kids, lots would die from preventable things. On the other hand I don’t think parents should be allowed to consent to purely aesthetic procedures. A nose job because your kid has collapsed septum’s is fine, but a nose job because she’s got a big honker isn’t. And being Trans seems to be mostly a cosmetic situation.

people also need to realize how much society, any society, has the ability to artificially reduce people’s choices. Are you getting blockers because you really feel like you need them, or because someone told you that you needed them? Again, it’s cosmetic, it’s not like a doctor telling you that you need insulin, Trans done “need” any of this.
 
I was on a group call last night and the stupid, no effort troon in the group brought up JK Rowling and the two other guys in the group (one is gay, one is straight) started going off on how awful TERFs are, but...I doubt they’d sleep with a troon.

I desperately wish I could find the twitter thread where some TERF asked Adrian Harrop if he would go down on a trans man and he called her a transphobe in lieu of answering the question. For all the ally virtue signaling, very few people actually want to do the nasty with troons and that's why they bitch so much about nobody wanting to sex them.

Shockingly, wanting to have sex (and who you want to have sex with) is one of the most base-level impulses that human beings have and it is difficult-to-impossible to shame them out of it.

TLDR: I am a straight woman and I want actual dick, not meat-tubes.
 
Honestly, they are probably no weaker than the average woman, but I don’t think men realize just how much of a strength difference between average men and woman. I have a somewhat physically demanding job as well and while I can lift and carry 50lb boxes for a bit, I can also watch while smaller male colleagues stack two of those boxes and lift and carry the whole damn thing and then go back and do that again and again. (yes im jealous).

I suspect that they aren’t prepared to suddenly lose so much muscle mass. And still act like they can do these things that they used to. Again, if they just SPOKE TO ACTUAL WOMEN I’m sure one would point out where the damn hand truck is kept.
 
Translation: Suggesting that I am not intrinsically "trans" makes me feel bad which makes it "transphobic."


Exhibit A for why "gender dysphoria" claims tend to be deceptive and shouldn't be automatically respected:

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Remilia? Nice account name brother. Amazing how embracing a deranged self-image that causes you to fixate on difficult or even unalterable traits results in worsening mental health.

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What if - just hear me out - there's no such thing as a "trans [person]" that exists prior to any (false) awareness and the dysphoria just emerges due to an ordinary conflict between pretension and reality.
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A classic case: Depressed (also obese and not gay per post history) with no real understanding of why, discovers trooning out and latches onto it with gusto. Now, instead of being depressed and insecure, he's gender dysphoric and insecure.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/k5ep93/cant_unsee_what_ive_seen/ (x)

Some schizo-posting:
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What if you felt bad because you're a heterosexual male who therefore likes being in female company?
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Summarizing: Possible autism or at least social issues of some sort, autogynephilia, mental health issues.

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Long hair => Girl. Right.
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A partial confirmation of the hypothesis that he's basically just schizo-posting about his childhood as a cope. I mean, what is more likely, that he was insecure about being fat or that subconscious intuitions were driving him towards wearing form fitting clothes since form fitting clothes = female even though that's not even true.

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Almost nothing femine [sic] about his profile. He is also autistic, diagnosed while a child as well which suggests that it was probably not a borderline case. If I had to guess, being autistic was probably why "the boys" didn't like him.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/k9db6u/unlocking_childhood/(x)

The whole thread is proof that this is almost correct:
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And I only say almost because it's entirely an exercise in confirmation bias; there is no sense of balance. The goal is explicitly to unearth something, anything really, and not to honestly appraise whether or not the recollections have any significance or to balance them off against the often more clearly "male" thoughts and habits.

This is the thinking made explicit:
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https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/k9db6u/unlocking_childhood/ (x)
I could, for example, play the exact same game, indeed everyone can do it since childhood is a curious time for everyone. I could recollect the time when I was four and an older cousin painted some of my toe nails and I thought it was pretty cool. I could take note of the fact that when I was five my best friend was a girl. Equally, I could forget that these were 'exceptions' - it's probably not even reasonable to call them that - in what was otherwise a very typical male childhood.

There's also the slightly amusing fact that they tend to misinterpret even specific events. Take the ever common "I played with a female avatar a lot" trope, it's true statistically that you are slightly more likely to play as a female avatar if you are female but it's equally true that nerds who play video games all day and for whom video games are almost their raison d'etre, are overwhelming male.
 

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It’s weird to me how normies totally buy the safety of puberty blockers and also accept that there’s tons of trans kids at risk from killing themselves, even though there weren’t 10 or 20 years ago.

I was on a group call last night and the stupid, no effort troon in the group brought up JK Rowling and the two other guys in the group (one is gay, one is straight) started going off on how awful TERFs are, but...I doubt they’d sleep with a troon. Also one of the girls in this group has said once ‘I want to sleep with a girl who doesn’t have a dick’ but shockingly hasn’t been cancelled. I don’t know why straight guys would be pro-troon, but then again I don’t know why anyone is.

I think there are a lot of pro-troon or at least troon-tolerant straight men simply because it doesn't affect them as much.
I imagine many straight men have male friends who transition, and they want to be supportive and TIF's, as others have said, are relatively easy to ignore. No fakeboi Aiden is gonna intimidate a grown man in the men's restroom, or bully a gay man into eating out her boy-pussy. (Of course, enough encounters with the later often turns gay men into TEHMs). Plus "TERF" is often used as just a term for "any woman I dislike," more often than not, so hating on TERFs basically gives a lot of men a way to bash women they dislike in a more PC-way than just calling them ugly bitches.
 
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Nice.

Worth noting that he probably still is a lot stronger than the average woman due to both having a physical job and strength not decaying that rapidly or necessarily even to the level of a woman. His issues might also be compounded by aging as well.

Also I couldn't help noticing that 'sluttysissykelly' has a posting history that is barely worse than OPs.

I think there are a lot of pro-troon or at least troon-tolerant straight men simply because it doesn't affect them as much.
I imagine many straight men have male friends who transition, and they want to be supportive and TIF's, as others have said, are relatively easy to ignore. No fakeboi Aiden is gonna intimidate a grown man in the men's restroom, or bully a gay man into eating out her boy-pussy. (Of course, enough encounters with the later often turns gay men into TEHMs). Plus "TERF" is often used as just a term for "any woman I dislike," more often than not, so hating on TERFs basically gives a lot of men a way to bash women they dislike in a more PC-way than just calling them ugly bitches.
It's this all the way down: https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15#.z5ry4bucq
 
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Nice.

Worth noting that he probably still is a lot stronger than the average woman due to both having a physical job and strength not decaying that rapidly or necessarily even to the level of a woman. His issues might also be compounded by aging as well.

Also I couldn't help noticing that 'sluttysissykelly' has a posting history that is barely worse than OPs.
Totally not a fetish, folks!
 
I would like you to realize how stupid this sounds.

Feminism is the advocacy of women's rights based on equality of sex. Even if it was used as an insult against men, saying that women can't be feminists is the pinnacle of retardation.
"I can't be a feminist because I'm a man"
Do you realise how fucking retarded and pointless that is.
"You see, I can't be fascist because I'm not Italian"

I'm merely asking you to apply basic logic, I'm aware leftists generally regard this as autistic, and considering Cohen research, that may be accurate.
The point is the label "feminist" started as an insult towards men, and exclusively men, it's a sort of "cuck" or "soyboy" which is hilarious as it accurately describes male feminists or "allies" such as you.
This word only got it's current meaning after McCarthyanism, and started being common during the 60s
Are you able to understand that there is no offense in labeling a woman as effeminate right?

There's a lot of label fuckery going on with you people, just like there're lots of label fuckery of going on with trannies, which is no surprising, considering your mindsets are more similar that you'd ever like to admit.
"hmts" "agts" "mlm" "ace" "terf" "tehs" "tim" "misogyny" "tif" all this sophistry is so fucking braindead, but it doesn't come as a surprise, considering that low t males and females are more prone to oversocialised schizotypal thinking.
There's no point in saying "there are no male feminists, they're allies", it's useless, in a perfect world you get the bullet regardless.
And don't get me started with this "advocacy of woman rights and gender equality", this is like saying that zionism is fighting antisemitism in the Middle East or that nazism is providing a future for white people. Honestly fuck off with your lies and propaganda. How do eugenics, gender profiling, depopulation, gender quotas and abortion further gender equality?

At the end of the day, I have no stake in this and I couldn't care less, but it's still catharsic, orgasmic even, to state obvious facts, to point to the gorilla in the room, and make a lot of leftist retards assblasted.
Give me all the negative internet points you want because I'm le top hat wearer, le cringe puzzle piece man bad or because le epic trash can, just remember that trannies are giving your movement what it fucking deserves, kill with the grift, die by the grift, now that's some Old Testament justice I can get behind.

Evangelicals burned her books because of magic and witches and now TRAs are burning her books because she's too grounded in reality. As the world turns.

Hairy Neovagina and the Sorceror's Glass Dilator would not be a best seller though
I still think you should read another book.
 
"I can't be a feminist because I'm a man"
Do you realise how fucking retarded and pointless that is.
"You see, I can't be fascist because I'm not Italian"

I'm merely asking you to apply basic logic, I'm aware leftists generally regard this as autistic, and considering Cohen research, that may be accurate.
The point is the label "feminist" started as an insult towards men, and exclusively men, it's a sort of "cuck" or "soyboy" which is hilarious as it accurately describes male feminists or "allies" such as you.
This word only got it's current meaning after McCarthyanism, and started being common during the 60s.
Do you realize that wasn't the point? I wasn't arguing whether men can or can't be feminists, I was pointing out that women can most certainly be feminists.

If you're referring to my earlier comment about telling people I'm not a TERF because I'm male, and your reasoning is somehow because "feminist" it's used as an insult against men, therefore men can be feminists, then dann. If I get called a nigger, I can be black, according to your logic.

Are you able to understand that there is no offense in labeling a woman as effeminate right?

What the hell are you on? Feminism isn't about being effeminate.


You came from 4chan, didn't you?
 
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Some of those reasons are just so....wow. I mean you really can’t think of any other reason you might have been sad the friend group you were hanging out with deserted you and left you all alone? The only reason it bothered you was because they were having a girls dinner?
I think just about anyone can think back to something in childhood they did or thought that didn’t perfectly fit the gender norm. I’m a very girly girl but when I was seven I dressed up as Dracula for Halloween. I remember thinking I looked like a boy with all my hair slicked back and I loved it. To me, Dracula was a boy so me looking like a boy meant I looked like Dracula. I thought it was so cool.

It’s sad how these guys clearly can’t see how hard they’re reaching for ‘justification’. It also strangely proves that even troons think it’s weird that you could live as a cis person just fine for decades and then suddenly realize you’re the wrong gender. If you really had the mind of the opposite gender you’d think it would be pretty damn obvious early on. Of course, they can’t say that- that would be gatekeeping trans people and that’s like the worst thing you can do!
 
"I can't be a feminist because I'm a man"
Do you realise how fucking retarded and pointless that is.
"You see, I can't be fascist because I'm not Italian"

I'm merely asking you to apply basic logic, I'm aware leftists generally regard this as autistic, and considering Cohen research, that may be accurate.
The point is the label "feminist" started as an insult towards men, and exclusively men, it's a sort of "cuck" or "soyboy" which is hilarious as it accurately describes male feminists or "allies" such as you.
This word only got it's current meaning after McCarthyanism, and started being common during the 60s
Are you able to understand that there is no offense in labeling a woman as effeminate right?

There's a lot of label fuckery going on with you people, just like there're lots of label fuckery of going on with trannies, which is no surprising, considering your mindsets are more similar that you'd ever like to admit.
"hmts" "agts" "mlm" "ace" "terf" "tehs" "tim" "misogyny" "tif" all this sophistry is so fucking braindead, but it doesn't come as a surprise, considering that low t males and females are more prone to oversocialised schizotypal thinking.
There's no point in saying "there are no male feminists, they're allies", it's useless, in a perfect world you get the bullet regardless.
And don't get me started with this "advocacy of woman rights and gender equality", this is like saying that zionism is fighting antisemitism in the Middle East or that nazism is providing a future for white people. Honestly fuck off with your lies and propaganda. How do eugenics, gender profiling, depopulation, gender quotas and abortion further gender equality?

At the end of the day, I have no stake in this and I couldn't care less, but it's still catharsic, orgasmic even, to state obvious facts, to point to the gorilla in the room, and make a lot of leftist retards assblasted.
Give me all the negative internet points you want because I'm le top hat wearer, le cringe puzzle piece man bad or because le epic trash can, just remember that trannies are giving your movement what it fucking deserves, kill with the grift, die by the grift, now that's some Old Testament justice I can get behind.


I still think you should read another book.
Hi.
Please stop shitting up this thread with your personal vendetta against liberlols.
Thanks.
 
Do you realize that wasn't the point? I wasn't arguing whether men can or can't be feminists, I was pointing out that women can most certainly be feminists.

If you're referring to my earlier comment about telling people I'm not a TERF because I'm male, and your reasoning is somehow because "feminist" it's used as an insult against men, therefore men can be feminists, then dann. If I get called a nigger, I can be black, according to your logic.



What the hell are you on? Feminism isn't about being effeminate.


You came from 4chan, didn't you?
Please tell me more about how feminism is about living in a society and how unfuckable femcels are the most oppresed minority.
Hi.
Please stop shitting up this thread with your personal vendetta against liberlols.
Thanks.
Understandable, I will stop doing that, sorry for party rocking.
It was a ben saphiro heated gaming moment.
 
Translation: Suggesting that I am not intrinsically "trans" makes me feel bad which makes it "transphobic."


Exhibit A for why "gender dysphoria" claims tend to be deceptive and shouldn't be automatically respected:

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Remilia? Nice account name brother. Amazing how embracing a deranged self-image that causes you to fixate on difficult or even unalterable traits results in worsening mental health.

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What if - just hear me out - there's no such thing as a "trans [person]" that exists prior to any (false) awareness and the dysphoria just emerges due to an ordinary conflict between pretension and reality.
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A classic case: Depressed (also obese and not gay per post history) with no real understanding of why, discovers trooning out and latches onto it with gusto. Now, instead of being depressed and insecure, he's gender dysphoric and insecure.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/k5ep93/cant_unsee_what_ive_seen/ (x)

Some schizo-posting:
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What if you felt bad because you're a heterosexual male who therefore likes being in female company?
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Summarizing: Possible autism or at least social issues of some sort, autogynephilia, mental health issues.

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Long hair => Girl. Right.
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A partial confirmation of the hypothesis that he's basically just schizo-posting about his childhood as a cope. I mean, what is more likely, that he was insecure about being fat or that subconscious intuitions were driving him towards wearing form fitting clothes since form fitting clothes = female even though that's not even true.

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Almost nothing femine [sic] about his profile. He is also autistic, diagnosed while a child as well which suggests that it was probably not a borderline case. If I had to guess, being autistic was probably why "the boys" didn't like him.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/k9db6u/unlocking_childhood/(x)

The whole thread is proof that this is almost correct:
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And I only say almost because it's entirely an exercise in confirmation bias; there is no sense of balance. The goal is explicitly to unearth something, anything really, and not to honestly appraise whether or not the recollections have any significance or to balance them off against the often more clearly "male" thoughts and habits.

This is the thinking made explicit:
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https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/k9db6u/unlocking_childhood/ (x)
I could, for example, play the exact same game, indeed everyone can do it since childhood is a curious time for everyone. I could recollect the time when I was four and an older cousin painted some of my toe nails and I thought it was pretty cool. I could take note of the fact that when I was five my best friend was a girl. Equally, I could forget that these were 'exceptions' - it's probably not even reasonable to call them that - in what was otherwise a very typical male childhood.

There's also the slightly amusing fact that they tend to misinterpret even specific events. Take the ever common "I played with a female avatar a lot" trope, it's true statistically that you are slightly more likely to play as a female avatar if you are female but it's equally true that nerds who play video games all day and for whom video games are almost their raison d'etre, are overwhelming male.
Protip: if you are one guy in a group of girls and they want to split off from you to have a “girls dinner” it means you’re there because they pity you. Women will 100% separate from men in groups. think a few couples hanging out or a mixed group of friends. But they aren’t going to do that if you’re the ONE guy and you’re really their friend.

Some of those reasons are just so....wow. I mean you really can’t think of any other reason you might have been sad the friend group you were hanging out with deserted you and left you all alone? The only reason it bothered you was because they were having a girls dinner?
I think just about anyone can think back to something in childhood they did or thought that didn’t perfectly fit the gender norm. I’m a very girly girl but when I was seven I dressed up as Dracula for Halloween. I remember thinking I looked like a boy with all my hair slicked back and I loved it. To me, Dracula was a boy so me looking like a boy meant I looked like Dracula. I thought it was so cool.

It’s sad how these guys clearly can’t see how hard they’re reaching for ‘justification’. It also strangely proves that even troons think it’s weird that you could live as a cis person just fine for decades and then suddenly realize you’re the wrong gender. If you really had the mind of the opposite gender you’d think it would be pretty damn obvious early on. Of course, they can’t say that- that would be gatekeeping trans people and that’s like the worst thing you can do!
Fun fact: I enjoy ballroom dancing, but after marrying, aging and fattening out of the ideal dance girl it became very difficult to get a lead to dance with me for more than one pathetic dance.
So I went and learned how to lead. And, in the before times, I’d slick back my hair, don a suit, and fake men’s shoes (Ive got big girl feet but shit men’s feet are huge) and go out dancing dressed as a man. It was a lot easier asking girls (follows) to dance as there’s always a ton of them, and I began enjoying dance much more.

I’m not trans. I’m not even a lesbian. Sometimes it’s just fun to go out dressed up and play pretend for a bit. There are men who dress in drag for fun to and temporarily take on female pronouns for their character, but they aren’t trans.


Simply having worn the clothes of the opposite sex and thinking you looked good means Jack shit.
 
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