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When you think you've already seen the worst, along comes Caitlin
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invalidating everyone in one fell swoop :story:
pretty amazing that the only users allowed to specify they don't do dick have one attached
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reddit would refer to this moment of clarity and honest self-awareness as internalized transphobia
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more dawning realizations + based wives
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major feels for his daughters
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Jade has already made it into a previous post but if you missed him, the chin is next fucking level
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"Basically, I'm a lost, confused trans girl (I'm a 14 year old trapped in a 40 year old body)"
bro you are a 6'2" hulking married man in leggings. I hope his wife joins the Based Wives club, stat
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Destiny, if you see this, don't put your personal email in a dating profile. Also, invest in a decent wig at least.
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"What am I doing wrong?" it asks.

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Yet another ginger male market failure is upset that despite being on HRT for 1.5 years, people just don't get that he's a troon! How can you not see the feminine energy radiating from this stunning and brave ectomorphic long-head wombyn?

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Oh, and he'd hate for you to mistake him for a fag, because he's not into men, dammit!

I’d hate to say it but, welcome to being an ugly girl?
Every woman knows that petite pixies of girls can get away with yoga pants and a tee shirt and look cute. But those same clothes on a big girl (I’m not even saying fat, just an Eastern European behemoth) and the look gets a lot more sloppy.

if a (cis) woman has masculine features (kind folks will say you have “strong” features) well guess what, you have to try extra hard to be viewed as femme and rush being viewed as butch if you go out in denims and a tee.

being perceived as feminine is a challenge for actual women! And these guys think they can waltz in with some lip gloss and a shitty thin tee and suddenly they will be perceived as femme? Nah man. If you are a girl you’re an ugly one. And adolescence for girls is allllll about finding that out!
 
As many probably know - I have been doing some deep (DEEP) research into gender issues. I have found/coaxed out some very interesting things that might interest a few of you. A fairly detailed ramble, some nuggets i think.

Fig. 1 (origins and now)

Now - I was searching for the original diagnosis criteria of "Transsexualism" in the 1940s and I cannot find the exact criteria BUT this does article i found setting out the new agenda pretty much allows one to piece it together a little;
'Abandon the psychopathological model of transgender people based on 1940s' - BPB.de

Lower down the page, a section of interest-

"Why is it important to change the current name and classification?"

'A combined stigmatization of being transgender and of having a mental disorder diagnosis creates a doubly burdensome situation for this population that contributes adversely to their health as well as to their enjoyment and attainment of human rights. For example, transgender people are much more likely to be denied care in general medical or community-based settings given the perception that they must be treated by psychiatric specialists, even for conditions that have nothing to do with being transgender. Difficulty in obtaining transition related services has also led some transgender people, out of desperation, to expose themselves to significant harm, including HIV infection, through the use of black or gray market hormones, sometimes injected, and thus creating a larger public health problem.'

That first sentence is the most intriguing. Being transgender was viewed as a mental health issue, and part of this change of view was to un-attach the stigma. I wish i could find the actual original documents, I've searched around everywhere and can find nothing. Not even a psychologists name or identity - which is kind of suspicious i guess.

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Fig 2. (pre transgender-normalization, 1950s-1990s)

Biographies (& other first hand accounts of varying credibility) - I have read books from April Ashley and others, corresponded with a fair bunch of MtFs. The most intriguing find was every single one of these transsexuals had been born with a genetic defect. Klinefelter's syndrome. It's a genetic condition in which boys are born with extra X chromosome(s) instead of the usual XY - a single 'X' and a 'Y'. More than one extra 'X' and things like mental disabilities are likely to be a more common occurrence*.

Now. I have managed to have these things confirmed from various sources - ONE. A singular lone doctor and his assistants was the only person to ever perform successful male to female sex reassignment surgeries. His name was Dr. Georges Burou, located in Casablanca. Previously all techniques had failed or slowly killed the patients.

Most transsexual patients suffered from intersex conditions, had been suicidal for reasons of "feeling in the wrong body", Klinefelters being the most common intersex condition. but Klinefelters can cause low intelligence, mental retardation and even people born with it can have autism too as it is more likely. Do you see my correlation?

Sexual abuse was also a theme that occurs quite a lot, in my outlets of research. One such person was anally raped for being too feminine as a teenager before they transitioned. Trauma is known to manifest with a disconnect between the body and mind functioning, with some symptoms you could describe as being "dysphoria" if the sexual organ was related to the traumatic situation.

A few people said they felt as if they'd been brainwashed. But view it as maybe "internalized" phobias. Gas-lighting (which can be an element of abuse) is linked to the victim feeling "brainwashed", just an embryo of a subject there for the reader (you)

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Fig. 3 (spiritualism, sexuality and life)

Spiritualism - seems to subconsciously spill out in relation to transgender/transsexual issues. Many I have spoken to feel that their 'soul' is of a woman. Now anyone can ask "what does that mean?" - I asked that too. We don't even know if souls are a thing. Scientists agree that human consciousness is all just an illusion caused by the combination of the neuron paths that control the functions of our bodies.
Subconscious - 'naturally acquired' meaning of depth found in spiritualism can also be born from childhood traumas. A child that is lost finding some meaning in a 'soul' in which they wish to reflect their identity, possibly including the exterior appearance.

Sexuality - Many over the age of 30 were gay men. Or straight women. A majority of under 30s seemed to have been straight men, or lesbian women. - This is from my tiny sample size of research (around 42 individual MTF people). Take from that what you'd like.

Life - So many variables. Finding a sexual partner post-op seemed to be an issue. One story from a lady recounts that she met a very handsome and wealthy man that loved her with a penis. She had the surgery and he decided he didn't like her anymore. Wealthy 'deviants' seemed to have been common figures in older peoples stories. Men intrigued by these 'exotic' brand of woman, almost.

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Conclusion;

Klinefelters, low intelligence, autism paired with some kind of sexual trauma likely caused dysphoria for some people. Again there's still a 1% thing i cannot explain nor find an answer for. Maybe it is spiritual? Guess we will never know.

Redefinition of transsexualism/transgenderism was more damaging than helpful, as AGPs could slide in and use it for their gain.

Also - I will say. Doing all of this research, months of it. Really months, this is a tiny slice of what i could say. Speaking to many transgender people of all ages and reading many books from people of a background to do with this issue - did make me respect some of them a bit. Weirdly a lot of these people reside in Canada!

Magnificent work. It's approximately impossible to have this discussion reasonably when merely questioning the wisdom of certain approaches to treating dysphoria constitutes LIDDERULL MURDER.

A YouTuber who formerly went by Ryan Barnes (I've since lost track of her since she became a Twitch thot but I know she is going by something else now) is a Female-to-Male-back-to-Female trans had an interesting take that Planned Parenthood is too loose with the hormones without first trying to assess non-gender-related issues that might be misinterpreted as gender dysphoria.
 
Ah yes. That standard part of female adolescence where you have to announce to everyone you're a girl. They'll never know otherwise.
I went to high school in the 80s when hair bands were popular and boys grew their hair out long and feathered it. The standard highschool uniform for boys was t-shirt, open button up shirt, jeans and big shoes or boots. I dressed like the boys, I was a tomboy. I was never misgendered. Because I was a girl.

You just have to look at a kid as early as middle school (or younger?) and you can tell if they're a boy or girl. The idea that males think they can pass as women just by using makeup and long hair is crazy. It's basically just delusional. Don't get me started on the ones that still have a full beard and don't try at all and expect you to use she/her.

Sorry if TMI, I'm too old for this shit.
 
Every woman knows that petite pixies of girls can get away with yoga pants and a tee shirt and look cute.
Yoga pants look ok on thin/athletic adult women no matter their height but they must be paired with a short, form-fitting sleeveless top or bra that leaves the upper belly bare. T-shirt and yoga pants only look ok on actual female children, because normal people don't wonder if children are hot. Long and/or loose T-shirts on adults require shorts or loose pants.

(That said, fatties should wear whatever they want while exercising. They won't look good, of course - the best they can aim for while fat is "admirable".)
 
Magnificent work. It's approximately impossible to have this discussion reasonably when merely questioning the wisdom of certain approaches to treating dysphoria constitutes LIDDERULL MURDER.

A YouTuber who formerly went by Ryan Barnes (I've since lost track of her since she became a Twitch thot but I know she is going by something else now) is a Female-to-Male-back-to-Female trans had an interesting take that Planned Parenthood is too loose with the hormones without first trying to assess non-gender-related issues that might be misinterpreted as gender dysphoria.
Honestly it is eye-opening. There's a pretty obvious divide in what gender dysphoria was and now is. reclassification doesn't always optimize a diagnosis OR actually help (in this case, it isn't helping anyone, I don't think)

Really (and i've said this before) - I think likely 97% of these people have some kind of trauma. Hearing life stories and context along with it really do make you think "huh?", but this 'escape' did work for some people. I don't know how much of it is a facade with the people I corresponded with.

A scroll through most Reddit accounts that frequent trans subs and you can see there's a pre-existing mental issue that doesn't necessarily stem from being a closeted minority. I wanted to dig a bit deeper than just Reddit and find... maybe the word would be - valid experiences, no glorified social media ready perspectives.

The people I've spoken to were very gracious. Older people much more so. I was trying to be careful, and avoid typing out a MASSIVE essay as i don't really want to drag anyone into the firing line.

Emails, messages and web forums by the thousands. Touching stories and perspectives. I cried reading some of the stuff forwarded to me, It's almost spiritual for some of these people. It runs really deep for some.

When i manage to finally find the old medical texts with the original 1940s psychological profile, It will really complete the puzzle - I think. It's a shame i can't question/interview any old-school psychologists that dealt with it.

AND YES. Ryan Barnes. Very interesting perspective. There's a couple of FTMTF people on YT saying some really insane stuff. Not a single hoop to get HRT in some cases!
 
I went to high school in the 80s when hair bands were popular and boys grew their hair out long and feathered it. The standard highschool uniform for boys was t-shirt, open button up shirt, jeans and big shoes or boots. I dressed like the boys, I was a tomboy. I was never misgendered. Because I was a girl.

You just have to look at a kid as early as middle school (or younger?) and you can tell if they're a boy or girl. The idea that males think they can pass as women just by using makeup and long hair is crazy. It's basically just delusional. Don't get me started on the ones that still have a full beard and don't try at all and expect you to use she/her.

Sorry if TMI, I'm too old for this shit.
You’re right though. It wasn’t till my friends started having kids that I realized how early you could tell boys from girls. Up until 6-7 it was all social cues. Sure there were some mental differences, but it was harder to tell, especially if you ignored haircuts and clothes. Around 7-8 though there were changes. Subtle yes but boys got harder features and girls kept softer ones.
Honestly I thought they would both be adorable squishy kids till puberty, but it starts way way earlier than thato

Yoga pants look ok on thin/athletic adult women no matter their height but they must be paired with a short, form-fitting sleeveless top or bra that leaves the upper belly bare. T-shirt and yoga pants only look ok on actual female children, because normal people don't wonder if children are hot. Long and/or loose T-shirts on adults require shorts or loose pants.

(That said, fatties should wear whatever they want while exercising. They won't look good, of course - the best they can aim for while fat is "admirable".)
As a fatty I can assure you, those of us who exercise (rather than take insta pics) choose workout clothing to keep shit contained, looks don’t really fit into it. (May I suggest Enell bras for my fellow fat ladies? You will look like a potato, but your boobs will STAY PUT. )
 
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I went to high school in the 80s when hair bands were popular and boys grew their hair out long and feathered it. The standard highschool uniform for boys was t-shirt, open button up shirt, jeans and big shoes or boots. I dressed like the boys, I was a tomboy. I was never misgendered. Because I was a girl.

You just have to look at a kid as early as middle school (or younger?) and you can tell if they're a boy or girl. The idea that males think they can pass as women just by using makeup and long hair is crazy. It's basically just delusional. Don't get me started on the ones that still have a full beard and don't try at all and expect you to use she/her.

Sorry if TMI, I'm too old for this shit.
I've been in the metal scene longer than some of these troons have been alive. Long hair and even face paint and eyeliner do not cover the tells.

You’re right though. It wasn’t till my friends started having kids that I realized how early you could tell boys from girls. Up until 6-7 it was all social cues. Sure there were some mental differences, but it was harder to tell, especially if you ignored haircuts and clothes. Around 7-8 though there were changes. Subtle yes but boys got harder features and girls kept softer ones.
Honestly I thought they would both be adorable squishy kids till puberty, but it starts way way earlier than thato
Male bodies start producing androgens almost as soon as they hit second trimester in utero. It takes a while for the changes to build up, at which point it's usually about time for the rest of the system to wake up for puberty.
 
You’re right though. It wasn’t till my friends started having kids that I realized how early you could tell boys from girls. Up until 6-7 it was all social cues. Sure there were some mental differences, but it was harder to tell, especially if you ignored haircuts and clothes. Around 7-8 though there were changes. Subtle yes but boys got harder features and girls kept softer ones.
Honestly I thought they would both be adorable squishy kids till puberty, but it starts way way earlier than thato
I didn't realize how early you could tell the difference until I clocked a trans kid at Disney a few years ago. He was probably about 8 or 9 dressed in girly clothes and had a girly haircut, but was quite obviously male. I felt bad that he has such shit parents.
 
I've been in the metal scene longer than some of these troons have been alive. Long hair and even face paint and eyeliner do not cover the tells.


Male bodies start producing androgens almost as soon as they hit second trimester in utero. It takes a while for the changes to build up, at which point it's usually about time for the rest of the system to wake up for puberty.
Well yes there are very VERY obvious differences between baby boys and baby girls but I was leaving that part out! Consider my rant about more secondary sexual characteristics. I’ve seen 10yo boys with flaring jawlines. You just don’t get that in girls or women.
 
Well yes there are very VERY obvious differences between baby boys and baby girls but I was leaving that part out! Consider my rant about more secondary sexual characteristics. I’ve seen 10yo boys with flaring jawlines. You just don’t get that in girls or women.
The secondary characteristics is what I was talking about. Human males are technically developing their secondary sex characteristics their entire childhood, it's just the most obvious changes happen during puberty.
 
Male bodies start producing androgens almost as soon as they hit second trimester in utero. It takes a while for the changes to build up, at which point it's usually about time for the rest of the system to wake up for puberty.

All true. And this is why "pediatric transitioner" MTFs like Jazz Jennings and Kim Petras who supposedly never went through a male puberty and passed pretty well as teens continue to virilize and develop male secondary sexual characteristics even post-castration.
 
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