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U.S. Riots of May 2020 over George Floyd and others - ITT: a bunch of faggots butthurt about worthless internet stickers
This is not a good thing, the Nazis were not good guys, fascism is not a good thing.
But it's clear now that fascism is just a side effect of communism, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, when communism springs up you sometimes get fascism as a defense mechanism but the end result is everyone winds up in a world of shit and freedom, which is what my Founding Fathers fought for, takes a holiday.
My question is just what the hell happened to the decent America of 20 years ago? How have we fallen this hard this fast? 20 years is a while but it isn't that long a period of time, it boggles the mind.
I remember the America of my childhood, 20 years ago and before, it was a paradise compared to the nightmare we have today, where did it all go so wrong?
That's the thing, first Nazis were good and then they were bad, Like Pinochet was good and then he was under house arrest. I'm not making the case for either one, I'm pointing out that when it was in the government's interest the approval or disapproval changed, depending on the need of government.
The people in command of the US are in their 70s and 80s. They haven't adjusted to a world without the Soviet Union, where the paradigm was a simple good vs evil narrative. The protests and destruction of cultural artifacts isn't organic, as others have pointed out. I believe there's a group of people, a faction in DC that's appalled at the state we're in and want to change course but China's meddling is making it difficult. Like I said, politics is going to be interesting.
As @Forgetful Gynn said the National Socialists were no good guys, but to be quite honest what would have been the alternative? A communits putsch and more or less a communist German regime under Uncle Joe's control! Yeah, that would have been equally nightmarish, maybe even worse.
We should also never forget that all the "democratic" parties in Germany were so busy with their party infighting and at the same time fighting every other party that at the end they hated each other so much they couldn't even form a coalition government anymore. Which was the sole reason why Hindenburg declared Hitler Chancellor of the Reich by decree, there was just no other option available anymore.
As @Forgetful Gynn said the National Socialists were no good guys, but to be quite honest what would have been the alternative? A communits putsch and more or less a communist German regime under Uncle Joe's control! Yeah, that would have been equally nightmarish, maybe even worse.
We should also never forget that all the "democratic" parties in Germany were so busy with their party infighting and at the same time fighting every other party that at the end they hated each other so much they couldn't even form a coalition government anymore. Which was the sole reason why Hindenburg declared Hitler Chancellor of the Reich by decree, there was just no other option available anymore.
When it comes to real world conflict, "Good" and "Evil" might as well be synonymous with "Victor" and "Loser". I can't think of any point in history where this wasn't the case.
Apologies to all the soon-to-be broken scouters out there.
Correct. However, "Nazis" as they are commonly depicted probably never existed. National Socialists did. "Nazis" are the propaganda caricatures that retard prison skinheads worship. Much like the Japs that Superman slaps around or any other form of propaganda used during a war to demonize the enemies to make them easier to kill from a psychological standpoint.
So I guess this begs the question, when did the word fascism go from meaning "Unity and Lawfulness" to "EVIL EVIL EVIL"? When we needed war propaganda? When we allied with the evils of communism to defeat an economic foe and let it seep into our educational institutions to rot us from the very core as price for dealing with the devil?
You know what I mean, I meant fascism in the context of the 20th century, what went down in Germany, Spain, Chile.
That type of fascism is not what the United States is founded on which is freedom and democracy, we don't need authoritarianism here of any stripe, be it left wing, right wing, whatever.
Where it really went wrong was America sucked on the teat of corporatism which was fueled by greed too much, it compromised us, these Antifa retards are the children of a dumbed down mass media culture that celebrated idiocy like Jerry Springer, Jersey Shore and Here Comes Honey Boo Boo, which was then super charged by mindless social media, these idiots are then easily manipulated by bad actors that wish to destroy our country outright.
In other words we sold out our values in pursuit of money, repeat after me, there are more important things in life than money.
The Founder, the movie about the founding of McDonald's, is actually a perfect illustration of the good side and bad side of American capitalism, the good represented by the actual McDonald brothers and the bad side represented by Ray Kroc, it was the Ray Krocs of the country that won in the end and this is what they have wrought by having no moral values in their pursuit of money for the sake of money.
When the iPhone rolled out in 2007 and the small-souled bugmen could finally be effortlessly online 24/7, begging for validation on Tumblr and Twitter and Facebook, overflowing the exchange of information with idle chitchat. As the flood of information grew, the bugmen couldn't stand that there were things out there not validating and agreeing with them, so they built their echo chambers. Quickly, the culture wars went into full swing because everyone was hyperstimulated by the constant flow of information at all times, and they don't see any other way out.
Or maybe the world was always shite and now we just get to see it.
I've spent a lot of time online starting in 2006, but not much time on Tumblr and Twitter and Facebook, I guess that explains a lot.
The internet to me was a place to learn about stuff and communicate with others (also porn), I never saw it as a place for personal validation and agreement, in fact I got tons of shit from people online in my early days due to how naive I was and I simply learned to grow a thicker skin and try to do better rather than look for echo chambers.
I'd like to brag about how much loot I've got from these riots but the feds would probably come after me if I did. I hope you're all taking your reparations from these anti-white anti-male corporations too instead of just sitting here getting mad about niggers all day
When it comes to real world conflict, "Good" and "Evil" might as well be synonymous with "Victor" and "Loser". I can't think of any point in history where this wasn't the case.
The funny thing is these days, due to how the internet works. People can sit outside the propaganda bubble and get an idea on whats actually going on. Unlike the old days.
Sort of, yeah. I mean the whole "3/5ths a man" thing was part of the founding, and only landowning white men could vote, but yeah in general I agree with that.
Well we have authoritarianism in many forms if you're going off the classic definitions.
"Authoritarianism: The enforcement or advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom."
If you're talking about autocracy, that's different. Autocracy is the most effective structure to carry out drastic changes in a short period of time. Democracy is a good deal slower if it gets anything done at all, and people who are disenchanted with such slowness will always say: "Lets give power to a great politician and have him spearhead revolutionary changes."
I wonder if the masses have always wanted an autocrat.
What is interesting is that the original italian fascism did go back to communism. It started among syndicalists around Mussolini, who didn't agree with the internationalism fronted by the soviets. Similarly, the National Socialists in Germany were fond of socialist ideas, but really hated the idea of internationalism and giving up their national identity.
As @Forgetful Gynn said the National Socialists were no good guys, but to be quite honest what would have been the alternative? A communits putsch and more or less a communist German regime under Uncle Joe's control! Yeah, that would have been equally nightmarish, maybe even worse.
We should also never forget that all the "democratic" parties in Germany were so busy with their party infighting and at the same time fighting every other party that at the end they hated each other so much they couldn't even form a coalition government anymore. Which was the sole reason why Hindenburg declared Hitler Chancellor of the Reich by decree, there was just no other option available anymore.
If it weren't for the Treaty of Versailles absolutely crippling the military power and economy of Weimar Germany, democracy might have worked there. As it stood the Reichswehr was so pathetically small that the government was basically bullied by paramilitary groups, thereby cementing its poor legitimacy, and was forced to enact what we now call anarcho-tyranny just to prevent the commies from stealing the country. Trouble is modern America isn't that different, with the Treaty of Versailles replaced by a subversive media and educational establishment that ensures that any action taken against anyone who isn't a "Nazi" will be spun as the worst thing since the Wounded Knee massacre and therefore political suicide.
From what I've seen of the rioters and Twitter warriors: they're scared, cowards. The same way a soon-to-be prison bitch is scared of the big boys, so he joins them on shitting on some newcomer to not draw their attention on himself.
My hypothesis on Democrats inciting this riots: Coronavirus started a push for companies to GTFO of China. China does not want Nike, Addidas and the rest to go back to USA, so they push their Antifa lackeys to burn shit down so nobody will want to risk basing their businesses in America.
PRC has been oafish and crude in its propaganda and agitprop efforts. They probably hope this happens, but I cannot see them starting it. Also PRC has frequent small scale riots, so any exec doing his research won't care. Anyhow, the joggers assisted by Commie soyboys are burning down shitty inner cities, no one would go near anyhow.
Protect your own family and neighborhood, while also creating networks with all the other neighborhoods and families that are not under occupation for mutual support and information sharing. "Let the rest go to shit" means all that will be left is your neighborhood when they finally come for you. That means accepting that some parts of the country are essentially no go zones where they will loot and riot when they please, and the law will protect them and oppose anyone trying to stop them.
Residents of Minneapolis, Seattle, and Portland should abandon your cities. Don't fight for it. In a few years, after the depopulation levels out, you can get cheap real estate and move back if you like. NYC recovered from the 70s, and Detroit is already looking to come back.
But areas where the law still functions are where citizens need to be organizing now. Because sooner rather than later the authorities in these cities will either collapse, or be entirely subsumed by maoists. At that point the real struggle begins, and it's absolutely retarded that a large group of needed allies are going to be sitting it out in prison because they wanted to go fight over a statue.
Organize your neighborhood. Protect your businesses. Make friends with Rooftop Koreans.
Don't go out trying to protect the public square or defend statues, unless you live in a small enough town that they're literally outside your front door. There's multiple videos in this thread of smaller neighborhoods banding together to keep out rioters, antifa, and looters; but that's because they advance into your territory. If you advance out from your turf to protect a statue, you're outside your defensive network.
I can respect what the armed guys in Albuquerque were doing, and it seemed like they operated with discipline and restraint. But if you're going to talk war tactics, it was dumb. Every boogaloo post that says "we have to go over there and stop this!" should be considered glowing bait at best, and suicidal advice at worst.
A society that fights itself in its public has chosen destruction. Let the public spaces go to shit. Let the police and fire departments fail to answer the calls of the people who attack them. Re-organize the nation with moving vans and store closings. If your city survives, then you have a decent locale worth building up; and if not, then you have your answer.
Nothing about what's happening in democrat cities is sustainable. Better to be prepared and organized for what's coming on the other side of their inevitable collapse than sitting in jail.
Looks like a protestor got shot in Albuquerque at a statue demonstration. I'd recommend turning down the volume due to screeching women. Looks like the guy has been taken into custody, but will presumably claim self-defense due to the mob attacking him.
Protestors/rioters are fucking retarded. He pulled his weapon out early, what the fuck are they doing following and trying to attack a guy who has a gun in hand? At this point they are begging to be shot.
Oh there are lines. They are just not currently military. There are lines that determine whether "protecting your own family and neighborhood" will see you at the mercy of a Soros installed DA and jury full of dangerhairs and angry blmers, or fellow citizens that respect our Constitution and rule of law. There are lines that determine whether the local authorities will be enabling antifa to set up mini states and do as they please there, or tearing down those zones as soon as they are attempted to be created. There are lines that determine whether people engaged in mass looting and violence are arrested and tried, or have their charges dropped with a wink and a nod.
Protect your own family and neighborhood, while also creating networks with all the other neighborhoods and families that are not under occupation for mutual support and information sharing. "Let the rest go to shit" means all that will be left is your neighborhood when they finally come for you. That means accepting that some parts of the country are essentially no go zones where they will loot and riot when they please, and the law will protect them and oppose anyone trying to stop them. But areas where the law still functions are where citizens need to be organizing now. Because sooner rather than later the authorities in these cities will either collapse, or be entirely subsumed by maoists. At that point the real struggle begins, and it's absolutely retarded that a large group of needed allies are going to be sitting it out in prison because they wanted to go fight over a statue.
If people aren't preparing for this they best start. Ask anyone who's lived through civil war, a Ukrainian, Serbian, Syrian or Iraqi what it was like and this is the answer you'll get. It's worse in the States as at least in those wars the combatants were divided by ethnicity and religion. Do you know your neighbors? Are they good, God fearing Christians or pozzed bugmen who'll snitch on you for not swearing allegiance to BLM? Do you live in close proximity to a vibrant hood? Do you have a bug out plan? Do you have children or parents to protect? These are no longer theoretical requirements, the shit has already hit the fan. I thought this would be settling down by now and we'd get a month or two of peace before the Trump bucks ran out and shit got crazy again, clearly I was wrong. It doesn't seem real, like a dream.
What is interesting is that the original italian fascism did go back to communism. It started among syndicalists around Mussolini, who didn't agree with the internationalism fronted by the soviets. Similarly, the National Socialists in Germany were fond of socialist ideas, but really hated the idea of internationalism and giving up their national identity.
Holy shit this new sperg is incredible. So few things:
1-"Stop treating us like criminals!" Destruction of historical artifacts, including statues, IS A CRIME. YOU DUMB HOE.
2-"Defund the police!" *Slashes cop's tires.* A few minutes later. *Someone gets shot.* "OMG WHY ISN'T THE POLICE HERE CALL 911!" Yeah, ehm... They're changing their tires. YOU DUMB HOE.
3-So guy got assaulted with a skateboard (which technically counts as an improvised weapon legally) then ripped to the ground and assaulted with fists, as a mob chased him screaming "he's a cop, get him." And "Kill him!" And he only shot 1 person. And they want to claim it's a hatecrime. Bitch if anything that's an incredible display of self restraint I am in that situation and survival instinct's gonna scream at me to keep shooting at anything even close to where I am till I am safe. A real xenophobe would've gone for the killstreak!
4-So they're taking down the statue of Juan de Oñate. Due to "tensions between Hispanics and Native Americans" over the conquest of america. With the second group claiming Spaniards were genocidal.
Heh. Yeah. Wanna know why "Hispanics" are on the conquistadors' side? Here's some fun facts you should know:
A) Juan de Oñate was born in Zacatecas. His parents were at the very least mostly spanish. But if you've read my rants about race relations in the past, you know nationality matters more to spaniards, and thankfully thay's a trait many "other" hispanics do follow. And indeed El Paso financed what is currently the largest equestrian statue in the world to celebrate him.
B) Spain at the time as I explained before (and will explain in more detail in deep thoughts a few days from now) was one of the nicest imperialistic forces out there (except when dealing with protestants. Protestants got the torch.) Having outlawed slaving conquered people's soon after being founded and even before colon landed on america. And passing legislation over and over again to stomp the different legal loopholes slavers found until all that was left was the "encomiendas", and claiming natives from conquerred territories as their own. Legally, if you were born in spanish territories (and weren't born to slaves), you were a citizen of spain with full rights, no matter your skintone. Because for spain integration became a priority thanks to the lessons from the Reconquista.
This is seen today scientifically. As genes from south america not only are still widely present on their original territories, but even found all over spain due to the migration from "new spain" to the peninsula. Whereas north americans which were handled by the anglos... well. They got mostly genocided and their genes are night impossible to find outside of their reserves. Yeah, that's right, while spaniards were far from perfect, the difference in how they treated their conquest when compared with everyone else was so large that it's left an undeniable biological mark in the gene pool of the human race. "Genocydal" my ass!
C) Indeed the reason for Juan de Oñate's expansion north was, wait for it: the establishment of new missions! Why is this important? Well aside from the fact that the missionaries were literally the nicest people you could find at the time, seriously, they had one more legal reason to do it: the Holy See had banned catholics from enslaving other catholics by this time. (That's why slaves from catholic ethnicity were only found on british colonies.) Meaning if you were from a territory with missions in it and had converted, not only would spain recognize you as a citizen, but they had the right to come knocking on the doors of slavers from other countries if they tried to get to you and not-so-nicely inform them that they were playing with fire, and they could get burnt... Literally. Again. "Genocydal."
D) So why is Juan de Oñate "controversial" if this guy literally was about the best deal you could get when it comes to being conquered? Well let's actually get to his story:
Oñate got permission to conquer New Mexico (which also included Texas at the time), and he was one of the more severe rulers between the conquistadors. Known even by his own men for taking shit from no one and responding really poorly to any kind of insubordination or "desertion of duty", sleep on the job, you get the whip. He ruled with an iron fist. But it must be emphasized, even his close friends got punished severely if they fucked up, he did not discriminate, he hated everyone equally.
So the colony is created, the missions are launched, most "indians" are integrated, which is no small labor! Do take into account that his caravan had to deal with ambushes and raids by the natives the entire fucking way there, specially since they left Zacatecas! Indeed Oñate was not the first explorer to get there, but everyone before him got SLAUGHTERED TO THE LAST MAN by the natives, the fact that they even considered peaceful integration when the natives had consistently killed every single person efore them shows you spaniards had quite a different goal when compared to anglos. And the 3 neighboring tribes which preferred to stay independent, Being Hopi, Zuñi and Acoma are contacted and made the offer to integrate, which they refuse, then made the offer to coexist. With varying results.
By varying results I mean Zuñi and Hopi managed to coexist quite well and were relatively successful at least till the anglos came and you know how that went. Though they still have reserves so at the very least they survived. Acoma, on the other hand, were visited by the Maese de Campo of Oñate, Juan de Zaldivar, and 16 soldiers. And at first led them inside the village, where they separated the group in two, and then slaughtered them. Only 5 soldiers survived by having to throw themselves off the side of the mountain to escape. (6 managed to make it to the bottom but the 6th one broke his leg and was slaughtered by the natives when they got down.)
Revisionists nowadays claim the spaniards were there to demand food from the natives and the Acoma only responded with violence in self defense. This isn't just false, it's ludicrous. A Maese de Campo would NEVER have been sent on such a mission, they were diplomats, he was sent, as the paperwork proves, to try to establish coexistance with Acoma and hopefuly integrate them like they had integrated their neighbors.
So, now, put yourselves on the skin of Oñate. You're already known for being a hardass. And you need that reputation 'cause shit's not going very well supplies wise, no mine's been found yet and people are fairly impoverished. You've had to beg the king to let you continue specifically so as to not leave the people there at the mercy of the anglos and to hopefuly bring the missions so at this point you're a glorified ONG with pointy sticks. And now one of the largest villages, unprovoked, uses deception and ambush tactics to slaughter a diplomatic body, killing one of your high ranking personnel. What is even worse your cities are currently on the plains, unprotected, while Acoma hides on the only rock in the mountain. And there are rumors that the indians are planning to siege El Real, claiming that Spaniard's weapons are "just for show" after having seen them being used in the Fiestas de Sortijas y Cañas. (Which was a grievous misunderstanding by the indians btw. Yes the weapons used in those games were for show. 'Cause said games were reenactments. Those were obviously not the same weapons used in real wars. Thats like if chinks saw american reenactors and claimed the american army is using airsoft guns.) And indeed the ambushes have grown in size so much since Acoma rebelled than now you got a whole damned battalion of female peasants joining the guard 'cause there's not enough men. What do you do?
Well he did what most would do. Sent in a force, with an ultimatum: this is war. Surrender or die. Then when Acoma predictably answered with violence, his force responded with more violence. Way more violence than the Acoma could ever hope to contain. And yet even then, even at this point of "you were just asking for a fucking darwin award" they sent with this force the god damned missionaries to try and save as many indians as possible and ensure the civilians in the village weren't harmed. Because spaniards just craved martyrdom it seems.
Hundreds of Acoma got slaughtered, the rest captured. And far from showing even the slightest bit of understanding the indians acxused Oñate of using witchcraft, claiming the spaniards had been aided by a supernatural horseman accompanied by a woman, and sworn to rebel and fight to the last men. Making the point by staging the ritualistic suicide of 2 of their own with a written declaration left alongside them. Now I have to say this is exactly the point at which I'd have just slaughtered them all. I mean, Oñate had to send a massively numerically inferior force due to having to cut his army to protect the villages, and even then spaniards had shown a ludicrous superiority when it comes to actual combat prowess, and now these guys are all captured because as the missionaries kept telling the soldiers: "Quese aquese el valor de los castellanos. Vencer sin sangre y muerte al que acometen." ("This is the value of castillians, to defeat without blood or death those who they subject.") And not only do they not show the slightest bit of humility. But they literally swear they will kill you as soon as they have a chance to. That's it. No amount of compassion can stop this. Just fucking kill them all already, they are begging for death. But no. Oñate just gave the order to get every single able man who is still in condition to fight, and cut one of their feet so they are not in condition to fight anymore...
And that is why the Acoma now claim he was a GENOCYDAL MONSTER. I'm sorry but WHAT?! DO YOU PEOPLE EVEN KNOW THE DEFINITION OF GENOCYDE? Up there you got the anglos passing entire villages by the sword without provocation and here this motherfucker not only repeatedly tries to integrate you peacefuly, even after you slaughtered his emissary, but sends missionaries to ensure his soldiers don't cause unnecessary deaths IN THE MIDDLE OF A FUCKING SIEGE and you are stupid enough to SWEAR ALLEGIANCE TO HIS DEATH after he's already undeniably won and has you at his mercy, and all he does is maim your ass so you CAN'T keep fighting. Fucker had the patience of a saint!
What is interesting is that the original italian fascism did go back to communism. It started among syndicalists around Mussolini, who didn't agree with the internationalism fronted by the soviets. Similarly, the National Socialists in Germany were fond of socialist ideas, but really hated the idea of internationalism and giving up their national identity.
Socialism means: “The common good before the individual good.”
Socialism means: “Think not of yourself, but of the whole, of the people and the state.”
Socialism means: “Not the same for everyone, but to each his own.”
These sentences make clear what we call “German socialism.” No one is a socialist who does not live according to them. §A new order grows from these sentences: The sentence “To each his own” has killed the “mass,” the slogan of Marxism, and replaced it with the “community.” Every community grows around a leader. He is the center of its order, which forms around him. A number of these leaders form a larger community, and stand around their leader as a living order. It all grows from below—the number growing ever smaller—like a pyramid, and finds its epitome in the Führer of the Reich. All are bound by the community. Each community is a living order. The whole, the great living order, is the people’s community.
It binds inextricably person to person, leader to leader. It does not give the same to everyone, but to each his own. It creates the socialist people in a socialist state. Each has his task in the community, given to him according to his gifts. Never do all have the same task, but rather each his own. His task gives him a place in the community, If he fulfills it completely, he wins the esteem of the others. He is happy, even if his task is not large in the overall scheme of things. Such communities grow in the field, in assault troops, in artillery battalions, in submarines, in S.A. units. Strong, bound forever together, wordlessly understanding each other, together until the end, sworn to a common goal.
Strength grows from such communities, and from them grows the state. We want community in Germany so that we can stand unshaken in the face of whatever may come. The mass is conquered by the community. It gives to each his own, to each his goal and his task, and everyone together one goal: the people’s community in the new state.
PRC has been oafish and crude in its propaganda and agitprop efforts. They probably hope this happens, but I cannot see them starting it. Also PRC has frequent small scale riots, so any exec doing his research won't care. Anyhow, the joggers assisted by Commie soyboys are burning down shitty inner cities, no one would go near anyhow.
Protestors/rioters are fucking retarded. He pulled his weapon out early, what the fuck are they doing following and trying to attack a guy who has a gun in hand? At this point they are begging to be shot.
Which might be part of their plan as it would give them the long needed martyr (a martyr of their own making and they then could dump the PR disaster Floyd) and the blue states the reasons to come down on everyone who has a gun with domestic terrorist charges.
