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I don't know when but it's gonna come to a head in the future and it will be Gays vs. Trans.
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The comments on the post about how 'it's transphobic' tell me there's a war coming. I don't know when but it's gonna come to a head in the future and it will be Gays vs. Trans. (Aided by women as well) You cannot have the T piggyback on your success while contributing basically nothing and then have them turn around and degrade everything you fought for by having their rhetoric destroy the immutable truths of who you are and the very thing that defines your sexuality.

I think it's more a schism, not a war. For example lgb only orgs are slowly popping up in the west. The most recent example is Norway.

We share their view that LGB persons' rights are under attack. It is comfortable to be LGB in Norway today. All doors are open in both the public and private sectors. Unfortunately, there is no organization that safeguards these interests and rights earned over decades by those who came before us.

We neither want nor can stand behind the controversial political programs of the established organizations. They are promoting queer ideology and trans activists' desire to change a well-established, and well-functioning society- and family structure. Our democracy depends on conversation. We want to take the conversation back. LLH wants a democratic society where no one must fear participating in the debate. A democracy where free speech of also includes those who question the established and «politically correct.



Troons talking about gays having no emphaty and saying "mean things". Oh the fucking irony.

It was troons who started the whole "Fuck me or ur transphobic!" bullshit and it's troons who are constantly annoying gays and especially lesbians with this shit.

And when people fight back they are playing the victim. The mean lesbians & gays are hurting them with all their "horrible" talk about biological sex. Meanwhile troons spew homophobic bullshit and argue for what is basically gay conversion therapy. They want to erode the very basic foundation of homosexuality (women are attracted to women & men are attracted to men, it's very simple) and make it soley about gender identities. And after the homos they will try to convert the heteros which is very hard but they are going to try it anyway but right now all their efforts are directed at same sex attraction.

Troons aren't victims no matter what they are claiming.
 
And when people fight back they are playing the victim. The mean lesbians & gays are hurting them with all their "horrible" talk about biological sex. Meanwhile troons spew homophobic bullshit and argue for what is basically gay conversion therapy. They want to erode the very basic foundation of homosexuality (women are attracted to women & men are attracted to men, it's very simple) and make it soley about gender identities. And after the homos they will try to convert the heteros which is very hard but they are going to try it anyway but right now all their efforts are directed at same sex attraction.

Troons aren't victims no matter what they are claiming.
Hopefully, it won't be long until most LGB people thrown them under the bus and people start leaving them behind with their bullshit. They are not friends nor allies, they are just deranged people that want things their way and avoid any sort of responsability that might upset them in the slightest. As much as i've met sensible trans people in my life, they had some real looney toons moments and tard rage over "I'm not having this the way i like it" which made me sever all contact with them.

Anyone sane enough would do the same.
 
I'll give points to her from it's not transphobic not date transpeople. It's honestly nice to see that in rant about being rejected over being trans and how much that hurts. It's not easy to remember to acknowledge other's agency when being hurt and she is consistent about that. This all about how to reject, not that rejection is wrong itself.

Still her point of not being a dick when rejecting isn't working. Sure making fun of or insulting someone who you rejected personally can be mean and even fall into bullying but this wasn't that. This wasn't even talking loudly about who you wouldn't fuck while people like that are in the same space. This was an internet conversation and/or rant (hard to say without the original text) about what some gays find and don't find attractive in general. People have right to talk about attraction even with harsh words and it's not dickish behavior as long as others can easily ingnore that conversation. No one is forsing her to read, she can just close the tab after noticing where the conversation is going.

Also making someone known why you rejected them specifically isn't inherently bad. Generic not my type or simple no can get the job of rejecting done but can lead lingering awkwardness. It's perfectly natural that people might linger over rejection especially if they don't why they were rejected and if there is change that answer might change in latter date. Giving the full reason can give closure and allow them to move forward with better tactics. It's not required, it's perfectly fine to reject without excuse, but it's honestly fine also get all the cards on a table.
She claims that it's rude for someone to openly say that they wouldn't date a person who smells bad. Maybe it's just my own personality here, but in several conversations IRL I've openly told people that bad hygiene is a deal breaker. Honestly, it's a good thing when people are up-front about their deal breakers. It saves everyone a lot of time and heartache, because you know not to even pursue someone who is turned off by one of your traits.

Regarding Spongebob's tranny chaser son, Mack:

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Remember everyone, sexual harassment is okay if the victim doesn't share your views.
It's funny how they play the victim game like this.
It's not about who got harassed more, it's the fact that the harassment happened, numb-nuts.

Let us all ignore the fact that she never harassed anyone, never threatened anyone with physical harm, never told anyone to die.
We shall all respond to her right to disagree with harassment, threats and abuse. How dare she handle this in a civil manner.


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Also, watching this guy spit the truth at these people if fucking funny as shit. Seems to be a good friend of the victim.
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This fuckwit's argument is pure whataboutism. He's basically saying that because trannies get into slapfights online constantly, it's okay for a straight man to harass a lesbian for weeks on end. Did he forget that homophobia is a thing? Lesbians already get harassed-- they know what it feels like without some soy prick a-logging them on behalf of trannies.

Even if she wasn't a lesbian, the logic of "x group experiences [insert injustice] all the time, so it's 'fair' when it happens to anyone else," is patently retarded. It's like saying, "men get murdered more than women, therefore a person who murdered a woman isn't committing a crime, they're just making things even." What the hell is so hard about opposing bad shit regardless of who it happens to?

Furthermore, he clearly wasn't just "calling her out" because many of his comments had nothing to do with trans rights. How is speculating on the health of her marriage, insulting her artwork, and saying misogynistic shit about her "yeasty snail trail" in any way related to that? Also, aren't call-outs supposed to be public? Sure, his crazy tirade is public now, but if his intention was to make an altruistic "call-out" why was he too chickenshit to tweet it?

This reads to me like he's either having a manic episode or jerking off to the thought of tormenting this woman, although the former is unlikely considering that this went on for over two weeks. That would be an unusually long autistic temper tantrum.
 
There needs to be some sort of psychological assessment before people want to become the opposite gender. Otherwise, we get stupid people who are making it look like a joke.

I never really hear much about bisexuals complaining about nobody really wanting to date them. People are entitled to what they find attractive and they shouldn't be forced to be with someone they don't find attractive. Otherwise, it's guilt-tripping. There are very good reasons why someone might not want to date a bisexual or trans person (i.e. wanting to have biological children rather than adopting due to expenses or discomfort). However, there's a way of going about it and telling people you're not interested in them.

Hopefully, it won't be long until most LGB people thrown them under the bus and people start leaving them behind with their bullshit. They are not friends nor allies, they are just deranged people that want things their way and avoid any sort of responsability that might upset them in the slightest. As much as i've met sensible trans people in my life, they had some real looney toons moments and tard rage over "I'm not having this the way i like it" which made me sever all contact with them.

Anyone sane enough would do the same.
Honestly I think the whole LGB should just split up to be honest. Nobody really likes each other and they don't get along. Gay and Lesbian cultures are quite different and hostile to each other. Bisexuals don't really fit in between either of them either and their attraction is quite different. There's even an LG subreddit now after the LGB Alliance subreddit got banned.
 
I never really hear much about bisexuals complaining about nobody really wanting to date them. People are entitled to what they find attractive and they shouldn't be forced to be with someone they don't find attractive. Otherwise, it's guilt-tripping. There are very good reasons why someone might not want to date a bisexual or trans person (i.e. wanting to have biological children rather than adopting due to expenses or discomfort). However, there's a way of going about it and telling people you're not interested in them.
A lot of people won't date bisexuals.

It's just most bisexuals aren't whiny bitches about it.
 
There needs to be some sort of psychological assessment before people want to become the opposite gender. Otherwise, we get stupid people who are making it look like a joke.
I don’t believe that there exists some kind psychological assessment that can show if someone is truly trans.

I know people say "They should have to live as a woman/man for x years before being allowed to transition" but where I am from you need to live as your chosen gender for two years before you're allowed to legally change your gender and it's still mostly complete basket cases that end up doing it. The problem is that "living as a woman/man" means nothing. There's no legal definition of how men and women should live their lives. So in effect it's just a two year waiting list before you're allowed to change your gender.
 
She claims that it's rude for someone to openly say that they wouldn't date a person who smells bad. Maybe it's just my own personality here, but in several conversations IRL I've openly told people that bad hygiene is a deal breaker. Honestly, it's a good thing when people are up-front about their deal breakers. It saves everyone a lot of time and heartache, because you know not to even pursue someone who is turned off by one of your traits.
I can't understand people that do not abide deal breakers for people. Everyone should already know that what is ok for you might not be someone else's cup of tea, but this whole "Not dating X person means you hate a whole collective" that is so widespread today mixed with so many people unable to live with different opinions existing is probably why this sort of behaviour is becoming prevalent. It's really fucking dumb and just leads to you being constantly bitter over people living how they want. And this extends to other sectors of what people do outside of dating.
Honestly I think the whole LGB should just split up to be honest. Nobody really likes each other and they don't get along. Gay and Lesbian cultures are quite different and hostile to each other. Bisexuals don't really fit in between either of them either and their attraction is quite different. There's even an LG subreddit now after the LGB Alliance subreddit got banned.
Ok, didn't had an idea it got to that point. But seriously, the LGB community has to do a lot of policing around because there are a lot of elements outside of troonery that are constantly giving a bad rep. But if every one sticks to their own, i think in the end it will be better for each one since they will be able to tend to their own instead of the whole collective and creating friction between each other.

And btw, what's the deal with bi people not getting dated? Maybe it's me that i've given up dating altogether and i'm out of the whole picture, but i never heard anyone complain about bi people outside of the usuals "They just do it to get laid more".
 
And btw, what's the deal with bi people not getting dated? Maybe it's me that i've given up dating altogether and i'm out of the whole picture, but i never heard anyone complain about bi people outside of the usuals "They just do it to get laid more".
Long story short, a lot of heterosexuals get uncomfortable/insecure around bisexuals. Meanwhile, a lot of homosexuals see bisexuals as traitors or wishy-washy for not picking a lane.

It's stupid on all accounts, but that's people for you.
 
Long story short, a lot of heterosexuals get uncomfortable/insecure around bisexuals. Meanwhile, a lot of homosexuals see bisexuals as traitors or wishy-washy for not picking a lane.

It's stupid on all accounts, but that's people for you.

From my experience, the reason homosexuals are iffy about bisexuals is that the majority (over 90%, I believe) of them typically wind up in heterosexual relationships in the end. It also feels a lot worse when you get dumped just to see them run for the opposite sex. It gives you a weird message. Almost like saying the reason for the relationship ending wasn't just due to nonphysical incompatibility, but physical incompatibility as well. It's a bit more harsh feeling.

Also, it puts a lot of gays on edge when they see their lover lust over the opposite sex. I don't blame them. It makes them wonder if they're physically incompatible, despite the bisexual being... bisexual.
 
From my experience, the reason homosexuals are iffy about bisexuals is that the majority (over 90%, I believe) of them typically wind up in heterosexual relationships in the end. It also feels a lot worse when you get dumped just to see them run for the opposite sex. It gives you a weird message. Almost like saying the reason for the relationship ending wasn't just due to nonphysical incompatibility, but physical incompatibility as well. It's a bit more harsh feeling.

Also, it puts a lot of gays on edge when they see their lover lust over the opposite sex. I don't blame them. It makes them wonder if they're physically incompatible, despite the bisexual being... bisexual.
Well it makes sense that most bisexuals end up in opposite sex relationships. If you're a bisexual guy who likes both equally, you're statistically a lot more likely to meet a woman who likes men than a man who likes men simply because the latter is a lot less common. That said, I don't blame gay guys and lesbians for being apprehensive about bisexuals in straight relationships. It's like bisexuals have one foot on the "oppressed" side, and one foot on the "privileged" side. Most people don't have the luxury of being able to choose between the two.

Luckily "posers" are less of an issue than they used to be. All the people who used to lie about being bisexual have moved on to lying about being trans instead.
 
From my experience, the reason homosexuals are iffy about bisexuals is that the majority (over 90%, I believe) of them typically wind up in heterosexual relationships in the end. It also feels a lot worse when you get dumped just to see them run for the opposite sex. It gives you a weird message. Almost like saying the reason for the relationship ending wasn't just due to nonphysical incompatibility, but physical incompatibility as well. It's a bit more harsh feeling.

Also, it puts a lot of gays on edge when they see their lover lust over the opposite sex. I don't blame them. It makes them wonder if they're physically incompatible, despite the bisexual being... bisexual.

I know lesbians who avoid bi women because they don’t want to deal with the baggage of ex boyfriends/husbands/male co-parents and potential in-laws who dismiss them as a phase their grown up daughter is going through, rather than being considered an actual, viable romantic and domestic partner from the get go.
Sticking with other monosexual homosexuals just makes for a simpler life, less drama.

Bisexual men are often perceived as more masculine than homosexual men, which makes them sexually interesting to men who fancy men, but less appealing as long term relationship material (same as above).

There is an evolutionary biological reason (ie relating to reproductive success) for straight men to fancy bi women but for straight women not to fancy bi men, but I forget exactly it what it is... it’s the kind of scientific theory that gets shouted down for not fitting woke politics tho.
 
Luckily "posers" are less of an issue than they used to be. All the people who used to lie about being bisexual have moved on to lying about being trans instead.
Nailed it. I remember the 00's where everyone was bisexual, but somehow always had an opposite-sex partner. Fancy that.
However, they didn't try to take over our spaces and organizations, so I will be a bit nostalgic about how much easier that shit was to deal with.
 
There needs to be some sort of psychological assessment before people want to become the opposite gender. Otherwise, we get stupid people who are making it look like a joke.
Mad at the internet but I don't believe anyone should transition. If dysphoria exists mutilating your body and playing pretend isn't the solution.

Honestly I think the whole LGB should just split up to be honest. Nobody really likes each other and they don't get along. Gay and Lesbian cultures are quite different and hostile to each other. Bisexuals don't really fit in between either of them either and their attraction is quite different. There's even an LG subreddit now after the LGB Alliance subreddit got banned.

Traditionally, bisexuals weren't considered inside the gay liberation movement. That's because they mostly have heterosexual relationships. Bisexualism wasn't really even a concept, either you were homosexual or not. The gay liberation “split” from the original movement and went down a different route around the 1970s, which eventually became LGBT and the following word soup. Honestly, females are but a small voice in the LGBT movement, it has largely catered to gay males and their subculture, until the trannies came in and made it about themselves.

Source: Unpacking Queer Politics by Sheila Jeffreys


Edit: I agree with all the comments above and won't cite them, but I'm also skeptical about how bisexuals cry about owww my poor opwession and bi erasure and biphobia and whatnot. Fuck off, many so-called bi women just find other females attractive, which is objective (there are beautiful people, male or female, and women tend to fix themselves more, so it's no surprise even a gay man can find beauty in a woman), but they would never have sex with another woman. I've asked some self-proclaimed lesbofeminists if they would perform cunnilingus and the mere thought repulses them.
 
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Nailed it. I remember the 00's where everyone was bisexual, but somehow always had an opposite-sex partner. Fancy that.
However, they didn't try to take over our spaces and organizations, so I will be a bit nostalgic about how much easier that shit was to deal with.
If there's one silver lining about troons and genderspecials, it's that outside of political lesbians most of these people aren't seriously pretending to be LGB for clout anymore. They're hard on T. Instead of having to put in the effort of pretending to like a specific configuration of genitals, just be "genderqueer", "emby" or "transmasc" and get your oppression points without having to do anything.
 
the logic of "x group experiences [insert injustice] all the time, so it's 'fair' when it happens to anyone else,"
While they themselves are screeching the most about the disparate impact of absolutely everything.
There needs to be some sort of psychological assessment before people want to become the opposite gender. Otherwise, we get stupid people who are making it look like a joke.
People who want to mutilate their body for a fetish won't pass a fair psychological assessment.
Traditionally, bisexuals weren't considered inside the gay liberation movement.

Source: Unpacking Queer Politics by Sheila Jeffreys
I don't trust a source which has "unpacking" and "queer" in the title. The homophobia where I am is probably equivalent to pre-Stonewall US, and the mentality is once a faggot, always a faggot.
 
Long story short, a lot of heterosexuals get uncomfortable/insecure around bisexuals. Meanwhile, a lot of homosexuals see bisexuals as traitors or wishy-washy for not picking a lane.

It's stupid on all accounts, but that's people for you.

{Pardon the buzzwords.}

Part of the issue there though is that many Bisexuals are Bisexual but not Biromantic. There's probably a lot of people who could categorize themselves as being sexually attracted to either gender, and would have sex with either/or, but when it comes to have an actual full romantic relationship or wanting to have a life with said person of the same sex as themselves they absolutely don't want that or can't see themselves doing that or they try it and it just doesn't work out with the same sex. True Homosexuals are more like Homosexual and Homoromantic. They're not just attracted to the same sex in a sexual manner but they peruse relationships with people of the same sex because common secondary traits relating to socialization, body language, behaviors, fashion preferences, hobbies, how they interact with the world, that you can't just mimic, etc. are also part of what attracts them.

Sexuality is much easier to be fluid with than actual partnerships between people. Sex is sex, it can be done for pleasure and one off, making a life with someone needs more than just carnal and sexual attraction- although those things are also important to the partnership- because you're putting in more work, more commitment, and trying to have a comfortable long term life with the person.

Part of the reason trans people repulse others is not just because they're sexually disgusting but because they're acting and you can tell. They're doing an approximation of what they think the opposite sex should be. For all their claims of always knowing they really don't. Sex/Gender isn't just something made up. There's aspects too it that are inherent, that aren't related to socialization or any other category. There's part of it that you only have, that other humans recognize, that only exists because you were born that sex/gender. It's simply not something you micmic or have surgery to make. Being Trans is a farce. Even the mythological true trans. It's a mental illness being coddled by people who don't even believe what they're doing works, but they say all the accepting words and take the money of people who only get worse- not better. It's why so many troons end up old and alone, with a partner whose mostly there out of pity, or with other troons.

You'll see it a lot in de-transitioners too, that when they finally stop playing a part and be themselves- they can often find themselves someone who'll be in a relationship with them- because they've finally given up on faking what they think they should be.
 
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There needs to be some sort of psychological assessment before people want to become the opposite gender. Otherwise, we get stupid people who are making it look like a joke.
I never really hear much about bisexuals complaining about nobody really wanting to date them. People are entitled to what they find attractive and they shouldn't be forced to be with someone they don't find attractive. Otherwise, it's guilt-tripping. There are very good reasons why someone might not want to date a bisexual or trans person (i.e. wanting to have biological children rather than adopting due to expenses or discomfort). However, there's a way of going about it and telling people you're not interested in them.
Honestly I think the whole LGB should just split up to be honest. Nobody really likes each other and they don't get along. Gay and Lesbian cultures are quite different and hostile to each other. Bisexuals don't really fit in between either of them either and their attraction is quite different. There's even an LG subreddit now after the LGB Alliance subreddit got banned.

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Edit your original comment instead of multiple posts, your account should have edit access by now.

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