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If this were true, wouldn't it change the trans movement's dictates on how to handle transition? The current mandate from our troon overlords is that everyone, including two year old children whose parents accuse them of touching a pink blanket or playing with a truck one time, should be immediately transitioned to an extreme degree once they have been identified as trans. But why do all of that if the expectation is that they will "change gender", possibly in a way that makes their previous transition harmful and damaging to them while also being permanent and unfixable? (After all, you can't un-atrophy a uterus.)

Whoops, there I go again, expecting the trans movement to make any sense whatsoever. Nevermind. Recommence sterilizing of little children and all that, I suppose.
They can’t keep up with their own bullshit. So it’s perfectly okay to revert back to your birth gender at any time, but detransitioners were “never really trans”? And all of the studies that say that kids who have feelings of being transgender will grow out of it and go on to be normal gay adults are somehow conversion therapy against trans kids?

So what happens if you end up realizing you’re not really trans after you’ve already cut your dick off and shaved your face down? How do you go back to being a man when you look like a drag queen/tranny hybrid abomination?

Troondom is just about throwing dog shit at a wall and seeing what sticks.
 
They can’t keep up with their own bullshit. So it’s perfectly okay to revert back to your birth gender at any time, but detransitioners were “never really trans”? And all of the studies that say that kids who have feelings of being transgender will grow out of it and go on to be normal gay adults are somehow conversion therapy against trans kids?

So what happens if you end up realizing you’re not really trans after you’ve already cut your dick off and shaved your face down? How do you go back to being a man when you look like a drag queen/tranny hybrid abomination?

Troondom is just about throwing dog shit at a wall and seeing what sticks.

That's the thing: You can never go back, not really. Even women who detransition will never be able to have their natural voice back, stop growing excess facial and body hair, have a functional vagina and uterus and be able to have children of their own, etc. And it's obviously lovely if you can see all of that and come to terms with it, but it's still a lot and it creates this absolutely massive divide between these women and other women, society, etc. It's something you'll always have to explain to new partners, deal with, go to the doctor about, etc.

And (putting my tinfoil hat on) that's why the trans movement pushes so hard for early, fast, no-questions-asked, free of cost transition services. Because they (the movement, especially the rich trans-identified men heading this shit up) want more trans people out there to bolster and support their movement and ideas. And between the fact that you can never truly detransition and the way the trans movement treats detransitioners like traitors and liars, they make sure to keep the number of people saying "hey, this actually didn't help me at all" to an absolute minimum.
 
That's the thing: You can never go back, not really. Even women who detransition will never be able to have their natural voice back, stop growing excess facial and body hair, have a functional vagina and uterus and be able to have children of their own, etc. And it's obviously lovely if you can see all of that and come to terms with it, but it's still a lot and it creates this absolutely massive divide between these women and other women, society, etc. It's something you'll always have to explain to new partners, deal with, go to the doctor about, etc.

And (putting my tinfoil hat on) that's why the trans movement pushes so hard for early, fast, no-questions-asked, free of cost transition services. Because they (the movement, especially the rich trans-identified men heading this shit up) want more trans people out there to bolster and support their movement and ideas. And between the fact that you can never truly detransition and the way the trans movement treats detransitioners like traitors and liars, they make sure to keep the number of people saying "hey, this actually didn't help me at all" to an absolute minimum.
FTMs have gotten pregnant, so surely T by itself doesn’t cause sterility? I agree, though. And for MTFs whatever sad tuberous titties they grow will need to be surgically removed, plus I think they’re somewhat more likely to get bottom surgery than FTMs because FTM surgery is so bad.
 
FTMs have gotten pregnant, so surely T by itself doesn’t cause sterility? I agree, though. And for MTFs whatever sad tuberous titties they grow will need to be surgically removed, plus I think they’re somewhat more likely to get bottom surgery than FTMs because FTM surgery is so bad.

T causes vaginal atrophy. Dryness. Etc. You can see the horror story of the FTM pornstar for example. It stops your periods AND they don't just take T, I imagine they suppress their natural hormones like the male counterparts do. Could you get pregnant, possibly, but it's very difficult.

If a FTM gets pregnant it's usually because they haven't kept up/maintained their dosages or chose to stop in order to have a child.
 
CORRECTION: A few weeks ago there was a video of a troon being arrested by Feds in Portland. I misidentified him as that Lucy, the troon that wore the Sailor Moon to a neighborhood council election. This version of the video identifies the man in the video as Dr. Juniper Simonis, the roller derby troon.
Now imagine the guy fighting off a pile of Feds on a roller derby rink or whatever knocking around women.
I come to you with my personal lolcow:Dr Juniper Simonis. He is the most annoying presence in the twittersphere of ecology. He recently got his very own 'kittie' and hasn't shut up about it since. For example, a questionable piece of research is making the rounds on twitter about a supposed correlation between the density of female students and the density of cats. He just had to reply with this:
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I'd like to see one example of a female scientist talking about her pussy on her work account non-stop.
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Look at his face and now think of his junk:
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Also, he of course also plays roller derby. Can you guess which one he is? It's really hard! (Although tbf, Portland's teams are 99% troons anyway)
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This dude goes by Lucy. He decided to run for a neighborhood council position and showed up in a Sailor Moon outfit...in a church.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=R-9SI9gu4Jw
 
FTMs have gotten pregnant, so surely T by itself doesn’t cause sterility? I agree, though. And for MTFs whatever sad tuberous titties they grow will need to be surgically removed, plus I think they’re somewhat more likely to get bottom surgery than FTMs because FTM surgery is so bad.

It really depends on the dosage and duration and stuff. Exogenous testosterone in women causes vaginal atrophy, as remiem noted, and it can also cause uterine atrophy if you take it for long enough. Porn star Buck Angel had a whole thing a while back about how she had to have a hysterectomy because her uterus had atrophied and was causing her pain (if you ever read/hear an ftm talking about feeling "stabbing pain" every time she orgasms, that's apparently the leading sign of uterine atrophy).

The trans-identified women who get pregnant are typically either not on testosterone at all, or they're on a low dose and haven't been taking it for very long. Some of them can just get pregnant if they go off testosterone for a while, but it's more difficult and sometimes involves IVF (like Corn Flakes said).

It's really, really horrifying how many side effects there are to long-term use of exogenous hormones alone (which is usually pushed as the "safest" of transition "treatments") we're just now finding out. And it'll only get worse once the kids they've got taking them from age twelve or thirteen start growing up and experiencing weird new health problems that, I'm sure, the trans movement will insist have nothing to do with their transitions... or if they do, hey, it's worth it. Better a kid having a massive heart attack at 19 due to continuous use of exogenous estrogen because he played princess once when he was three than a dead son! Etc.
 
It's really, really horrifying how many side effects there are to long-term use of exogenous hormones alone (which is usually pushed as the "safest" of transition "treatments") we're just now finding out.
So you're saying that living systems that were the result of over three billion years of evolution can't be easily tinkered with substances dubiously fast-tracked into "safe" use?

Please, say it ain't so.
 
CORRECTION: A few weeks ago there was a video of a troon being arrested by Feds in Portland. I misidentified him as that Lucy, the troon that wore the Sailor Moon to a neighborhood council election. This version of the video identifies the man in the video as Dr. Juniper Simonis, the roller derby troon.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=XloQck4v3-QNow imagine the guy fighting off a pile of Feds on a roller derby rink or whatever knocking around women.

Thanks JY for that update. Knowing it’s Juniper makes it even more hilarious.

Also fuck you Joe for bringing your poor traumatized dog to a fucking protest and using him as your personal animal shield.

Juniper the derby queen:
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I imagine they suppress their natural hormones like the male counterparts do
They don't. It's usually just T. Testosterone is powerful enough to knock down their natural female production of estrogen. MTF's take anti-androgens and get their balls clipped because estrogen by itself is simply not enough to overpower their natural, male testosterone production.
 
They don't. It's usually just T. Testosterone is powerful enough to knock down their natural female production of estrogen. MTF's take anti-androgens and get their balls clipped because estrogen by itself is simply not enough to overpower their natural, male testosterone production.
Some FTMs do get oophorectomies, which is having their ovaries removed (the female equivalent of orchiectomy/having your balls clipped). After a certain amount of time on T, a hysterectomy is recommended, but I’m not sure if that’s uterus-only or total (everything).
 
Thanks JY for that update. Knowing it’s Juniper makes it even more hilarious.

Also fuck you Joe for bringing your poor traumatized dog to a fucking protest and using him as your personal animal shield.

Juniper the derby queen:
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Ohhh this is gold. He will always be my personal favourite. He posted a beautiful 'thirst trap' image in the past day.
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Jesus Christ. I pity any woman trying to derby against that.

Eh, you might want to pity anyone playing against Rose City Rollers (Portland). They consist of mostly troons and are ranked number 1 in the world (for women's flat track derby). I wonder why that is......
 
Some FTMs do get oophorectomies, which is having their ovaries removed (the female equivalent of orchiectomy/having your balls clipped). After a certain amount of time on T, a hysterectomy is recommended, but I’m not sure if that’s uterus-only or total (everything).
The oophrectomy/hysterectomy is mandatory. Not for hormone production. Aside from sterilization purposes, they're performed for FTMs because testosterone makes the risk for uterine/ovarian cancer higher. Cut the root before it grows, so to speak. Uterine atrophy is also the cause for the hysterectomies due to the shrinkage/thinning causing pain during orgasms and painful spasming, to the point where some FTMs get those estrogen pills(?) you insert in the vagina to negate the atrophy instead of getting surgery.
 
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