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Phenotype? That's a real big word, and too complex for our troglodyte brains. Must be some type of pizza topping. Interesting how all these super smart scientastic types say nothing but the same 'ol "BUt InTeRsechs!!!.

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Oh wow, where I'm from the concept of phenotype is like high school biology. Seriously, any human geneticist worth their degree would understand that intersex conditions are due to mutations and, while natural, are an undesirable outcome.

Also I checked that Sophia Frentz person very quickly. Typically when you search a bioscientist you will first find publications and university associations then other crap. With Frentz a boring-ass Twitter was the very first thing you find. This person claiming to be a PhD has apparently 3 publications (that would not be enough for a PhD here) and Frentz is not the first author in any of those. They're all basic genetics, though in one of them the abstract discusses the survival of male hemizygotes with X-linked mutations. Apparently the first author of that paper did not agree about biological sex being a continuous scale. :story:
 
I think it's rather counterproductive at this point to categorize sexuality by categories relevant to social statistics and policy when professionals such as Blanchard want to find out how their minds work and we want to laugh at exceptional individuals. There are, after all, only two sexes and therefore only three sexual orientations.

Paraphiliacs are "prison gay" with respect to humankind. A male troon with a wife and children is not heterosexual, he's an AGP. An aiden who faps to gay bois and hooks up with a fellow aiden is not lesbian, and an aiden who is content to fap to 2d gay bois in solitude but doesn't want to be anywhere near a real penis is not straight. Objective vital statistics reporting would see heterosexual, homosexual, and celibate respectively, which is important for things like "will I be murdered if I go to Saudi Arabia", not so much for psychiatry and cow contemplation.
I disagree, I think their sexuality matters because many go to such lengths to deny it. Frame it right and you can notice how hilariously dump these people are and often quite stereotypical. Despite their best efforts MtFs still act like entitled sex obessed men and FtM like overly sensitive girls that need admiring but no advantages from people they don't like. It's similar with chasers just often from different reason. If you want to get lay with a tranny playing totally into their delution is the key. I'm tots hetero honey, your penis is the only only penis for me.
 
Oh wow, where I'm from the concept of phenotype is like high school biology. Seriously, any human geneticist worth their degree would understand that intersex conditions are due to mutations and, while natural, are an undesirable outcome.
It’s like saying that people having 5 fingers on a palm is a bigotry because some are born with bigger/smaller amount of fingers due to mutations. Nothing wrong with having that condition but evolution gave us 5 fingers for a reason, and having different amount makes it harder to live and use tools. Same with intersex people - they are not healthy in reproductive way and are not able to make kids.
 
Oh wow, where I'm from the concept of phenotype is like high school biology. Seriously, any human geneticist worth their degree would understand that intersex conditions are due to mutations and, while natural, are an undesirable outcome.

Also I checked that Sophia Frentz person very quickly. Typically when you search a bioscientist you will first find publications and university associations then other crap. With Frentz a boring-ass Twitter was the very first thing you find. This person claiming to be a PhD has apparently 3 publications (that would not be enough for a PhD here) and Frentz is not the first author in any of those. They're all basic genetics, though in one of them the abstract discusses the survival of male hemizygotes with X-linked mutations. Apparently the first author of that paper did not agree about biological sex being a continuous scale. :story:

To be fair having three publications pretty much qualifies them as a scientist by any reasonable metric, and it is usually the last one who is most important in official publications. She isn't the last one either but its good to keep in mind (and is why the papers you list with 15+ people show the first couple of names with a ... then list the last one). I found something suggesting that she was a PHD student in 2014, so a publication in 2017 would mean she had at least three years as a PHD student suggesting her degree is legit.

Its still nonsense appeal to authority, but my money is on legit PHD.
 
To be fair having three publications pretty much qualifies them as a scientist by any reasonable metric, and it is usually the last one who is most important in official publications. She isn't the last one either but its good to keep in mind (and is why the papers you list with 15+ people show the first couple of names with a ... then list the last one). I found something suggesting that she was a PHD student in 2014, so a publication in 2017 would mean she had at least three years as a PHD student suggesting her degree is legit.

Its still nonsense appeal to authority, but my money is on legit PHD.

I've noticed that when you're prepping for your PhD you're supposed to be the first author as the last author typically is the group leader/supervisor who guided the study, meaning they're of course most important but not the the biggest contributor writing- or labwork-wise. But this can be different in other fields/countries. The guidelines I've heard most often are that when you're working towards your PhD you should try to be the first author in at least two different articles. This also typically helps with getting funding.

But yeah, I'm not saying Frentz cannot have a PhD, it is very possible that she is. My frame of reference is based on what is typically done where I live. But given her publication history I would not really call her an authority on the subject as three publications is not really that much (and none of them have anything to do with intersex conditions).
 
Oh wow, where I'm from the concept of phenotype is like high school biology. Seriously, any human geneticist worth their degree would understand that intersex conditions are due to mutations and, while natural, are an undesirable outcome.

They like to bang on about phenotypes in the hope that no-one asks them to produce that elusive 'third gamete'.

Human biology is fascinatingly messy and sex chromosomes are no exception, but reproductive sex is an absolute binary. No speggs here.
 
Speaking of research, I’ve determined the pan- in pansexual is short for “panniculus” because everybody who lives that crap is a landwhale. God damn fat women, grown some self respect and marry a man who won’t steal your clothes, fuck.

I’m submitting this shocking finding to the journal of troonery. I will be the grad student wordslave and null will be the PI/corresponding author. Who wants to kiss my ass so they can contribute fuck all but get squeezed among the dozen authors in between, 11 of whom also did fuck all and one of whom did the bulk of the actual research?
 
Reddit troons finally tackle the issue of black vs. trans, and predictably it's 'but WHY can't I exploit black civil rights history to get into womens' toilets!1!'.
As a bonus strawman, OP claims not being allowed to do so means they are no longer allowed to be black, while we all know that being both black and trans confers near untouchable status. A get out of jail reeeeee card if you like.
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Some spicy downvoting in the comments and of course some suicide baiting:
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Meanwhile the fellows at r/FTMfemininity definitely have a signature style and it's 'smelly attention seeker'.
Honestly, it may as well be a bpd support group. Imagine needing so many challenges to function psychologically that you willingly make yourself look like a man only to yell and bitch about how feminine you can be.

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The final bag of cringe got breast implants five years ago and started testosterone two years ago. Words fail.

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He might want to check with his gay dads about their real stance on troons, if that's the case. Or at least modern troons vs. the older ones who were a bit more about just trying to live their life in peace.

An increasing number of gays are turning against troons, not that a lot of them are allowed to admit it. Discovering your fight for equality has become about supporting delusional men and women who simultaneously hate you and want to fuck you has a way of turning people off, not just the T, but the parts of the alphabet that aid and abet it.

We're a bit late to the show, but it's blindingly obvious that troons are not our friends: stealing our history, vocabulary, and organizations. And I cannot fathom why so many gay men don't see this.
 
Irish e-thot who somehow identifies as male despite posting several selfies a day with heavy makeup and her cleavage on display.

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"Blavk" (though to be fair that's likely a typo)
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"Wight"
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And dyed armpit hair:

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Nah. They'll probably argue it's a transgender attention gap or something. Get on fixing that, SJWs! The gender pay gap can wait! The troons are counting on you!
The gender pay gap doesn't exist so feminists and other SJWs may as well forget about economic capital and make that sob story about social capital instead.
 
Observing the FTM abominations above, I have to ask: who is this *for*?

I get that MTFs are either gays with fetish for straight guys (15%) or straights with AGP (the rest). I get who this is for: this is for *them*. This is sexual and for *them*. Revolting but makes sense and tbqh I don’t give a shit about HSTS. If they weren’t a Trojan horse I wouldn’t even mind them in the ladies.

I get your typical flavours of FTM. Fujos LARPing as bishonen, check. Self-loathing lesbians, check. Confused middle school autists, check. Ok. Fujos doing it for sexual reasons, lesbians for homophobic reasons, autists because it becomes their Special Interest, and they’re more vulnerable to both exploitation and herd behavior.

I even!!! Get your “enbies” for the most part: Heterosexual attention whores. Check. Usually adopt more integrated androgynous looks OR continue to present as the gender conforming person they are, just with social media superpowers inaccessible to them otherwise.

But these. THESE. Who is this for? Who? Who wants this absolutely aggressive, unsettling ugliness? Who are they doing this for, both the gender patchwork hobgoblin part AND the selfies part? Who wants this, who wants to see this?

Here is the thing: AGPs become the girls they want to fuck themselves. HSTS become the girls their targets want to fuck. Lesbians well, they’ll end up just looking more butch and lots of other lesbians like that. They may even find themselves attractive as butchier lesbians.

These FTMs though, they CANNOT be becoming the boys they want to fuck. Because look at them. They don’t want to fuck themselves. They don’t. So WHY.

It breaks my brain, it breaks my understanding of human motivation. Maybe I’m just not “social media“ enough, but I don’t see the reward. It’s just all so...disturbing. And in the worst, irreversible. I get uglifying yourself in that young pretty girl Man Repellent way. Just wearing clothes that men won’t think look good on you, ok, sure. But like that last monster up there, with the implants. What or who is this for? WHY.
 
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Observing the FTM abominations above, I have to ask: who is this *for*?

I get that MTFs are either gays with fetish for straight guys (15%) or straights with AGP (the rest). I get who this is for: this is for *them*. This is sexual and for *them*. Revolting but makes sense and tbqh I don’t give a shit about HSTS. If they weren’t a Trojan horse I wouldn’t even mind them in the ladies.

I get your typical flavours of FTM. Fujos LARPing as bishonen, check. Self-loathing lesbians, check. Confused middle school autists, check. Ok. Fujos doing it for sexual reasons, lesbians for homophobic reasons, autists because it becomes their Special Interest, and they’re more vulnerable to both exploitation and herd behavior.

I even!!! Get your “enbies” for the most part: Heterosexual attention whores. Check. Usually adopt more integrated androgynous looks OR continue to present as the gender conforming person they are, just with social media superpowers inaccessible to them otherwise.

But these. THESE. Who is this for? Who? Who wants this absolutely aggressive, unsettling ugliness? Who are they doing this for, both the gender patchwork hobgoblin part AND the selfies part? Who wants this, who wants to see this?

Here is the thing: AGPs become the girls they want to fuck themselves. HSTS become the girls their targets want to fuck. Lesbians well, they’ll end up just looking more butch and lots of other lesbians like that. They may even find themselves attractive as butchier lesbians.

These FTMs though, they CANNOT be becoming the boys they want to fuck. Because look at them. They don’t want to fuck themselves. They don’t. So WHY.

It breaks my brain, it breaks my understanding of human motivation. Maybe I’m just not “social media“ enough, but I don’t see the reward. It’s just all so...disturbing. And in the worst, irreversible. I get uglifying yourself in that young pretty girl Man Repellent way. Just wearing clothes that men won’t think look good on you, ok, sure. But like that last monster up there, with the implants. What or who is this for? WHY.
I'm going to guess bad touch issues. Sadly many young girls that got sexually abused unconsciously make themselves ugly. Be it trough eating too much or little, shaving their head and getting tattoos or just becoming a super mega bitch, they want not be desirable to those that would hurt them. There are quite a few detransioners that have been sexually abused and told that in reflection becoming not girl was largely about wanting escape that.
 
The gender pay gap doesn't exist so feminists and other SJWs may as well forget about economic capital and make that sob story about social capital instead.
That was the joke. They'll have to go from their usual imaginary nontroversy, to a brand new one.

Observing the FTM abominations above, I have to ask: who is this *for*?

I get that MTFs are either gays with fetish for straight guys (15%) or straights with AGP (the rest). I get who this is for: this is for *them*. This is sexual and for *them*. Revolting but makes sense and tbqh I don’t give a shit about HSTS. If they weren’t a Trojan horse I wouldn’t even mind them in the ladies.

I get your typical flavours of FTM. Fujos LARPing as bishonen, check. Self-loathing lesbians, check. Confused middle school autists, check. Ok. Fujos doing it for sexual reasons, lesbians for homophobic reasons, autists because it becomes their Special Interest, and they’re more vulnerable to both exploitation and herd behavior.

I even!!! Get your “enbies” for the most part: Heterosexual attention whores. Check. Usually adopt more integrated androgynous looks OR continue to present as the gender conforming person they are, just with social media superpowers inaccessible to them otherwise.

But these. THESE. Who is this for? Who? Who wants this absolutely aggressive, unsettling ugliness? Who are they doing this for, both the gender patchwork hobgoblin part AND the selfies part? Who wants this, who wants to see this?

Here is the thing: AGPs become the girls they want to fuck themselves. HSTS become the girls their targets want to fuck. Lesbians well, they’ll end up just looking more butch and lots of other lesbians like that. They may even find themselves attractive as butchier lesbians.

These FTMs though, they CANNOT be becoming the boys they want to fuck. Because look at them. They don’t want to fuck themselves. They don’t. So WHY.

It breaks my brain, it breaks my understanding of human motivation. Maybe I’m just not “social media“ enough, but I don’t see the reward. It’s just all so...disturbing. And in the worst, irreversible. I get uglifying yourself in that young pretty girl Man Repellent way. Just wearing clothes that men won’t think look good on you, ok, sure. But like last monster up there, with the implants. What or who is this for? WHY.
If you look into detransitioning stories, most of them seem to be of females who were groomed hard. MTF tend to stay the course and die on whatever beach they chose to fight on, while in FTM's case there's just a truly enormous amount of peer pressure to fit in, "embrace your true gender" and rush to get top surgery. Even if the impetus of their dysphoria (if they have any) is sexual assault or neglect during childhood. But the point is, sometimes it becomes too much, that's why you see a lot more FTM detrans than MTF detrans untl after it's way too late.

Transgender status on troons is the definition of a meme: it's a self-propagating idea that spreads like a virus. And it's not hard to see why: at its core being transgender isn't so much about gender as it makes people feel good about themselves. But it does so in a very toxic and self-destructive way. They become unique individuals, with a struggle they have to undergo every day, and they receive massive amounts of attention from the other troons around them. And above all, they don't have any objectives in life until becoming transgender gives them one: transitioning. Transitioning gives them a list of objectives to achieve, each one of them met with fanfarre from other troons. Buy your first clothes. Put on your first round of makeup. Get called "ma'am" or "sir" for the first time. Face your first "transphobe". Etc, etc.

That's why so many of them end up either regretting going under the knife, or doubling down on it and calling it the best thing it happened to them even though their front hole would only ever attract creepy chasers. They don't have the transitioning process drip-feeding them distractions, small "victories" and self-esteem boosts.
 
That is all excellent, thank you.

It seems to be describing a vidya type experience. Social transition is the game proper. Hormones, surgeries, these are DLC, you gotta keep paying for more content. Eventually there is no more DLC, game is over. Then what?
 
Observing the FTM abominations above, I have to ask: who is this *for*?

I get that MTFs are either gays with fetish for straight guys (15%) or straights with AGP (the rest). I get who this is for: this is for *them*. This is sexual and for *them*. Revolting but makes sense and tbqh I don’t give a shit about HSTS. If they weren’t a Trojan horse I wouldn’t even mind them in the ladies.

I get your typical flavours of FTM. Fujos LARPing as bishonen, check. Self-loathing lesbians, check. Confused middle school autists, check. Ok. Fujos doing it for sexual reasons, lesbians for homophobic reasons, autists because it becomes their Special Interest, and they’re more vulnerable to both exploitation and herd behavior.

I even!!! Get your “enbies” for the most part: Heterosexual attention whores. Check. Usually adopt more integrated androgynous looks OR continue to present as the gender conforming person they are, just with social media superpowers inaccessible to them otherwise.

But these. THESE. Who is this for? Who? Who wants this absolutely aggressive, unsettling ugliness? Who are they doing this for, both the gender patchwork hobgoblin part AND the selfies part? Who wants this, who wants to see this?

Here is the thing: AGPs become the girls they want to fuck themselves. HSTS become the girls their targets want to fuck. Lesbians well, they’ll end up just looking more butch and lots of other lesbians like that. They may even find themselves attractive as butchier lesbians.

These FTMs though, they CANNOT be becoming the boys they want to fuck. Because look at them. They don’t want to fuck themselves. They don’t. So WHY.

It breaks my brain, it breaks my understanding of human motivation. Maybe I’m just not “social media“ enough, but I don’t see the reward. It’s just all so...disturbing. And in the worst, irreversible. I get uglifying yourself in that young pretty girl Man Repellent way. Just wearing clothes that men won’t think look good on you, ok, sure. But like that last monster up there, with the implants. What or who is this for? WHY.

To me it's an extreme form of attention seeking and a desire for validation; maybe their parents didn't love them enough, or they were bullied/excluded at school, and since gender bending is en vogue at the moment it gets them positive attention online in the form of "so valid uwu!"

They also seem to be doing it as an extreme middle finger to society - they have this idea in their head that society is unfairly restrictive with what is and isn't acceptable for each sex to do, and think that going on hormones to grow beards, tit hair and mega-clits while still wearing makeup and dresses is making some sort of statement. see: Milo Stewart and her desire to become a "gender confusion".
 
Was scrolling through r/FTMfemininity and was shocked when I saw this one.

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And then I kept scrolling and it was right back to the gratuitous makeup, long hair, and weird outfits.

Oh God:
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19th century businessman steals the saloon madam’s lingerie.
 
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