1 killed, 2 in custody after gunfire erupts near downtown Denver rallies - ah shit here we go again

1 killed, 2 in custody after gunfire erupts near downtown Denver rallies - ah shit here we go again​

Police took two people into custody after a shooting occurred near the Colorado state Capitol that involved opposing protest groups

By: Bob D'Angelo, Cox Media Group National Content Desk
Updated: October 10, 2020 - 4:43 PM

DENVER — One person was killed and two people are in custody on Saturday after gunfire erupted near an area where protests between opposing groups in downtown Denver were occurring, authorities said.


The shooting occurred in the courtyard of the Denver Art Museum, KCNC reported.


A man participating in a “Patriot Rally,” which also included self-described Black Lives Matter-antifa protesters, sprayed mace at another man, according to the Denver Post. The man sprayed by mace then shot the first protester with a handgun, the newspaper reported.



The victim, whose identity has not been released, was transported to an area hospital and was later pronounced dead, KCNC reported.

https://twitter.com/denverpost/status/1315053544890826753

One of the two persons taken into custody was not involved in the shooting, according to the Denver Police Department.

According to a later tweet from police, “further investigation has determined the (other) suspect is a private security guard with no affiliation with antifa.”

Officials said more information will be released “as it becomes available.”

https://twitter.com/DenverPolice/status/1315046508572491776

The Patriot Rally was scheduled for 2 p.m. local time, KUSA reported. The counter protest, called a “BLM-Antifa Soup Drive,” began 30 minutes earlier at Civic Center Park, which is located next to the state Capitol, the television station reported.

Police, who earlier fired what appeared to be pepper balls at the leftist protest group, said they were working on a homicide investigation, the Post reported.

Several Denver police officers in riot gear were on the scene when the shooting occurred, KMGH reported. Witnesses said the victim was shot at point-blank range, the television station reported.

The Denver Police Department did not provide specifics about the shooting but released a statement.

“The Denver Police Department respects the right to peacefully assemble,” the statement read. “Those who participate in protests, demonstrations, marches, or other gatherings, as protected by the First Amendment, are reminded to do so in a lawful manner. Individuals who choose to act outside of local, state and federal law, will be subject to citation or arrest.”

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Viddy: https://twitter.com/i/status/1315110109303824384

Media is in full damage control, the shooter was a "random security guard" who attacked in "self defence" after being maced and is not affiliated with Antifa because Antifa does not exist and is just an idea.

Also Twitter celebrating the kill.

 

[Kulee Baba]

These days, thanks to a multitude of government agencies abandoning their duty to keep these protests from becoming free-for-alls, the bar for "I was in fear of my life" is a lot lower than it SHOULD be, it used to be that shooting someone who punched you was a clear over-reaction because the thought was always "You think you were going to be beaten to death there on the sidewalk of a major city with police nearby?"

However, nowadays, with DAs and Mayors giving their full backing to certain groups, defunding the police and refusing to prosecute anyone with the "right" views (or railroad anyone with the wrong ones, even if they have to invent the evidence in the crime lab later) then I'd say yes, it is a reasonable assumption that you may in fact be beaten to death at a "protest" and nothing will happen to the one who did it, so shooting a person who strikes the first blow against you, no matter how seemingly inconsequential, is now a more viable and more excusable option.

The system is breaking down due to incompetence/malice by those that run it, and average people having about a quarter second to decide if they should employ lethal force or not is the result.

Anyone mad at this shooting needs to be even MADDER at the Mayors and DAs that have allowed this to become the new normal, in the hopes the system COMPLETELY breaks down so they can abandon Constitutionality completely and prosecute their political rivals and demographic enemies for wrongthink under the guise of fighting white supremacy... it's sickening.

When the courts decided to go woke, it was all over as far as expecting any sane treatment under the law...

Excellent post, the other thing I'm wondering is if the rumors are true that the shooter instigated the situation. Some rumblings online claimed he tried to grab the mace out of the guy's hands, well in that case he could be seen as an instigator and then lethal force is not justified. I cannot just go up to Tyrone, start slapping him, then pull out a 1911 when I start losing the fight.

The guard should have grabbed his VIP and gotten the hell away from there. Also I don't hear him yelling "Get back or I will shoot" or any attempts to deescalate the situation which truly makes me think he was a trigger happy. Also he knew the old fat guy had mace which isn't a deadly weapon so I feel the grounds for "Fear of bodily harm" is greatly diminished. Especially when you can just get away from bear mace. It isn't life or death like him holding a club, knife, or obviously a gun.

 

[TowinKarz]

Also he knew the old fat guy had mace which isn't a deadly weapon so I feel the grounds for "Fear of bodily harm" is greatly diminished. Especially when you can just get away from bear mace. It isn't life or death like him holding a club, knife, or obviously a gun.

I agree with all... but this.

These days, being maced at a riot is a precursor to then being jumped on when the ANTIFA smell blood (a "Nazi" in distress) If the riots hadn't become so pervasive and violent, I'd agree, but these days, when anyone staggered gets jumped by 20 suddenly-emboldened soy boys looking to unlock the "Actually beat a Nazi" achievement, you BET I'd be on the side of someone who reacted to being maced with lethal force.

 

[Crazedking]

Well from what information available it looks like a clean shoot. If you get slapped around and then maced, i think you should be in your rights to stand your ground and shoot back. Time for the specific area,s laws to take the facts found into account and determine the guy,s guilt.

IF there are more facts that were to come out, i could change opinion but this really does seem like a clean shoot even if the guy is an antifag. The only thing that really sucks is having to play agaisnt a side that doesnt mind using double standards and if you lower yourself to their levels then you basically already lost the ideological battle. The shooter will have its day in courts, thats all i would expects for everyone.

 

[Arminius]

Granted I live in a different state so my understanding of the law regarding self defense is tainted by those laws and might not be applicable but here you need to meet force with EQUAL force. Force legally includes verbal commands and hand gestures, everyone everywhere knows the hand gesture for stop. You are only able to use lethal force in specific circumstances too, ie. stopping an arson, rape, kidnapping or lethal force directed at you or someone else. Being a security guard he may arguably be held to a higher standard since in training (hopefully) he was trained on the applicable laws.

Most corporate security companies will not let you carry something "tactical" like he had, they'd want you to be able to hit the target without the assistance of a laser or red dot. These companies usually have a strict policy on what type of guns you can carry while on duty, usually requiring certain calibers, a decocker or "trigger safety". Regardless of the company policy he will be fired from that job as they wouldn't want their name in the press. Plus as security guard you can get open carry permits for when you're on duty even in the most restrictive states. The issue I find with the guard story is that he isn't wearing any uniform or markings to identify himself ass such, and therefore it appears he may be working for either a small outfit ( working for a corporation like a news agency makes it doubtful) or just a civilian at the time.

At the end of the day it will be decided by either the DA dropping the charges, or the jury. This could play out exactly like the Zimmerman case, he just needs to convince a jury that " a reasonable person" would react in the exact same way. And he's also open to civil lawsuits from the victims family.

 

[axfaxf]

Well from what information available it looks like a clean shoot. If you get slapped around and then maced, i think you should be in your rights to stand your ground and shoot back. Time for the specific area,s laws to take the facts found into account and determine the killers guilt.

what a nice view into a mostly empty head.

 

[FAQnews Correspondent]

Well from what information available it looks like a clean shoot. If you get slapped around and then maced, i think you should be in your rights to stand your ground and shoot back. Time for the specific area,s laws to take the facts found into account and determine the guy,s guilt.

IF there are more facts that were to come out, i could change opinion but this really does seem like a clean shoot even if the guy is an antifag. The only thing that really sucks is having to play agaisnt a side that doesnt mind using double standards and if you lower yourself to their levels then you basically already lost the ideological battle. The shooter will have its day in courts, thats all i would expects for everyone.

So as long as you're a communist/antifa, you can benefit from non-existent stand your ground laws in a duty-to-retreat state? The reason these people use double standards is because they can, and it benefits them in every single way.

 

[Kulee Baba]

I agree with all... but this.

These days, being maced at a riot is a precursor to then being jumped on when the ANTIFA smell blood (a "Nazi" in distress) If the riots hadn't become so pervasive and violent, I'd agree, but these days, when anyone staggered gets jumped by 20 suddenly-emboldened soy boys looking to unlock the "Actually beat a Nazi" achievement, you BET I'd be on the side of someone who reacted to being maced with lethal force.

That line of thought will definitely be used by his defense attorney. Also it seems that the old man had no reason to pull out Bear Mace on the "Black Guns Matter" guy but there's little insight on that since we lack the beginning to that shitshow.

The shooter better have hoped that he has legal assistance from his job, I think most security firms provide that. Or he finds a good young lawyer who will do it for Pro-Bono to get fame. Because this will be a fascinating and very long court case. You must have at least 20 witnesses who saw it.

 

[FAQnews Correspondent]

That line of thought will definitely be used by his defense attorney. Also it seems that the old man had no reason to pull out Bear Mace on the "Black Guns Matter" guy but there's little insight on that since we lack the beginning to that shitshow.

The shooter better have hoped that he has legal assistance from his job, I think most security firms provide that. Or he finds a good young lawyer who will do it for Pro-Bono to get fame. Because this will be a fascinating and very long court case. You must have at least 20 witnesses who saw it.

He won't have to worry, he'll have the DA on his side.

 

[Shield Breaker]

So I'm seeing conflicting info. Was the shooter private security, lefty or both?

There's nothing showing he was private security, but his dad supposedly graduated as a Pinkerton, and he liked to call himself that, according to the autists of 4chan.

 

[Getting tard comed]

So I'm seeing conflicting info. Was the shooter private security, lefty or both?

Probably both, it's weird to me reports are saying he was a security guard as of that negates any affiliation with antifa. Plenty of teachers who work at schools are members of antifa.

That could just be the tin foil hat talking though.

 

[GenericYuserName1997]

As soon as bear mace guy stopped arguing with the black guy and stepped out of the camera view it took a matter of seconds for the shooting to occur.

Something fucking stinks about this.

And now it’s basically confirmed the shooter is an active leftist.

 

[FAQnews Correspondent]

Probably both, it's weird to me reports are saying he was a security guard as of that negates any affiliation with antifa. Plenty of teachers who work at schools are members of antifa.

That could just be the tin foil hat talking though.

It's not weird at all. The press will deny that any action that could possibly be construed as bad is either not antifa related or justified.

 

[Crazedking]

So as long as you're a communist/antifa, you can benefit from non-existent stand your ground laws in a duty-to-retreat state? The reason these people use double standards is because they can, and it benefits them in every single way.

If he had a duty to retreat then thats what it is. Im not familiar with the laws where it happened but it is MY personal opinion that SYG should apply everywhere but ill defer to the area's law.

And yes i understand why they uses double standard. Sadly its the game they are playing. It does sucks because fightning them back by lowering yourself just defeats the purpose of holding the moral highground. The issues is when they keep doing it so much that people are forced to abandon their morals and thats when everything goes to shit. If they keep it up with shit like DAs not prosecutings rioters then the whole system goes out the window (which i s actually their plan, if you cant control the system, then just burn it to the ground). Its a hard game to play but play we must.

 

[Getting tard comed]

Well from what information available it looks like a clean shoot. If you get slapped around and then maced, i think you should be in your rights to stand your ground and shoot back. Time for the specific area,s laws to take the facts found into account and determine the guy,s guilt.

IF there are more facts that were to come out, i could change opinion but this really does seem like a clean shoot even if the guy is an antifag. The only thing that really sucks is having to play agaisnt a side that doesnt mind using double standards and if you lower yourself to their levels then you basically already lost the ideological battle. The shooter will have its day in courts, thats all i would expects for everyone.

What facts and information are you using? The only video I'm aware of shows the shooter arguing with a black guy, another boomer gets in between them, shooter walks past the black guy he was arguing with outside of the frame of the camera and press than 5 seconds later he's been domed.

That does not look like a fact pattern where the shooter can claim he was afraid for his life, particularly if the shootee pulled out his mace in self defense after ther shooter already pulled his gun on him.

If you have different or more information to this please post it. I'd love to be corrected.

 

[FAQnews Correspondent]

If he had a duty to retreat then thats what it is. Im not familiar with the laws where it happened but it is MY personal opinion that SYG should apply everywhere but ill defer to the area's law.

And yes i understand why they uses double standard. Sadly its the game they are playing. It does sucks because fightning them back by lowering yourself just defeats the purpose of holding the moral highground. The issues is when they keep doing it so much that people are forced to abandon their morals and thats when everything goes to shit. If they keep it up with shit like DAs not prosecutings rioters then the whole system goes out the window (which i s actually their plan, if you cant control the system, then just burn it to the ground). Its a hard game to play but play we must.

I agree SYG should apply everywhere, but what ends up happening here is that you get SYG as a leftist, and a life sentence if not. I wish I could see the benefit of having the high moral ground, but what good has that done? Kyle Rittenhouse has had the book thrown at him, while the Portland shooter was able to Waltz over to Washington without the police even talking to him. The city government let him get away with murder, with ending a life. It took until the feds got him. The McCloskeys are possibly facing jailtime for holding guns outside, while rioters are let out on to the street without even a slap on the wrist. Letting them force you to live up to your morals is falling for the classic Rules for Radicals play, because they don't have to live up to any morals, while you do.

 

[AnotherPleb]

As so many others have said in the thread the shooter will walk. This is the opposite of Kenosha Kyle; the shooter is in lockstep with Denver politics and that should be clear the moment that the news refused to identify him.

It's deplorable that the justice system is rotting, but 2016 killed any notion of fair play. I'd argue it's been dead for longer as the Obama administration showed, but the past four years have shredded that mask.

 

[pylosurf]

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You can see from the patterns on the sidewalk that the victim took a couple of steps back from the shooter between the slap and getting shot.

 

[dry roasted]

I don't think his social media posts are all that wild and are pretty typical for libs his age but this kind of stuff could really bite the skin off his ass under the circumstances. The usual "literally Hitler/Nazis" could easily be used to suggest motive even beyond the scuffle. Prosecutors are probably giddy looking though his facebook posts.


Also this is rude but his wife is kinda funny looking.

 

[Stoneheart]

At the end of the day it will be decided by either the DA dropping the charges, or the jury. This could play out exactly like the Zimmerman case, he just needs to convince a jury that " a reasonable person" would react in the exact same way. And he's also open to civil lawsuits from the victims family.

will be hard to find a Jury that doesnt want to hang him. 30% Hispanics is a realy bad situation for blm thugs.

 

[DeadFish]

As so many others have said in the thread the shooter will walk. This is the opposite of Kenosha Kyle; the shooter is in lockstep with Denver politics and that should be clear the moment that the news refused to identify him.

It's deplorable that the justice system is rotting, but 2016 killed any notion of fair play. I'd argue it's been dead for longer as the Obama administration showed, but the past four years have shredded that mask.

Society is being weaponized against you. I dont think reform is possible at this point.