2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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Memes are bleeding into reality again, someone go check on the Geller Field Generator.
 
I don't honestly think Trump has done that great of a job (could still vote for him, but no guarantee), and I don't think Biden's going to do anything close to a good job either...should I just flip a coin?

Vote for Trump. I think Trump's done a good job, but I agree it's debatable. Biden is literally senile, will definitely NOT do a good job, and more importantly, Trump winning a second turn would send the Democrats absolutely pigfuck NUTS for the next decade or more.
 
Vote for Trump. I think Trump's done a good job, but I agree it's debatable. Biden is literally senile, will definitely NOT do a good job, and more importantly, Trump winning a second turn would send the Democrats absolutely pigfuck NUTS for the next decade or more.

I personally consider myself a classic Liberal, but even I can admit that the current incarnation of the left is toxic. That being said, Trump hasn't done all that much to fight them. Extreme leftism/SJWness still marches on, stronger than ever before. Electing a president just to "trigger" people might sound fun, but I aint feeling it, especially since they'd use that triggering to get stronger. Also, in terms of mental faculties, I think Trump is somewhat suspect as well.

I guess one of the last major things I'm looking at is who Biden chooses as a running mate before I decide.
 
I personally consider myself a classic Liberal, but even I can admit that the current incarnation of the left is toxic. That being said, Trump hasn't done all that much to fight them. Extreme leftism/SJWness still marches on, stronger than ever before. Electing a president just to "trigger" people might sound fun, but I aint feeling it, especially since they'd use that triggering to get stronger. Also, in terms of mental faculties, I think Trump is somewhat suspect as well.

I guess one of the last major things I'm looking at is who Biden chooses as a running mate before I decide.

As a fellow liberal and former Democrat, I'm voting for Trump for two reasons.

One, Joe Biden is clearly suffering from extreme senile dementia and I would not trust him with a butter knife, let alone the nuclear codes.

Two, while Trump hasn't done as much as he could to fight the SJW left, keep in mind that part of why the Democrats are still promoting the SJW party line is because they are convinced that 2016 was a total fluke and that Trump is just a temporary aberration.

Trump getting reelected in 2020 would be a harsh reality check for the Democrats and it could cause another realignment or reassessment of the party's platform. It has happened before with the Reagan and Clinton years.

Carter's loss to Reagan in 1980 was written off by the DNC as acceptable because of the Iranian Revolution and the subsequent hostage crisis and the economy being in the shitter during most of the 70's.

But then came the massive Democratic losses in 1984 and 1988, the former of which was the biggest presidential landslide in American history. It became clear that Reagan's wins were not a fluke at that point, and Bush Sr. was really just a third term of Reagan by proxy.

So in 1992, the Democrats reformulated their platform and their strategy with Bill Clinton and it paid off for them.

Hell, the Republicans have been undergoing a similar realignment with the rise of Trump, since the GOP has only very recently started to wake up to the fact that nobody likes the neocons and the Religious Right is a dying husk at best.
 
Trump getting reelected in 2020 would be a harsh reality check for the Democrats and it could cause another realignment or reassessment of the party's platform. It has happened before with the Reagan and Clinton years.

While I would potentially agree with you, the Clinton years didn't have the internet and social media amplifying each person's individual message until it formed a cacophony where each voice ended up being pushed to the extreme and those extreme voices were the only ones that got heard. I don't see how there could be a realignment in our current times tbh. That being said, if I felt that was even a possibility, I'd be out there campaigning for Trump right now. Still, one other fear I have is how the extreme right would take the message of Trump winning. I'm not a fan of either the extreme right or left to be honest.
 
While I would potentially agree with you, the Clinton years didn't have the internet and social media amplifying each person's individual message until it formed a cacophony where each voice ended up being pushed to the extreme and those extreme voices were the only ones that got heard. I don't see how there could be a realignment in our current times tbh. That being said, if I felt that was even a possibility, I'd be out there campaigning for Trump right now. Still, one other fear I have is how the extreme right would take the message of Trump winning. I'm not a fan of either the extreme right or left to be honest.

I hate both the extreme right and the extreme left myself, but I do think there is still the possibility of a realignment even in the age of social media, but it needs to happen sooner rather than later.

As long as the Boomers and Gen X'ers are still in charge of the DNC, they will shift away from SJW IdPol even if just for the pragmatic purposes of getting reelected and keeping their wealth.

We saw how quickly they acted when it looked like Bernie had a shot at getting the nomination and derailing the DNC gravy train.

If Trump wins a second term, they'll shift gears so they can win 2024 and prevent further losses in the 2022 midterms.

Trump and McConnell have already stacked the courts extensively against the Left thanks to Obama leaving too many vacancies in the federal judiciary, and even the more activist federal circuit courts are gradually realigning. With RBG nearing the end of her life, they don't want to lose any more judges than they already have. They will realign after a Trump victory, even if it's just to get reelected and keep from losing more judges in the courts.

The real fear is the Millennials and the Early Zoomers becoming the dominant clique before a party realignment, and The Squad is proof of that fear being valid.

As it is, AOC is being primaried in her own district and the Democratic Party clearly hate her guts at this point. So even in the age of social media, I still think there's still some potential for a realignment for now.

Now, the Core Gen Z kids who were born after 2000 are typically a lot less woke than the Early Gen Z ones that were born in the late 90's. The Early Zoomers really are more like an extension of the Late Millennials in their overall generational values than anything else.

But the oldest of the Core Zoomer demographic are just now reaching voting age and 2020 will be the first presidential election they'll be able to take part in.
 
But the oldest of the Core Zoomer demographic are just now reaching voting age and 2020 will be the first presidential election they'll be able to take part in.

This does worry me. It feels like we are reaching an endpoint for the left, but like I said, I'm not a fan of the extreme right either and they've fully entrenched themselves with Trump and crew. I guess I'll just ultimately wait for Biden to announce his running mate and go from there. I may just not vote for either president at all.

At the end of the day, if Trump gets reelected, I'll be fine with that.
 
This does worry me. It feels like we are reaching an endpoint for the left, but like I said, I'm not a fan of the extreme right either and they've fully entrenched themselves with Trump and crew. I guess I'll just ultimately wait for Biden to announce his running mate and go from there. I may just not vote for either president at all.

At the end of the day, if Trump gets reelected, I'll be fine with that.

Eh, I think the Core Zoomers will probably be centrist or center-liberal or largely apolitical like Generation X was before them.

They may vote for Trump in 2020 to kick out the wokesters, but the one generation that I think really could swing hard to the right as a generational trend would be the Alpha Generation kids and possibly the Late Zoomers, both of which are still school-age kids and not able to vote yet.

I think the Millennials trended so far to the left for a variety of reasons, one of the biggest being that the Religious Right and the Neocons were at their height of influence and power when they were kids.

Keep in mind that Generation Alpha and the youngest of the Zoomers are at the same age during the peak of the SJW Left that the Millennials and the oldest of Zoomers were at when the old Religious Right was at its peak
 
This does worry me. It feels like we are reaching an endpoint for the left, but like I said, I'm not a fan of the extreme right either and they've fully entrenched themselves with Trump and crew. I guess I'll just ultimately wait for Biden to announce his running mate and go from there. I may just not vote for either president at all.

At the end of the day, if Trump gets reelected, I'll be fine with that.

They really haven't. The Extreme right hates Trump because he has Jewish grandchildren. They think he's a center-left liberal. They're just happier with him than the alternatives.
 
They really haven't. The Extreme right hates Trump because he has Trump's Chosen grandchildren. They think he's a center-left liberal. They're just happier with him than the alternatives.
At this point, it feels like they've dug in their heels with him. It'd be very weird and very ineffective after he leaves office for them to them to say "Oh no, I was always against him."
 
The better question might be whether you think now is the best time to "empower" the Left. Don't think too deeply about it being a choice purely between Trump or Biden, think more about what the Democrats have done with their political power over the last four years. Legislatively they've accomplished practically nothing because they've spent nearly a half-decade now doggedly pursuing Trump to the detriment of anyone and anything that steps out in front of them, and their party is being dominated by an ideology that is overtly racist and willing to use any tool at its disposal to ruin the life of anyone who tries to step across whatever arbitrary line they've drawn most-recently.

Think about how often this party has made overt attacks against men, overt attacks against Caucasians or even minorities if they "dare" to align themselves with the "opposing faction." When Kanye West came out in support of Trump, for example, they pulled no punches and made every attempt they could to brand him as an unmedicated lunatic and to devalue him as a person (punitive psychiatry.)

Think about the way they attempted to rip Kavanaugh into shreds over baseless and nonsensical allegations while downplaying or even outright ignoring allegations that were leveled at any member of their political party, which now includes Joe Biden. They're supposed to be the party of women's rights and gender equality, and yet the prevalence of sexual misconduct in their ranks is so egregious that even exceptionally Left-leaning publications like VOX pen articles like, "Democrats Have a Sexual Harassment Problem."

Think about their rabid pursuit of the Russian Collusion story that stretched over the last three years, practically tearing the country in half while they sprinted towards the finish line and trampled anyone in their way, ruining every life they passed and "unpersoning" anyone who dared to doubt that the President of the United States was an asset of Vladimir Putin, only for the tree they planted to bear absolutely no fruit whatsoever. When Mueller's investigation completely failed to produce a scrap of evidence, they turned justice on its head and demanded that Trump "prove himself innocent", which is the absolute antithesis of our Republic and our judicial system.

They were immediately willing to throw one of our founding principles-- innocent until proven guilty-- straight out of the window in a mad dash to destroy their political opponent. That opponent is a world-famous billionaire occupying the most-powerful position in the world. Do you think if they gained any power at the moment that any of us would be spared that same treatment?

I wouldn't presume to tell anyone how to vote. How someone votes is none of my business, but I would tell them to take a seat somewhere and have a good, long think about whether or not they consider it wise to empower a party that has spent the last four years descending into ideological insanity. A vote for Biden isn't just a vote for a strange, old man. A vote for a Biden is a vote for the continuation of all of the Far-Left policies that have been dominating the party for the past several years, because you know as well as I do that they aren't going to stop.
 
I don't honestly think Trump has done that great of a job (could still vote for him, but no guarantee), and I don't think Biden's going to do anything close to a good job either...should I just flip a coin?

Dude, if you rob me of Trump Twitter Season 2, I will never forgive you.
 
I can admit that the current incarnation of the left is toxic. That being said, Trump hasn't done all that much to fight them.
Wait, what?

What more can one man do? The left is reeling right now. They're throwing everything they have at him and it's all been for naught.

The best way to deal with the left is to let it destroy itself. The revolution always eats its own. And that's what's happening now, slowly but surely. Out of all the weeks to say he hasn't fought the left you pick this one?

Have you seen how Bernie Bros are turning on Bernie for bending the knee? How the Bernie threw his former press secretary under the bus? How Bernie attacked his supporters by saying not voting for Biden is irresponsible? How the neolibs are trying to shame the progressives into 'Vote Blue No Matter Who?'

There will be a civil war in the Democratic Party once Trump wins again. And it will happen because he stood tall against the onslaught.

Dude, I don't know what more you could ever expect from the man.
 
Trump's Twitter would be a lot funnier if he wasn't in charge of the country.

I like clowns, but I wouldn't want one performing surgery on me.

What? Twitter is literally full of clowns and fucktards who are in charge of the country. Have you never read anything written by the people who work for the New York Times, any Democratic Governor since the Wu Flu kicked off, the British police?

Clearly, you are not a person of class nor taste.

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. That being said, Trump hasn't done all that much to fight them. Extreme leftism/SJWness still marches on, stronger than ever before.
I don't think Extreme Leftism is stronger than ever before.

Look at Bernie, while Joesph Robbinette Biden isn't exactly a centrist he is definitely not as Left Wing as Bernie was..and Bernie got completely blown out in the Primary. The only reason that it seems that the left is strong is because the M5M does nothing but puke out their talking points and try to back it up with "IT WAS TRENDING ON TWITTER." and here is the dirty secret.

Twitter is nothing, it's only accomplishment is to give people derangement. Trump didn't win because of twitter, most people don't even USE twitter. Trump won the primary because the GOP Voter base was tired of the Neocons and the ((((RELIGIOUS))))) Right accomplishing fucking nothing for them since Regan left office. He won the General because Hillary Clinton couldn't win an election against a shoe.

Edit : My point got lost in that, part of the reason he didn't accomplish anything..is because the GOP Establishment sat there and did jack shit to help him accomplish anything..until the Kavanaugh shit. That was a turning point where the GOP Establishment learned that the Democrats are done playing the game of "Controlled Opposition" that went since the 90s.
 
I don't think Extreme Leftism is stronger than ever before.

Look at Bernie, while Joesph Robbinette Biden isn't exactly a centrist he is definitely not as Left Wing as Bernie was..and Bernie got completely blown out in the Primary. The only reason that it seems that the left is strong is because the M5M does nothing but puke out their talking points and try to back it up with "IT WAS TRENDING ON TWITTER." and here is the dirty secret.

Twitter is nothing, it's only accomplishment is to give people derangement. Trump didn't win because of twitter, most people don't even USE twitter. Trump won the primary because the GOP Voter base was tired of the Neocons and the ((((RELIGIOUS))))) Right accomplishing fucking nothing for them since Regan left office. He won the General because Hillary Clinton couldn't win an election against a shoe.

Edit : My point got lost in that, part of the reason he didn't accomplish anything..is because the GOP Establishment sat there and did jack shit to help him accomplish anything..until the Kavanaugh shit. That was a turning point where the GOP Establishment learned that the Democrats are done playing the game of "Controlled Opposition" that went since the 90s.
It's also worth noting that every single 'Justice' democrat lost by huge margins in 2020, most hilariously with Cenk
 
As a fellow liberal and former Democrat, I'm voting for Trump for two reasons.

One, Joe Biden is clearly suffering from extreme senile dementia and I would not trust him with a butter knife, let alone the nuclear codes.

Two, while Trump hasn't done as much as he could to fight the SJW left, keep in mind that part of why the Democrats are still promoting the SJW party line is because they are convinced that 2016 was a total fluke and that Trump is just a temporary aberration.

Trump getting reelected in 2020 would be a harsh reality check for the Democrats and it could cause another realignment or reassessment of the party's platform. It has happened before with the Reagan and Clinton years.

Carter's loss to Reagan in 1980 was written off by the DNC as acceptable because of the Iranian Revolution and the subsequent hostage crisis and the economy being in the shitter during most of the 70's.

But then came the massive Democratic losses in 1984 and 1988, the former of which was the biggest presidential landslide in American history. It became clear that Reagan's wins were not a fluke at that point, and Bush Sr. was really just a third term of Reagan by proxy.

So in 1992, the Democrats reformulated their platform and their strategy with Bill Clinton and it paid off for them.

Hell, the Republicans have been undergoing a similar realignment with the rise of Trump, since the GOP has only very recently started to wake up to the fact that nobody likes the neocons and the Religious Right is a dying husk at best.
Pretty much this.

The US has to go through a period of realignment from the globalist Washington consensus that had previously dominated politics, and it's still an incomplete process at this point in 2020:

- The Democrats need to spend more time in the wild to understand that their current platform & embrace of IDPol tactics (like with Kavanaugh) is a losing strategy.
- The Clinton-Obama-Bush-Romney wings need to be thoroughly scrubbed out of politics.
- The Judiciary Circuits need to be rebalanced to reduce the amount of legislation from the bench (aka the Federal-Judge-tosses-out-Trump-policy-due-to-some-vague-reasoning situations).
- The Supreme Court must be secured.
- The bureaucracy & alphabet agencies need to be deep-cleaned. It's not a process that will be completed (or even started) by Trump, but a second term puts them on notice.
- Voter ID has to be looked at- or at the very minimum, elements like ballot harvesting and social media moderation must be dealt with.
- Illegal immigration must be dealt with- even a reduction of the numbers on the borders & reform of the process would be a massive improvement.
- Yellow journalism needs to lose some more credibility.
- And most importantly, China needs to be dealt with, as the last year has shown. This is crucial- their government de facto treats the US as an enemy target, and decoupling must be continued over the next term.

I have little faith that a Biden (really a DNC/corporate-appointed) Democratic government would be willing to deal with these issues, as they benefit from the current arrangement (as Hunter Biden's positions with China show).

Like what you've said, they'd treat it like waking from a bad dream- to return to a previous status quo that's actively detrimental to the United States.
 
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