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For all of you who didn't see it when it first ran in the UK: The Detransitioners. Sorry if it's a repost, but I thought it was relevant to the question.

Pull quote: "I want to work on accepting my body exactly the way it is now,” Ellie, pictured on the cover of this magazine, told me. “This is what should have been encouraged from the beginning."

This might sound a little crazy, but I believe we are very well be on the transhumanism Rubicon, perhaps too late to turn back now. It's something I think everytime detransition is mentioned. Imo transgenderism a bunk medical idea that would go down the bin along with Nazi-style eugenics and lobotomy.

Yet we'll still have to deal with the aftermath - that you'll have women who do not look ostensibly like women, and (less so) men who do not look like men, not of a natural intersex conditions but because of artificial tampering with hormones. And this kind of alterations are not just troons things, sport doping and castrati came to my mind.

People will have to be accustomed to it in some way. It might open up for a more genderless society some terfs are talking about, and I can only wonder how will sexual attractions and making work in that era as our current way of determining sex without looking at their junk became obsolete.

But social norms always change, we aren't running in the plains spearing mammoths anymore. Medicine too is always changing and we have conquered so much of fatal diseases - by having people live extended through artificial means.

This won't be just sexual characteristics, soon we'll have genetic editing, or new chemical ways to alter human bodies. Those things will get used for nonsensical ideas (other than actual neccesity) and it'll left us with humans who may not look "human" anymore - but they are still very close to baseline human genetically. and they'll find a place in ever changing society.

Not that I agree with it, I just think of it as a somewhat disturbing (for most people) fate humanity will be in.
 
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Do these people not realise that pressuring someone into having sex with them by threatening to out them as transphobic is rape? Weren't thesee the same people going on about how no means no several years ago?
It was women saying "no means no", feminists.
These aren't the same people at all.

This might sound a little crazy, but I believe we are very well be on the transhumanism Rubicon, perhaps too late to turn back now.

I'm so in favor of any kind of strange body mod or medical procedure people want to do to themselves as consenting adults. Bring on the brain chips and exoskeletons and genetic mods and frankenpussies, sure.

But this whole thought-control about it, the misogyny and homophobia and manly violence, it's a bad look. It's doing the future no favors.
 
This won't be just sexual characteristics, soon we'll have genetic editing, or new chemical ways to alter human bodies. Those things will get used for nonsensical ideas (other than actual neccesity) and it'll left us with humans who may not look "human" anymore - but they are still very close to baseline human genetically. and they'll find a place in ever changing society.

Not that I agree with it, I just think of it as a somewhat disturbing (for most people) fate humanity will be in.

I wouldn't hold your breath on this one. Gene editing is nowhere near ready for prime time, and even if it was, about all we could do is correct known defects (cystic fibrosis). Anything else is unethical in the extreme.
 
Ethics hardly seem relevant. I still want to see a thread on a few of these "surgeons".

Anyway I'll add a bit. I don't know if we have this fellow yet, but apparently he's a style queen.

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This reminds me of mother-in-laws who show up to a wedding in wild dresses to fuck with the brides.
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bonus: shade. I knew it.
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He seems lonely- there are no family or friends, only people he buys clothing from. It says he's a stylist/buyer/model, but then on his website he's a teacher.

I thought he was more wholesome at first, and almost didn't bring him here, and then I found this article.
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Yes, women define themselves by their looks, I'm sure.

 
I wouldn't hold your breath on this one. Gene editing is nowhere near ready for prime time, and even if it was, about all we could do is correct known defects (cystic fibrosis). Anything else is unethical in the extreme.
I wouldn't hold my breath for doctors sticking to ethics either. This always happens when a new medical techniques or fad has just been devised and we see a lot of them jumping on the train to cash out the next big thing even if the negative side effects haven't been understood OR the whole idea is questionable at best.
 
Kind of sad I missed the peak of the crazed FTM discussion. In my experience, they’re always catty, misogynistic, and mentally fucked.


I don’t have much experience interacting with TIMs, but I definitely have seen a lot of TIF arguments that always devolve down to “I’m more of a man than you,” which is funny because the vocal ones always seem to be neurotic females with several personality disorders. Always on a cocktail of SSRIs.
 
Kind of sad I missed the peak of the crazed FTM discussion. In my experience, they’re always catty, misogynistic, and mentally fucked.


I don’t have much experience interacting with TIMs, but I definitely have seen a lot of TIF arguments that always devolve down to “I’m more of a man than you,” which is funny because the vocal ones always seem to be neurotic females with several personality disorders. Always on a cocktail of SSRIs.
Are any of these people not on psychiatric medication?
 

Short Short FTM have got to be the same as Chin CHIN MTF. There are some things you CANNOT fix that will instantly gender you. These two things are very much high on the list.

People will have to be accustomed to it in some way. It might open up for a more genderless society some terfs are talking about, and I can only wonder how will sexual attractions and making work in that era as our current way of determining sex without looking at their junk became obsolete.

We'll never have a genderless society unless you manage to completely make humans sexless and we ascend to a plane where our bodies have no genitals or other characteristics that mark us as a specific gender. Just a generic flesh suit. 'Children' are pod spawned. Etc. Some aspects of gender roles/expectations are shit made up by humans but there's also biological aspects that fuel some of them. Women tend to be nurturers because they carry and birth the young. Men tend to be hunter gatherer because they aren't the ones carrying the child and their natural strength assists in that. Feminists like to preach that we can have some utopia of everyone able to do what they want but it's not practical, there are differences between the sexes that will dictate their abilities/interests/etc. and that will not change unless you completely eliminate biological sex and render all humans into an organism where they are all exactly the same in all biological aspects.

You need only go outside and see how many Cis are wandering around to know that we're never going to reach a point where Troons are common or accepted. You can see how they normal people treat them, usually? polite but cold. Heterosexuals and 'Cisgender' rule the world and are great at othering anyone who doesn't fit in. They're the largest sexuality and 'Gender' because they are what humans evolved to do to keep the species going. This thread is only a bunch of losers living in run down houses desperately trying to have some relevance and imo. most of the posters here have the attitude that almost everyone really holds- they're freakshows to be mocked. There's never gonna be a point where enough people troon out that they change the world's perception of 'sex' and 'gender' because they'll always be vastly outnumbered by the Cis-Hets who will be congenial to a point but carefully regulate them to the fringes of social society.

But social norms always change, we aren't running in the plains spearing mammoths anymore. Medicine too is always changing and we have conquered so much of fatal diseases - by having people live extended through artificial means.

This won't be just sexual characteristics, soon we'll have genetic editing, or new chemical ways to alter human bodies. Those things will get used for nonsensical ideas (other than actual neccesity) and it'll left us with humans who may not look "human" anymore - but they are still very close to baseline human genetically. and they'll find a place in ever changing society.

Not that I agree with it, I just think of it as a somewhat disturbing (for most people) fate humanity will be in.

Medicine got us to this point because all the idiots whose own stupidity should have removed them from the gene pool are now kept alive. Natural selection should never have been interfered with. It's why we're degrading as people.

I wouldn't hold your breath on this one. Gene editing is nowhere near ready for prime time, and even if it was, about all we could do is correct known defects (cystic fibrosis). Anything else is unethical in the extreme.

IMO. Gene editing would prove that all these idiots are liars. If you can edit genes to remove mental illness and transgenderism then there's no way these troons ever come to exist and it implies you discover the 'genes' that cause it. So if you don't have those genes because you just don't, you're tested and found not to have them, or they were pruned out - and you're born and then try to claim you're trans? You're bold faced lying and it's provable. Gene editing and having documented genes that cause X/Y/Z can both prove who is and who is not 'true trans' and fix them before they're born broken. It's probably the worst nightmare of all these people because one little test could confirm or deny their claims and if you weren't 'truly trans' then there's no reason to be given support for it.
 
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Fear not the manlet who has used ten thousand dicks once, but respect the man who has used his only dick ten thousand times.
I'd fear the latter, too. Using your dick a thousand times sounds like a good way to collect STIs.

Right, because apparently a woman's value comes from how attractive she is, and if a woman is ever angry at someone, it's because she's jealous of their beauty. It can't possibly be because troons are creepy perverts trying to castrate children.

Remember that the trannies saying this sort of shit often consider themselves feminists. What the fuck does being more "womanly" even mean? Being more of a stereotype? "Woman" isn't a feeling or a costume, it's a person with female physiology. You can't be more female than another person, and the fact that troons are trying to turn it into some sort of autistic contest is indicative of their own insecurities.

Whatever happened to "just wanting to pee?" Somehow it's evolved into "actually castrated men are better 'women' than women, and they hate us because penis envy."
 
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