Comicsgate Hangers-On and Drama Whores - A thread about some guy who's mad about Star Wars and the neckbeards obsessively stalking him

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

I may have misread your original post. Sorry if I missed what you were trying to say.

That said - yes, it is CG's job to find everyone who is tired of woke politics in entertainment. That's how to grow the brand and expand the market.

Some of them will want to buy comics, some of them will want to support videos, some will buy t-shirts and go to conventions, some of them will just want to bitch online, but the goal should be to fully expose every one of them to the brand and its partners. Even if someone doesn't want to buy a comic book, they should be able to recall the name Comicsgate and know what it stands for.

The things you mentioned - the lawsuit, the attacks on people's careers, the anti-comicsgaters, etc - in my opinion, they have no impact on the business model. They are realities of the environment in which CG operates, but they are external to the process of delivering value to customers. These things can be used to generate attention as a form of marketing, they can be used as the subject of books, they can be used in other ways. CG creators are not going to sell another way in response, they are not going to find new strategic partners in response, they are not going to find different customer segments in response.

Comicsgate does not depend on more events like this happening in order to grow. At this point, enough people have been exposed to woke bullshit in their daily lives to know they want an alternative. Comicsgate just needs to find more effective ways to make themselves that alternative, which is what this phase of brand growth is all about.

That blathering idiot jspit was going on about how comicsgate is dead or something. Remember moronic perverts like that one don't recognize how growth happens, and the actual number of backers on a crowdsourcing campaign is less important than the awareness that comes with being recognized as the canonical opposition to a trend that's sorely disliked. The total views on Fandom Menace videos is probably the most significant metric for CG growth, that's actual impressions to an audience with a deeply passionate affinity.

AFAIK those metrics climb every day, sometimes by the thousands. CG will eventually figure out how to capture them, with a website, with a newsletter, with a something else that gets people up to speed with the greater brand at a low cost of entry. There still a lot of business fundamentals to work out, and that's what this stage of development is all about.

Maybe it's just the way I'm looking at the term "Business model".

Years ago, I was involved in a startup media company that was, from the outset, going to crash head first into a few groups that ranged from violent (with the criminal records to prove it) to litigious and known for using lawfare against governmental agencies, media that reported on it's activities negatively and individuals who caused them PR hassles. Our business model had to account for the financials of dealing with that because we had to keep a lawyer on retainer and budget for potential legal costs. That lawyer wasn't just a precaution. We used his expertise regularly and as a result, were threatened often, but never once sued. Expensive, but worth every penny.

Traditionally a voice actor or a comic book creator wasn't going into the biz with cancel culture out there like a sword of Damocles. But today, with the various #metoo/snowflake/perpetually offended gender studies grads, we have already seen several instances of legal action over direct interference with business. Ergo, IMO/FWIW, it's pretty much a requirement that a business make that contingency/potential etc. a part of their overall plan.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Maybe it's just the way I'm looking at the term "Business model".

Years ago, I was involved in a startup media company that was, from the outset, going to crash head first into a few groups that ranged from violent (with the criminal records to prove it) to litigious and known for using lawfare against governmental agencies, media that reported on it's activities negatively and individuals who caused them PR hassles. Our business model had to account for the financials of dealing with that because we had to keep a lawyer on retainer and budget for potential legal costs. That lawyer wasn't just a precaution. We used his expertise regularly and as a result, were threatened often, but never once sued. Expensive, but worth every penny.

Traditionally a voice actor or a comic book creator wasn't going into the biz with cancel culture out there like a sword of Damocles. But today, with the various #metoo/snowflake/perpetually offended gender studies grads, we have already seen several instances of legal action over direct interference with business. Ergo, IMO/FWIW, it's pretty much a requirement that a business make that contingency/potential etc. a part of their overall plan.

Well, when I look at a business model, I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to create, capture and deliver value to a group of customers.

There's some characteristics to a business model, starting with value propositions and customer segments. If someone has something people want, there's a business model there. In the case of Comicsgate, I'd say the main value proposition is an niche content that rejects the social justice narratives common in North American media, and the main customer segment is traditional comic book fans. While there's more to it, that's a good place to start.

From there, we have channels, which refers to how people want to be sold to. Indiegogo is a sales channel, that's how the crowdsourcing happens. Then there's USPS, that's how comics are distributed. Then there are the YouTube channels, including the ones hosted by CG creators and the others where they make appearances. That's a very broad and diverse set of outlets that reach audiences that may not be traditional comics fans but could be customers because they share the same value propositions.

From there, we have customer relationships, this is where the marketing happens. Through each of the channels, there's a continuous stream of marketing coming from creators, mostly centered around new CG releases and cultural commentary. There's a lot of room for growth in this area, it's not hard to see how customers would like their books fulfilled more efficiently and perhaps published more often. More importantly, it would be good to capture those relationships and come up with ways to stay engaged even when there's not a lot happening. One example companies commonly use is newsletters, just send around the main talking points from good videos of the week to generate better relationships.

Then there's revenue streams. We know creators are making money off books and YouTube. Some creators are generating additional revenue through second chance campaigns, the sale of collateral, and other avenues. Growth of revenue streams probably depends on growth in the ways customer relationships are maintained, good marketing tells you what people want and you find ways to deliver it. If CG creators focused more on this area collaboratively, they would find there's ways to grow the customer base for everyone without much capital outlay. The growth of revenue streams and the creation of new ones is something we will be watching for over the next few years.

After that, you have resources, partnerships, activities and cost structure. The last one is the main one holding back CG right now, they could reach a larger audience if the cost to enter was a little lower. I see a lot of experiments going on related to cost that range from the Alterna model to what Zach is doing with his campaigns, at some point someone is going to stand back and figure out what the actual cost to acquire a new customer is and how to turn them into a recurring customer ready to explore other CG brands.

That's what I normally define as a business model. I've been watching it come together over the last couple years and it's interesting to see the ways things play out. A lot of people credit EVS / YBZ for promoting CG as a brand and there's a lot of reasons to question that. To me, it looks like they tapped into a overall industry trend towards self-publishing of niche works and used the drama as a means to bypass traditional determinants of what's market worthy. It's comparable to what Amazon, lulu.com and (to some extent) Image did to eliminate barriers to entry and give authors a space to craft, print, and distribute their work. You could have had something very much like Comicsgate wasn't so focused on the culture war and it would have gotten about as far.

Where I think we differ is that I'm a little more skeptical about the role of drama in all this. Sure, calling Heather Antos a cum dumpster helped turn this into a cause, but it also created some of its own barriers. One of the common complaints about CG is the taboo experienced by other industry professionals, it puts a cap on the amount and kinds of talent that will consider entering the ecosystem. It's one of the key challenges CG will need to address as the brand continues to grow, no one wants to see the brand diminish because of perceived ceilings on scalability and growth. At the end of the day, I believe CG can grow without all the drama, it's not a necessary component of the business model, just part of the environment in which CG operates.

 

[jspit]

Stoker and the new guys cannot POSSIBLY be directly compared to...

Lots of words, editing so people don't see them twice. I was attempting to take a statement I have heard aped and actually look at the reality. The reality is, you didn't name names, Tennaple, Mitch Breitweiser, and Miller had huge six figure campaigns. The people who have stepped in have still raised a good amount of money but not as much. I never suggested comicsgate has died or shrunk. If anything I'd argue they indicate stagnation in total audience. Which isn't bad for Richard or anyone else.

So you define growth as income? Not a bad metric, though it is the one most advantageous to comicsgate.

Words words and Ad hominem attacks from a triggered baby

Poor little cow. Learn to read.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

Lots of words, editing so people don't see them twice. I was attempting to take a statement I have heard aped and actually look at the reality. The reality is, you didn't name names, Tennaple, Mitch Breitweiser, and Miller had huge six figure campaigns. The people who have stepped in have still raised a good amount of money. I never suggested comicsgate has died or shrunk. If anything I'd argue they indicate stagnation in total audience.

So you define growth as income? Not a bad metric, though it is the one most advantageous to comicsgate.



Poor little cow. Learn to read.

You edited all the different ways I defined growth out. Why did you do that? Because you can't twist my points to make EVS look bad or push the dying/stagnant comicsgate BS?

People do need to see them twice, three times, 20 times if thats what it takes for them to understand the difference between real world economics and the shit you're shoveling.

Well, when I look at a business model, I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to create, capture and deliver value to a group of customers.

There's some characteristics to a business model, starting with value propositions and customer segments. If someone has something people want, there's a business model there. In the case of Comicsgate, I'd say the main value proposition is an niche content that rejects the social justice narratives common in North American media, and the main customer segment is traditional comic book fans. While there's more to it, that's a good place to start.

From there, we have channels, which refers to how people want to be sold to. Indiegogo is a sales channel, that's how the crowdsourcing happens. Then there's USPS, that's how comics are distributed. Then there are the YouTube channels, including the ones hosted by CG creators and the others where they make appearances. That's a very broad and diverse set of outlets that reach audiences that may not be traditional comics fans but could be customers because they share the same value propositions.

From there, we have customer relationships, this is where the marketing happens. Through each of the channels, there's a continuous stream of marketing coming from creators, mostly centered around new CG releases and cultural commentary. There's a lot of room for growth in this area, it's not hard to see how customers would like their books fulfilled more efficiently and perhaps published more often. More importantly, it would be good to capture those relationships and come up with ways to stay engaged even when there's not a lot happening. One example companies commonly use is newsletters, just send around the main talking points from good videos of the week to generate better relationships.

Then there's revenue streams. We know creators are making money off books and YouTube. Some creators are generating additional revenue through second chance campaigns, the sale of collateral, and other avenues. Growth of revenue streams probably depends on growth in the ways customer relationships are maintained, good marketing tells you what people want and you find ways to deliver it. If CG creators focused more on this area collaboratively, they would find there's ways to grow the customer base for everyone without much capital outlay. The growth of revenue streams and the creation of new ones is something we will be watching for over the next few years.

After that, you have resources, partnerships, activities and cost structure. The last one is the main one holding back CG right now, they could reach a larger audience if the cost to enter was a little lower. I see a lot of experiments going on related to cost that range from the Alterna model to what Zach is doing with his campaigns, at some point someone is going to stand back and figure out what the actual cost to acquire a new customer is and how to turn them into a recurring customer ready to explore other CG brands.

That's what I normally define as a business model. I've been watching it come together over the last couple years and it's interesting to see the ways things play out. A lot of people credit EVS / YBZ for promoting CG as a brand and there's a lot of reasons to question that. To me, it looks like they tapped into a overall industry trend towards self-publishing of niche works and used the drama as a means to bypass traditional determinants of what's market worthy. It's comparable to what Amazon, lulu.com and (to some extent) Image did to eliminate barriers to entry and give authors a space to craft, print, and distribute their work. You could have had something very much like Comicsgate wasn't so focused on the culture war and it would have gotten about as far.

Where I think we differ is that I'm a little more skeptical about the role of drama in all this. Sure, calling Heather Antos a cum dumpster helped turn this into a cause, but it also created some of its own barriers. One of the common complaints about CG is the taboo experienced by other industry professionals, it puts a cap on the amount and kinds of talent that will consider entering the ecosystem. It's one of the key challenges CG will need to address as the brand continues to grow, no one wants to see the brand diminish because of perceived ceilings on scalability and growth. At the end of the day, I believe CG can grow without all the drama, it's not a necessary component of the business model, just part of the environment in which CG operates.

Agree overall.

I also agree CG can and should grow without the drama. That would result in the most solidifed base to build from and present the least roadblocks.
The cumdumpster thing certainly was an obstacle, however, I think it was a needed evil. This is a bitch that literally went after Zak's employment/job in IT before that simply because he said, truthfully, she was a fake geek girl. And campaigned long and hard to wreck him in the industry besides. So IMO he earned taking that shot on her. And she deserved a lot worse comments/exposure of her mechanations.

Consider also that all happened before any serious 'Comicsgate' push for turning it into the mainstream alternative businesses it is now.

As for the drama in general/overall, I don't think it's ever going to go away entirely. Between the SJWs getting more upset at each loss they are handed and the Antis being intent on spinning their tales of woe, the Comicsgate people are all going to have to deal with which ever sperg pops up attacking their books/company. They can't be allowed to just do their thing without blowback. Thats how SJWs came to power to begin with.

So then it comes down to how those battles get fought. And thats gonna have to be on a per case basis IMO. And then there will be drama over the level people go to in their own defense. So I think we're stuck with some degree of it for the forseeable future.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

Agree overall.

I also agree CG can and should grow without the drama. That would result in the most solidifed base to build from and present the least roadblocks.
The cumdumpster thing certainly was an obstacle, however, I think it was a needed evil. This is a bitch that literally went after Zak's employment/job in IT before that simply because he said, truthfully, she was a fake geek girl. And campaigned long and hard to wreck him in the industry besides. So IMO he earned taking that shot on her. And she deserved a lot worse comments/exposure of her mechanations.

Consider also that all happened before any serious 'Comicsgate' push for turning it into the mainstream alternative businesses it is now.

As for the drama in general/overall, I don't think it's ever going to go away entirely. Between the SJWs getting more upset at each loss they are handed and the Antis being intent on spinning their tales of woe, the Comicsgate people are all going to have to deal with which ever sperg pops up attacking their books/company. They can't be allowed to just do their thing without blowback. Thats how SJWs came to power to begin with.

So then it comes down to how those battles get fought. And thats gonna have to be on a per case basis IMO. And then there will be drama over the level people go to in their own defense. So I think we're stuck with some degree of it for the forseeable future.

Help me understand the concern for when the drama will go away.

I'm saying it doesn't matter if there's drama or not, it's external to the business model. The brand does not depend on drama, the main function drama serves is keeping talent away from the brand.

The tactic is called FUD - Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. That's all SJWs do, it's well understood and there's a lot of research on how to overcome it.

I don't see this as a real problem, just something that gets too much attention.

 

[jspit]

You edited all the different ways I defined growth out. Why did you do that? Because you can't twist my points to make EVS look bad or push the dying/stagnant comicsgate BS?

People do need to see them twice, three times, 20 times if thats what it takes for them to understand the difference between real world economics and the shit you're shoveling.

I didn't edit, I simply didn't include the voluminous pages of words for readability. I'm not twisting anything. I even stated that by one of the metrics, income, some comicsgate creators have seen they're campaigns grow. I don't want or need to make Frog look bad, he's more than capable of that himself. Finally, chill. I've never suggested your club is dying. It is stagnant at my glance. Good news is for every person you guys drive away with stupidity, so far another one seems to be coming in.

Help me understand the concern for when the drama will go away.

I'm saying it doesn't matter if there's drama or not, it's external to the business model. The brand does not depend on drama, the main function drama serves is keeping talent away from the brand.

The tactic is called FUD - Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. That's all SJWs do, it's well understood and there's a lot of research on how to overcome it.

I don't see this as a real problem, just something that gets too much attention.

Because, there are these things called normal, well adjusted people.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

Help me understand the concern for when the drama will go away.

I'm saying it doesn't matter if there's drama or not, it's external to the business model. The brand does not depend on drama, the main function drama serves is keeping talent away from the brand.

The tactic is called FUD - Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. That's all SJWs do, it's well understood and there's a lot of research on how to overcome it.

I don't see this as a real problem, just something that gets too much attention.

I'm personally not concerned about the drama in and of itself. I'm of the belief that if it's there (and it always will be to some extent,) then hook the snowflakes up to the money machine and sell it for profit. If the comicsgate guys have to put up with the bullshit that the Antis and their more open about it SJW brethren, they should get some financial compensation for it.

I think that most of CG would be perfectly happy to just do their books/business and skip drama altogether, but they can't just let the spergs run amok. The Vic situation illustrates perfectly what happens when they are ignored. So regardless of how they handle drama, it's going to impact their business to some degree.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

I'm personally not concerned about the drama in and of itself. I'm of the belief that if it's there (and it always will be to some extent,) then hook the snowflakes up to the money machine and sell it for profit. If the comicsgate guys have to put up with the bullshit that the Antis and their more open about it SJW brethren, they should get some financial compensation for it.

I think that most of CG would be perfectly happy to just do their books/business and skip drama altogether, but they can't just let the spergs run amok. The Vic situation illustrates perfectly what happens when they are ignored. So regardless of how they handle drama, it's going to impact their business to some degree.

Yeah, we're on the same page.

The drama is useful for marketing. Other than that, it doesn't really affect the business model.

Here's an interesting mental exercise in scaling the business end of CG. What is the real cost of fulfillment for Cyberfrog? EVS devoted significant time to printing and fulfillment issues.

Let's say it was 2 months of productive time on a book that took 12 months to make and realized $1mil in revenue. Aside from the cost to send things through the mail, the opportunity cost for the creator is quantifiable. In this hypothetical case, it would have been about $166,666, or 1/6th of the total revenue.

Take all the SJWs on Twitter screeching about EVS. Do you think they cost him that amount of money? If so, how? They can't interfere with the orders or the delivery, maybe they got a few people not to buy the book. But that's probably it, CG bypasses the direct market to sell straight to customers. The business model doesn't give them anything to attack.

On the other hand, EVS could have devoted those 2 months to producing the next Cyberfrog. He could have hired someone to do the fulfillment tasks for a lot less than $166,666 and freed himself up for other creative efforts. We'd be seeing the next issue of Cyberfrog that much earlier, or Reignbow Brute, or whatever else he would have done with 2 months.

The lack of efficiency costs the CG brand much more than the SJWs, at least in terms of revenue. All these production / fulfillment tasks, they're just not the highest and best use of the creator's time. The business model could be optimized to maximize creative output and there's not a thing SJWs could do about it.

In a way, every CG creator has the same set of problems, they need to learn to self-promote, they need to find talent, they need to learn the production process, they need to learn the printing process, they need to learn the fulfillment process. There's no shared knowledge or economies of scale coming into the picture, creators should be working out deals with service providers as a group to get optimal pricing on services across the board. Everyone should be working with the same printer, the same fulfillment houses, even a stable of the same colorists / inkers / letterers / etc to make sure they are getting the best deal possible every time.

For that matter, CG creators are running about $5mil through Indiegogo annually and IGG keeps about 8% of those fees, which works out to about $400k in revenue. For that amount of money, they could be running their own funding platform and processing payments for around a 3% processing fee. That would keep another $260k on the creators side of the table, minus the cost of servers and admin.

So that's why I say the drama doesn't matter. Properly managed, CG could become a huge business. Right now, creators spend a lot of time on activities that could be described as self-gratifying and that holds them back. From the outside, it looks like just under a million is left on the table annually and there's probably about $3 - 4 mil in unrealized revenue at the seams. I'm looking forward to seeing how the brand grows and matures over the next 12 months.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

Yeah, we're on the same page.

The drama is useful for marketing. Other than that, it doesn't really affect the business model.

Here's an interesting mental exercise in scaling the business end of CG. What is the real cost of fulfillment for Cyberfrog? EVS devoted significant time to printing and fulfillment issues.

Let's say it was 2 months of productive time on a book that took 12 months to make and realized $1mil in revenue. Aside from the cost to send things through the mail, the opportunity cost for the creator is quantifiable. In this hypothetical case, it would have been about $166,666, or 1/6th of the total revenue.

Take all the SJWs on Twitter screeching about EVS. Do you think they cost him that amount of money? If so, how? They can't interfere with the orders or the delivery, maybe they got a few people not to buy the book. But that's probably it, CG bypasses the direct market to sell straight to customers. The business model doesn't give them anything to attack.

On the other hand, EVS could have devoted those 2 months to producing the next Cyberfrog. He could have hired someone to do the fulfillment tasks for a lot less than $166,666 and freed himself up for other creative efforts. We'd be seeing the next issue of Cyberfrog that much earlier, or Reignbow Brute, or whatever else he would have done with 2 months.

The lack of efficiency costs the CG brand much more than the SJWs, at least in terms of revenue. All these production / fulfillment tasks, they're just not the highest and best use of the creator's time. The business model could be optimized to maximize creative output and there's not a thing SJWs could do about it.

In a way, every CG creator has the same set of problems, they need to learn to self-promote, they need to find talent, they need to learn the production process, they need to learn the printing process, they need to learn the fulfillment process. There's no shared knowledge or economies of scale coming into the picture, creators should be working out deals with service providers as a group to get optimal pricing on services across the board. Everyone should be working with the same printer, the same fulfillment houses, even a stable of the same colorists / inkers / letterers / etc to make sure they are getting the best deal possible every time.

For that matter, CG creators are running about $5mil through Indiegogo annually and IGG keeps about 8% of those fees, which works out to about $400k in revenue. For that amount of money, they could be running their own funding platform and processing payments for around a 3% processing fee. That would keep another $260k on the creators side of the table, minus the cost of servers and admin.

So that's why I say the drama doesn't matter. Properly managed, CG could become a huge business. Right now, creators spend a lot of time on activities that could be described as self-gratifying and that holds them back. From the outside, it looks like just under a million is left on the table annually and there's probably about $3 - 4 mil in unrealized revenue at the seams. I'm looking forward to seeing how the brand grows and matures over the next 12 months.

"What is the real cost of fulfillment for Cyberfrog? EVS devoted significant time to printing and fulfillment issues."

I'm guessing it's solely a delivery thing. And this applies to all of CG's people. Zak and EVS, probably Malin as well, have pretty much sussed out the backend of printing (I think) and CG now has several editorial/pre-press places to choose from. Printing the standard stuff is pretty simple, but the chromium/hologram stuff is probably pretty limited to a couple print houses.

But mailing/delivery is the major cost. The Gemini mailers are like a buck each and the flat rate is gonna burn most of the rest of the 10 bucks. And thats just for the normal books. If you get into 'bigger than Gemini size boxed stuff, it goes nuclear. Because they don't have a "Diamond" or a Walmart type distributor at this point, they are stuck passing on the cost or taking a hit. Unless they figure out their own system (unlikely) or get on the retail train, I don't see delivery costs dropping. I don't know how they could. As I'm listening, Malin is talking about this on EVS show.

I think at 25 a pop, they are probably getting 10-13ish profit per but thats just a wild ass guess and determined by print run. know that the base print run is where most costs lie due to setup etc, but printing 1000 instead of 100 isn't much difference at all... until you go to 2nd printings and then you re-incur the full monty.

"In a way, every CG creator has the same set of problems, they need to......"

I think they are already sharing a big chunk of info between them. Thats absolutely a must for the whole thing to work/advance. At least the big stuff.

The thing is that while your numbers are probably pretty close, there's still the reality that they aren't all one company to make those numbers work. This is where Image screwed itself and broke up the original band with infighting over cuts etc. If CG advances to the next level as a group/whatever you call it, that's gonna be the next big issue to solve.


"Right now, creators spend a lot of time on activities that could be described as self-gratifying and that holds them back."

I wouldn't disagree. I think a lot of any change in direction there is going to come from either the SJWs/Antis finding a new hobby or CG finding blowout success to the degree Image did to Marvel. Basically, I'd define that as about 10 or so creators hitting at least 100K in sales per issue like clockwork and another several going over 50K pretty regularly. Not necessarily the same guys at the 50K level but a solid second tier overall.

If you think about it, most of these books are fully funded (no frills basic comic) at well under 20K. A year ago the question was "Can an indigogo book hit 20K funding. Today most of them hit goals in the first hour and a 20K book is an almost easy and only 'tier 3'.

Getting their books on time is important, but I cut some slack as it's still very much in the building stage. But in another year, they gotta be on schedule with a shorter delivery time.

At that point, the SJWs/antis will likely so pissed at their failure they will be all but gone and CG can just do business. Now what the mainstream does regarding CG is gonna hinge in large part (short term) on Zak's Waid lawsuit. IMO of course) If Zak wins, then the blacklisting is probably gonna end because they aren't gonna take stupid chances. Marvel was back to working with Image defectors quick enough. It's only fear of SJW mobs stopping any crossover now. And when Pros get more comfortable crowdfunding, thats another barrier to fall.

EVS says he has several ready to jump, but they won't pull the trigger yet because of SJW BS. They still have to play lip service (cowardly IMO but thats life in current year I guess.)

Overall, a lot of stars are aligning. Still some time to go most likely but hell, it's moving fairly quick as is.

I don't see a massive uptick in comics per creator because they are really event books and one guy is wearing all the hats or most. But I can see some hiring from Tier 1 guys and putting out some side stuff regularly before long. I know Zak and EVS are in the process to some degree from what they have said about it. EVS will probably put out the fewest and concentrate on the Cyberfrog/Art book quality himself. Zak will be the most likely IMO to become a full blown publisher and as a writer, he's gonna farm out the art etc anyway.

The Brietweiser "Alliance" deal is going to be a big part of determining where this all goes I think. If they go full CG or just stay on the fringe is the question.

 

[instythot]

I didn't edit, I simply didn't include the voluminous pages of words for readability. I'm not twisting anything. I even stated that by one of the metrics, income, some comicsgate creators have seen they're campaigns grow. I don't want or need to make Frog look bad, he's more than capable of that himself. Finally, chill. I've never suggested your club is dying. It is stagnant at my glance. Good news is for every person you guys drive away with stupidity, so far another one seems to be coming in.



Because, there are these things called normal, well adjusted people.

It's very telling how a couple of posters who have completely bought into the party line of a -gate about funnybooks about men in tights for children see the constant public tantrums by the pillars of their creator community as "good marketing"

It's performative marketing for the existing fanbase and for the people upset at it. As long as Ethan continues to be publicly mad at SJWs and these retards don't find a new thing SJWs are interested in to be mad at, Ethan can safely sell comics to these retards and even a couple to the people actively mad at him so they can mock his work.

As far as the entire rest of the world goes: the tantrums, screaming and harassment are limiting marketing. No new customers want anything to do with this shit, new creators are going to think long and hard about being associated with public venom and harassment on either side of this and anyone who might be in a position to take a comicsgate ip out of this will look at the screaming chaos and say "too controversial, I'll just license a c tier dc character, thanks!"

It's also telling that one of these retards has an almost pathological need to convince people on a site dedicated to laughing at people worth mocking that comicsgate is above reproach

 

[Rupin]

It's very telling how a couple of posters who have completely bought into the party line of a -gate about funnybooks about men in tights for children see the constant public tantrums by the pillars of their creator community as "good marketing"

It's performative marketing for the existing fanbase and for the people upset at it. As long as Ethan continues to be publicly mad at SJWs and these exceptional individuals don't find a new thing SJWs are interested in to be mad at, Ethan can safely sell comics to these exceptional individuals and even a couple to the people actively mad at him so they can mock his work.

As far as the entire rest of the world goes: the tantrums, screaming and harassment are limiting marketing. No new customers want anything to do with this shit, new creators are going to think long and hard about being associated with public venom and harassment on either side of this and anyone who might be in a position to take a comicsgate ip out of this will look at the screaming chaos and say "too controversial, I'll just license a c tier dc character, thanks!"

It's also telling that one of these exceptional individuals has an almost pathological need to convince people on a site dedicated to laughing at people worth mocking that comicsgate is above reproach

https://youtu.be/QLv8PiFGDQw

this is the third vid this dude has made on EVS today and it is still morning time and you are saying we at CG are the exceptional ones?

 

[instythot]

https://youtu.be/QLv8PiFGDQw

this is the third vid this dude has made on EVS today and it is still morning time and you are saying we at CG are the exceptional ones?

Yes, cg is among the exceptional ones in this situation.

Consider this: would the other side of comicsgate be treated with any more respect for attempting to convert forum users to their cause?

 

[KingofNothing]

https://youtu.be/QLv8PiFGDQw

this is the third vid this dude has made on EVS today and it is still morning time and you are saying we at CG are the exceptional ones?

There's enough exceptionalism going around for everyone to share

 

[Rupin]

Yes, cg is among the exceptional ones in this situation.

Consider this: would the other side of comicsgate be treated with any more respect for attempting to convert forum users to their cause?

except that’s exactly what you’re doing by constantly bashing CG. As you can see, we have been at peace with each other for a few days now. If you don’t like CG that’s fine. I won’t fault you for it as it’s not for everyone. To me it’s just comic books and I buy the ones that capture my interest whether they are CG backed or not.

 

[instythot]

except that’s exactly what you’re doing by constantly bashing CG. As you can see, we have been at peace with each other for a few days now. If you don’t like CG that’s fine. To me it’s just comic books and I buy the ones that capture my interest whether they are CG backed or not.

That's an unusually mature attitude regarding the situation. May you serve as a shining example for EVS' ball washers

 

[Rupin]

That's an unusually mature attitude regarding the situation. May you serve as a shining example for EVS' ball washers

and may you serve as an equally shining example of Anti CG‘s lunatic Dirtworm Doug SJW squad. We saw how you guys reacted to The Quartering when he said in a tweet that he regretted backing Doug Tenaple‘s EWJ book.

 

[instythot]

and may you serve as an equally shining example of Anti CG‘s lunatic Dirtworm Doug SJW squad. We saw how you guys reacted to The Quartering when he said in a tweet that he regretted backing Doug Tenaple‘s EWJ book.

No, I didn't react like that. Crying Jeremy is a fully grown cow worthy only of the finest mockery for many hilarious reasons not at all related to comic books

 

[Rupin]

No, I didn't react like that. Crying Jeremy is a fully grown cow worthy only of the finest mockery for many hilarious reasons not at all related to comic books

that I can agree with. Jeremy is an admitted aspie who does shit for outrage clicks.

 

[instythot]

that I can agree with. Jeremy is an admitted aspie who does shit for outrage clicks.

Jeremy also made a video of himself "drinking sargon's cum" as a way to own the libs, so there's way more than outrage clicks to laugh at in that cow

FYI: lots of us think both of the sides in the culture war are hilarious, especially the more entrenched they get. The anti-sjw spaghetti is a lot fresher, however. The sjw stuff has needed to reach such a high bar to not just be "more of the same" for years now - see Johnny Yaniv

 

[Adamska]

It's very telling how a couple of posters who have completely bought into the party line of a -gate about funnybooks about men in tights for children see the constant public tantrums by the pillars of their creator community as "good marketing"

It's performative marketing for the existing fanbase and for the people upset at it. As long as Ethan continues to be publicly mad at SJWs and these exceptional individuals don't find a new thing SJWs are interested in to be mad at, Ethan can safely sell comics to these exceptional individuals and even a couple to the people actively mad at him so they can mock his work.

As far as the entire rest of the world goes: the tantrums, screaming and harassment are limiting marketing. No new customers want anything to do with this shit, new creators are going to think long and hard about being associated with public venom and harassment on either side of this and anyone who might be in a position to take a comicsgate ip out of this will look at the screaming chaos and say "too controversial, I'll just license a c tier dc character, thanks!"

It's also telling that one of these exceptional individuals has an almost pathological need to convince people on a site dedicated to laughing at people worth mocking that comicsgate is above reproach

It's also telling how they constantly need to reaffirm themselves in a spiral of talking to each other about how great the movement is. They do this even when no one but themselves post in this thread. I've seen that behavior before by the way; in people who are insecure and unsure trying to psych themselves up out of that uncertainty.

So I'm somewhat sure that these guys are fully aware that the slapfights are destroying their brands, but sunk cost fallacy and tribalism makes them refuse to acknowledge it. Said tribalism then has them completely shove people out of a movement that desperately needs growth, because having the same crowd of whales just blow their money isn't growth.

It's artificial and a bad sign.

https://youtu.be/QLv8PiFGDQw

this is the third vid this dude has made on EVS today and it is still morning time and you are saying we at CG are the exceptional ones?

You seem to be unable to understand, likely because of a false dichotomy, that just because this convenient target that no one ever heard of is a stupid mong, that this does not absolve your group at all.

In fact, you had to GOOGLE this guy and throw him under the bus to hide this, because this fucker struggled to get 100+ views. That... is mentally strange.

except that’s exactly what you’re doing by constantly bashing CG. As you can see, we have been at peace with each other for a few days now. If you don’t like CG that’s fine. I won’t fault you for it as it’s not for everyone. To me it’s just comic books and I buy the ones that capture my interest whether they are CG backed or not.

You were at peace because no one felt like disagreeing or arguing in here for a couple of days and only you guys, the ones playing corpsec for free, were in here.