2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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Alternative remedy?
The court hands down a specific interpretation of "address" to be used earlier on, the WEC guidelines are changed to reflect what the ruling states the interpretation of the legislation should be, and clerks are expressly told what they can and can not do in the future. You could also get the court to compel an audit to find ballots which had information inserted based on handwriting, and you could attempt to use that audit's results to argue that a great number of unacceptable ballots had been factually cast.
The reason they aren't going for that line of argument? They want to throw out the ones that were legally cast, too. They want to throw out the ones that didn't have two letters or a zip code put in, and you know it, because that's what you want, too. because you know those ballots favor your opponent more.

You tried that argument - "all ballots are in question, all must be tossed," knowing full-well that Trump would get an advantage from it and most of these people would have corrected their ballot if given the chance. You are trying to invalidate the votes of thousands of Americans who did nothing wrong. And you got called out and slapped down 4-3.

So the court is right when it agrees with you, and wrong when it doesn't? Get bent.
in other words, there is no remedy for violations in this election where the violations occured because orange man bad. sure builds the case that democrats purposefully mixed ballots because the courts would be hesistent to throw them out.

the only remedy is to throw out everything because the democrats didnt seperate anything, didnt record anything the first go around.
 
Ok, bear in mind that my opinion on the election overall still stands, but this is fucking gay

This is pure optics to make everyone too dumb enough to look into this really believe trump won those states so they high five themselves until they inevitably turn on the news and see that it didn't actually happen that way. They will know they were lied to at some point, but will believe the wrong people.

You guys wanna talk about narrative control? HELLO!!! It's happening right in front of your eyes, right now!
Gee, it’s almost like Trump and the GOP have been lying to you for years about shit and you’re only now realizing they’re doing the exact thing they claim everyone else is doing but not them? What a surprise.
 
Why are people freaking out over this, this is a lot more fun than if there was only one slate of electors sent for each state. Besides, this wasn't exactly unpredictable, credit to @Gustav Schuchardt (iirc) for posting this pdf earlier where someone went over this exact possibility a year prior. We're on KF, this kind of autistic bullshit is exactly what makes this election entertaining so far and I hope Jan 6th is as much as a shitshow as I've been predicting it would be
 

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Gee, it’s almost like Trump and the GOP have been lying to you for years about shit and you’re only now realizing they’re doing the exact thing they claim everyone else is doing but not them? What a surprise.
Everybody lies, don't pretend like you've made a realization dawn on me. All that is happening right now is someone pulled an ace out of their sleeve and everyone wants to pretend like that's totally normal when in this instance, it shouldn't be. I'm baffled by that and that alone.
 
Why are people freaking out over this, this is a lot more fun than if there was only one slate of electors sent for each state. Besides, this wasn't exactly unpredictable, credit to @Gustav Schuchardt (iirc) for posting this pdf earlier where someone went over this exact possibility a year prior. We're on KF, this kind of autistic bullshit is exactly what makes this election entertaining so far and I hope Jan 6th is as much as a shitshow as I've been predicting it would be
It's still only one set of electors. The state is the one who picks the official electors. The GOP ran their own show electoral vote, which means as much as us Kiwi Farmers holding our own electoral vote.

The Hulkster has been right about nearly everything so far. Trust the Hulkster on this one.
 
in other words, there is no remedy for violations in this election where the violations occured because orange man bad. sure builds the case that democrats purposefully mixed ballots because the courts would be hesistent to throw them out.

the only remedy is to throw out everything because the democrats didnt seperate anything, didnt record anything the first go around.

Well, by this argument, yes! See, you had literally years to correct these potential problems, which would have happened in every election leading up to this one. That's laches.

But you could try to argue that enough fraud happened here that the results should be overturned. This case would argue that ballots treated this way are totally invalid on an arcane technicality regarding putting a zip code or the state's two letters in, and could then use that to try to find via handwriting differences enough of these potentially fraudulent ballots to throw enough suspicion.

Speaking of, how many of these ballots are you alleging exist? 400? 4000? 4? Oh, right, "I dunno." "Maybe a whole lot." Yeah, real solid grounds to throw out 200k which predominantly went to your opponent.
Adding in a state or a zip code is such a minor item that of course no-one would fucking record it, particularly given that this conflict between the WEC guidelines and a specific reading of legislation wasn't brought up until now. And by this court's ruling, STILL isn't an issue, because the court wasn't issuing a judgment on the correct interpretation of that legislation. It's not that you failed to prove there were a ton of fraudulent ballots with this case; you failed to prove that they could even be called fraudulent.

And why wasn't this a problem when Trump won the state in 2016; why didn't you handle it then, when the republicans purposefully mixed ballots because courts would be hesitant to throw those out?

In other words, yes, you lost fair and square and on every single challenge to that idea thusfar.
 
Ok, bear in mind that my opinion on the election overall still stands, but this is fucking gay

This is pure optics to make everyone too dumb enough to look into this really believe trump won those states so they high five themselves until they inevitably turn on the news and see that it didn't actually happen that way. They will know they were lied to at some point, but will blame the wrong people.

You guys wanna talk about narrative control? HELLO!!! It's happening right in front of your eyes, right now!
Narrative control isn't necessarily a bad thing if it's wielded well (though, I guess I'm speaking in perspective of the aims of a group). Problem is the Democrats wield it towards bad ends and the Republicans aren't as good at it (and even if they were, they'd probably be as bad as the Democrats as it stands).

Nobody's gonna actually think Trump won those states (at least, not in an indisputable way like he won, say, Kansas)-- at its worst (and most likely), it's a show, and at its "best" it's keeping the dispute up for deliberation by the Senate when they count the EC votes. What aggravates me is that that means that if you want any chance for the GOPe to not weenie out, they have to win the GA runoffs. But regardless of how Trump and co.'s lawsuits were dismissed, or the objective reality of the allegations posed, as it stands there's not much solid ground (i.e. lawsuits won) to reject votes from contested states, and while it may endear the GOPe to much of their rank-and-file, it'll either look despotic if they throw out those votes or it'll otherwise be cast as such by the news media, which would make the seats of a significant amount of GOP senators vulnerable in the midterms and beyond-- not to mention that it can be done right back to them in the future.

(Now I'm told the competing elector lists thing happened in 1876, and I thought that myself initially, but I wasn't able to verify.)
 
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