Comicsgate Hangers-On and Drama Whores - A thread about some guy who's mad about Star Wars and the neckbeards obsessively stalking him

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jspit powiedział(a):
Says the person endlessly complaining, speaking of, how many original keys are left on that key board?

Oh, Basset. Is Billy Tucci Comicsgate? He appears on CG live, doesn't he? When is he flying that hashtag?
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jspit powiedział(a):
Again, I don't think you understand what that word means. To be anti anything requires a level of passion or effort comiksgate doesn't really deserve. Mostly your talking to the Swiss looking on as you slap one another.



Frog, your just going to keep that campaign going and count life times sells aren't you?

Your bar shouldn't be someone else. It should be yourself. How's your next project going to do?
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you don’t think anti comics gate exist? So Edwin Boyette, Preston Poulter and Comic Book Hut aren‘t actively trying to de platform Cecil and EVS? Did Comic Book Hut and Preston Poulter not try to get Jeff Hicks sued by Disney and Harrison Ford, only for them to turn around and say that it was just parody? You need to open your eyes dude. Or better yet, just stay out of the conversation. Every time you post it’s just to insult people and you never bring any facts to refute anybody’s point.

Billy Tucci is CG friendly. He has appeared on EVS’s show several times, and he is doing a cover for Zack, so in the SJW side of comics he might as well be.
 
Ivan Shatov powiedział(a):
The relationship between EVS and YBZ reminds me a lot of Johnny Carson and Carl Sagan.

Both of them were entertainers, they had very different audiences. When you brought them together, it was some of the most entertaining television. They could talk about anything and it would just crack you up.

The two of them have very different approaches to the Culture War. Both are necessary for the other to exist. For Sagan, he went on Carson to promote Cosmos, but also this way of thinking about the importance of skepticism and scientific inquiry. Carson was reading notes out of envelopes. They both gave the other a certain kind of legitimacy, it meant they were both in the club.


Yeah, it's not a sales pitch. I'm just sick of people bitching in ways no one cares about.

The most memorable quote from Comicsgate was calling Heather Antos a cum dumpster. Everyone was thinking it, probably more diplomatically, but Zack is the one who said it. That phrase became the source of much division and is probably the reason Marvel turned on her. Sluts have a hard time hanging onto power.

The phrase would not have matter at all except that it stuck. All I am saying is, if you are really trying to take CG down a peg, hit them with things that hurt. These big, angry, obtuse arguments no one can get to the bottom of, they don't do anything. Mike and Doug are learning that, they're going to be illustrating Highlights magazine under assumed names before long.

Ethan's a lot harder to peg than Antos. He has a lot of credibility and a big audience. If you really want to hurt him, it has to be anecdotes he can't refute directly but keep a place in people's minds. Another example:

"Remember that time Ethan's dentures fell out on stream? You could see the holes where his teeth used to be. I knew he had problems with drugs in Florida, never knew it was that bad. When his wife left him it was because the kids were getting into his stash, would hate to see what his son looks like now. And to think he moved to Jersey for rehab - that place has more dealers than cars."

CG has evolved, like any business, it's a brand that depends on a level of authenticity to grow and thrive. Damaging it requires more than abstract claims and outrage, the wedge has to be something people find disgusting. And it has to be laid out in a form he can't directly address on stream, no one wants to devote hours to talking about how they never beat their wife. Saying enough shit and something will eventually stick.

You could just be doing so much more is all I'm saying. I don't have a problem with EVS myself, I'm just sick of endless complaints that never go anywhere. Make the shit sting.
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Nahh, being condescending and doing it in lefty style meme writing like this (tl;dr) as well as screeching for purity in this thread because differing opinions are too painful for you is an amazing anti-ad against your stagnant and gay movement.

You dumb motherfuckers assume that people haven't seen shit like this before, and that all people should be with you or against you. Let's just say you right now are where Gamergate was in its terminal stage; echo chambers filled with spergs who pushed away the more sane people who tend to not agree completely as the "leaders" continued to gay slapfight with each other on social media. I've seen this song play before, and the denouement is here.
 
TrunksFromDragonballGT powiedział(a):
you don’t think anti comics gate exist? So Edwin Boyette, Preston Poulter and Comic Book Hut aren‘t actively trying to de platform Cecil and EVS? Did Comic Book Hut and Preston Poulter not try to get Jeff Hicks sued by Disney and Harrison Ford, only for them to turn around and say that it was just parody? You need to open your eyes dude. Or better yet, just stay out of the conversation. Every time you post it’s just to insult people and you never bring any facts to refute anybody’s point.

Billy Tucci is CG friendly. He has appeared on EVS’s show several times, and he is doing a cover for Zack, so in the SJW side of comics he might as well be.
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I never said that. Those guys apparently hate comicsgate. But stop thinking everybody who isn't a member of your club cares enough to be against it.

Ivan Shatov powiedział(a):
Fuck you jspit
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Healthy
 
Adamska powiedział(a):
Nahh, being condescending and doing it in lefty style meme writing like this (tl;dr) as well as screeching for purity in this thread because differing opinions are too painful for you is an amazing anti-ad against your stagnant and gay movement.

You dumb motherfuckers assume that people haven't seen shit like this before, and that all people should be with you or against you. Let's just say you right now are where Gamergate was in its terminal stage; echo chambers filled with spergs who pushed away the more sane people who tend to not agree completely as the "leaders" continued to gay slapfight with each other on social media. I've seen this song play before, and the denouement is here.
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Way off.

You think people want to argue about ideology. That may have mattered up to about a year ago, but now the market has changed. Disruptors need to address a different set of concerns.

CG is a brand, it's following a product adoption arc. Early innovators were taking risks and proving the viability of the brand, now they are in an Early Adopter stage. The market challenge consists of finding people who are selective about what they read and want to be in on the next big thing. These people are influencers, they serve to define a brand and reduce uncertainty about it before other people engage with it. The arc looks something like this.

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CG is taking predictable and concrete steps to build their market. Adding the Expendables title is important, so are things like organizing conventions, expanding the range of titles, developing collateral products for enthusiasts to purchase, addressing defects in the fulfillment process, promoting the success of individual authors, and building a community of knowledge about the production process. CG creators are currently exploring new channels that include the direct market, omnibus editions, animated shorts, and increased interaction through social media. This should yield better control over perceptions of the brand and the ability to project new initiatives organically through networks that are just being established.

What should happen over the next 12 months is an overall increase in the number of titles available, higher dollar amounts associated with individual crowdfunding campaigns, an increase in the number of campaigns overall and a reduction in price at least for access to the higher tiers.

The pricing is going to be the most important part, CG has to expand the brand to engage with a larger market. The cost has to go down to capture a segment that won't pay $25 for a comic book, but it can't go too far down without destroying the incentive for creators to get on board with CG. Optimizing pricing will require establishing unified practices to take advantage of economies of scale which will include actual research into costs the market is willing to bear, which will also answer questions about how regularly readers want to see comics.

Changes to pricing schemes should lead to an Early Majority stage. We should be seeing early steps towards consolidation in the next 24 months. My guess is Alterna, Allegiance, Gato del Splato, and some other CG company yet to emerge will be the market leaders and each will encounter challenges that require capital investment to solve. Establishing their track record as companies will be important, but not as important as demonstrable growth. They will be making the case they could be serving 100x the number of subscribers with additional resources, and then the brand will grow exponentially for a number of years. We should see the 4 market leaders consolidate again during this period, eventually something akin to Image will emerge.

So ideology doesn't matter anymore. You're just spitting into the wind, it's the smallest part of what motivates Early Adopters. They are looking for things that are new and to be recognized for knowing what it's all about. They don't care so much about SJWs and hashtags, they care about the success of a title and whether or not they understand what's happening with it. They are very receptive to stories about growth of a franchise and consider those stories strong indicators of what is to come next. Entry points into the franchise - where you can buy it, how much it costs, can I get other stuff to go with it, when is the next one coming out, who are the partners for this franchise - are huge motivators for this group of customers.

So if you really want to disrupt CG or even just an individual author, tell stories that connect with current audience. It's not about throwing shit at a wall anymore, you have to pick the right kind of shit. Early Adopters are going to care about stories that challenge growth figures, reduce the prestige of individual titles, diminish the character of individual creators, and otherwise question the ability of the franchise to serve a larger market.

Ethan interviewed someone last night who made a very persuasive case on the last point that was directly targeted on Comicsgate as a brand, that guest did more to damage it than most of what has been said on the Farms. I'm pretty sure I was listening to a PR professional who works for a firm like Weber-Shandwick or Edelman, he was hitting many of the same points I'm trying to make. So it's not like other people don't recognize the disruption game has changed, I'm expecting the sophistication of attacks to increase as this venture becomes more successful.

I guess I really don't care how you attack Comicsgate except to say that I'm tired of repetitive, ad-hominem attacks that don't really communicate anything except how mad you are. I'm offering the feedback in the hope of seeing a little more constructive effort on your part. If you want to keep going on about things, that's fine, but it would be nice to see more than abstract points no one can really understand. Once CG hits the Early Majority stage, people will be actively adversarial to these kinds of stories. It might be time to consider your position.
 
Ivan Shatov powiedział(a):
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I guess I really don't care how you attack Comicsgate except to say that I'm tired of repetitive, ad-hominem attacks that don't really communicate anything except how mad you are. I'm offering the feedback in the hope of seeing a little more constructive effort on your part. If you want to keep going on about things, that's fine, but it would be nice to see more than abstract points no one can really understand. Once CG hits the Early Majority stage, people will be actively adversarial to these kinds of stories. It might be time to consider your position.
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Your not repetitive? Nice book report by the way.
 
The Wisdom of Bassets powiedział(a):
I'm personally not concerned with anyone backing me. I am however finding a shit-ton of irony about a Kiwi with his fee fees in a joint over someone being condescending.
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Jesus. Have you not noticed that, despite what we say about thread subjects, people around here are generally civil and reasonably polite with each other?
 
Ivan Shatov powiedział(a):
Way off.

You think people want to argue about ideology. That may have mattered up to about a year ago, but now the market has changed. Disruptors need to address a different set of concerns.

CG is a brand, it's following a product adoption arc. Early innovators were taking risks and proving the viability of the brand, now they are in an Early Adopter stage. The market challenge consists of finding people who are selective about what they read and want to be in on the next big thing. These people are influencers, they serve to define a brand and reduce uncertainty about it before other people engage with it. The arc looks something like this.

Wyświetl załącznik 1131425

CG is taking predictable and concrete steps to build their market. Adding the Expendables title is important, so are things like organizing conventions, expanding the range of titles, developing collateral products for enthusiasts to purchase, addressing defects in the fulfillment process, promoting the success of individual authors, and building a community of knowledge about the production process. CG creators are currently exploring new channels that include the direct market, omnibus editions, animated shorts, and increased interaction through social media. This should yield better control over perceptions of the brand and the ability to project new initiatives organically through networks that are just being established.

What should happen over the next 12 months is an overall increase in the number of titles available, higher dollar amounts associated with individual crowdfunding campaigns, an increase in the number of campaigns overall and a reduction in price at least for access to the higher tiers.

The pricing is going to be the most important part, CG has to expand the brand to engage with a larger market. The cost has to go down to capture a segment that won't pay $25 for a comic book, but it can't go too far down without destroying the incentive for creators to get on board with CG. Optimizing pricing will require establishing unified practices to take advantage of economies of scale which will include actual research into costs the market is willing to bear, which will also answer questions about how regularly readers want to see comics.

Changes to pricing schemes should lead to an Early Majority stage. We should be seeing early steps towards consolidation in the next 24 months. My guess is Alterna, Allegiance, Gato del Splato, and some other CG company yet to emerge will be the market leaders and each will encounter challenges that require capital investment to solve. Establishing their track record as companies will be important, but not as important as demonstrable growth. They will be making the case they could be serving 100x the number of subscribers with additional resources, and then the brand will grow exponentially for a number of years. We should see the 4 market leaders consolidate again during this period, eventually something akin to Image will emerge.

So ideology doesn't matter anymore. You're just spitting into the wind, it's the smallest part of what motivates Early Adopters. They are looking for things that are new and to be recognized for knowing what it's all about. They don't care so much about SJWs and hashtags, they care about the success of a title and whether or not they understand what's happening with it. They are very receptive to stories about growth of a franchise and consider those stories strong indicators of what is to come next. Entry points into the franchise - where you can buy it, how much it costs, can I get other stuff to go with it, when is the next one coming out, who are the partners for this franchise - are huge motivators for this group of customers.

So if you really want to disrupt CG or even just an individual author, tell stories that connect with current audience. It's not about throwing shit at a wall anymore, you have to pick the right kind of shit. Early Adopters are going to care about stories that challenge growth figures, reduce the prestige of individual titles, diminish the character of individual creators, and otherwise question the ability of the franchise to serve a larger market.

Ethan interviewed someone last night who made a very persuasive case on the last point that was directly targeted on Comicsgate as a brand, that guest did more to damage it than most of what has been said on the Farms. I'm pretty sure I was listening to a PR professional who works for a firm like Weber-Shandwick or Edelman, he was hitting many of the same points I'm trying to make. So it's not like other people don't recognize the disruption game has changed, I'm expecting the sophistication of attacks to increase as this venture becomes more successful.

I guess I really don't care how you attack Comicsgate except to say that I'm tired of repetitive, ad-hominem attacks that don't really communicate anything except how mad you are. I'm offering the feedback in the hope of seeing a little more constructive effort on your part. If you want to keep going on about things, that's fine, but it would be nice to see more than abstract points no one can really understand. Once CG hits the Early Majority stage, people will be actively adversarial to these kinds of stories. It might be time to consider your position.
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Where to even start...or rather end with this gibberish.

1) Since when was CG a brand (presumably of the commercial type) now? I thought it was a consumer movement? Wasn't that what TUG and others have been saying for months now? Was their some kind of internal memo approved by the Inner Party that dictated its a brand now?

2) Why is CG a brand? Who decided that or rather who gets to decide that?

3) Even if you removed all the exceptionalism and incompetence from CG right now (which won't happen), there is no way in hell it could become mainstream never mind even revitalize the comic book industry unless you think the rest of the comic book industry is going to completely disappear overnight.

4) CG hasn't innovated anything period. It's already been demonstrated that people could use gfm or the equivalent to finance the publication/circulation of some comics among loyal fans/patrons.

5) "What should happen over the next 12 months is an overall increase in the number of titles available, higher dollar amounts associated with individual crowdfunding campaigns, an increase in the number of campaigns overall and a reduction in price at least for access to the higher tiers."

How? The only way this will happen is if CG gets lucky with more offers like Zach just got and/or actually increased the number of successful campaigns it's been running which, even though I haven't been in the loop that much with the comings and goings of your brand as of late, I know you guys have little to offer in the foreseeable future besides this and Rainbow Brute. That's it. That ain't much a brand.

6) "So ideology doesn't matter anymore. You're just spitting into the wind, it's the smallest part of what motivates Early Adopters. They are looking for things that are new and to be recognized for knowing what it's all about. They don't care so much about SJWs and hashtags, they care about the success of a title and whether or not they understand what's happening with it. They are very receptive to stories about growth of a franchise and consider those stories strong indicators of what is to come next. Entry points into the franchise - where you can buy it, how much it costs, can I get other stuff to go with it, when is the next one coming out, who are the partners for this franchise - are huge motivators for this group of customers."

What franchise is CG growing/continuing besides Meyer's Jawbreakers (and Malin's Graveyard shift?)? Like really? Is there supposed to be a sequel to Cyberfrog and if so when? Who else in this "brand" or rather those that are supposedly part of the "brand" as opposed to those that left/were kicked out that's actually creating comic book franchises (i.e. sequels)?

And as for your talk of ideology not mattering get real. Allegiances certainly matter, lets not mince words about that. If you want to debate that that has nothing to do with ideology, fine. I might concede that, but every damn person here knows that the petty tribalistic allegiances going on either in your "brand" or in mainstream comics is screwing both of you.
 
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Ivan Shatov powiedział(a):
Way off.

You think people want to argue about ideology. That may have mattered up to about a year ago, but now the market has changed. Disruptors need to address a different set of concerns.

CG is a brand, it's following a product adoption arc. Early innovators were taking risks and proving the viability of the brand, now they are in an Early Adopter stage. The market challenge consists of finding people who are selective about what they read and want to be in on the next big thing. These people are influencers, they serve to define a brand and reduce uncertainty about it before other people engage with it. The arc looks something like this.

Wyświetl załącznik 1131425

CG is taking predictable and concrete steps to build their market. Adding the Expendables title is important, so are things like organizing conventions, expanding the range of titles, developing collateral products for enthusiasts to purchase, addressing defects in the fulfillment process, promoting the success of individual authors, and building a community of knowledge about the production process. CG creators are currently exploring new channels that include the direct market, omnibus editions, animated shorts, and increased interaction through social media. This should yield better control over perceptions of the brand and the ability to project new initiatives organically through networks that are just being established.

What should happen over the next 12 months is an overall increase in the number of titles available, higher dollar amounts associated with individual crowdfunding campaigns, an increase in the number of campaigns overall and a reduction in price at least for access to the higher tiers.

The pricing is going to be the most important part, CG has to expand the brand to engage with a larger market. The cost has to go down to capture a segment that won't pay $25 for a comic book, but it can't go too far down without destroying the incentive for creators to get on board with CG. Optimizing pricing will require establishing unified practices to take advantage of economies of scale which will include actual research into costs the market is willing to bear, which will also answer questions about how regularly readers want to see comics.

Changes to pricing schemes should lead to an Early Majority stage. We should be seeing early steps towards consolidation in the next 24 months. My guess is Alterna, Allegiance, Gato del Splato, and some other CG company yet to emerge will be the market leaders and each will encounter challenges that require capital investment to solve. Establishing their track record as companies will be important, but not as important as demonstrable growth. They will be making the case they could be serving 100x the number of subscribers with additional resources, and then the brand will grow exponentially for a number of years. We should see the 4 market leaders consolidate again during this period, eventually something akin to Image will emerge.

So ideology doesn't matter anymore. You're just spitting into the wind, it's the smallest part of what motivates Early Adopters. They are looking for things that are new and to be recognized for knowing what it's all about. They don't care so much about SJWs and hashtags, they care about the success of a title and whether or not they understand what's happening with it. They are very receptive to stories about growth of a franchise and consider those stories strong indicators of what is to come next. Entry points into the franchise - where you can buy it, how much it costs, can I get other stuff to go with it, when is the next one coming out, who are the partners for this franchise - are huge motivators for this group of customers.

So if you really want to disrupt CG or even just an individual author, tell stories that connect with current audience. It's not about throwing shit at a wall anymore, you have to pick the right kind of shit. Early Adopters are going to care about stories that challenge growth figures, reduce the prestige of individual titles, diminish the character of individual creators, and otherwise question the ability of the franchise to serve a larger market.

Ethan interviewed someone last night who made a very persuasive case on the last point that was directly targeted on Comicsgate as a brand, that guest did more to damage it than most of what has been said on the Farms. I'm pretty sure I was listening to a PR professional who works for a firm like Weber-Shandwick or Edelman, he was hitting many of the same points I'm trying to make. So it's not like other people don't recognize the disruption game has changed, I'm expecting the sophistication of attacks to increase as this venture becomes more successful.

I guess I really don't care how you attack Comicsgate except to say that I'm tired of repetitive, ad-hominem attacks that don't really communicate anything except how mad you are. I'm offering the feedback in the hope of seeing a little more constructive effort on your part. If you want to keep going on about things, that's fine, but it would be nice to see more than abstract points no one can really understand. Once CG hits the Early Majority stage, people will be actively adversarial to these kinds of stories. It might be time to consider your position.
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So tired of it you write multipage tard fits because you're mad that some rando online doesn't like Ethan's behavior or productivity issues. So sick of my words you can't be fucked to use brevity because you lose your shit when the slapfights between some random spergs stanning for some middle aged men who lack the emotional maturity to shut the fuck up online or close their shitty toilet thought accounts are called what they are: retarded.

Keep proving you fit the following two memes:
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instythot powiedział(a):
If you fill up on bait like that, you won't have room for pie later
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Isn't it convenient by the way that he allegedly tried to get Zack to back his stagnating movement after I randomly mentioned how I like his work still? And that he deleted it when he wouldn't state yes or no according to said story.

Now, I don't trust Mike (the apparent source), don't trust any of these middle aged fucks crying on twitter like tweens, but it's a funny story nonetheless.
 
instythot powiedział(a):
Jesus. Have you not noticed that, despite what we say about thread subjects, people around here are generally civil and reasonably polite with each other?
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I see civility and respect on most other threads here. On this one I see a lot of the same idiocy that Kic Vic does/says. I see some people completely ignoring reality and having tantrums when people present facts. Am I surprised by that? Very much so. Will I treat them accordingly? Very much so.
 
The Wisdom of Bassets powiedział(a):
I see civility and respect on most other threads here. On this one I see a lot of the same idiocy that Kic Vic does/says. I see some people completely ignoring reality and having tantrums when people present facts. Am I surprised by that? Very much so. Will I treat them accordingly? Very much so.
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You're all over the place with your arguments today, fella. It's just people laughing about adults getting mad over comic books in here
 
instythot powiedział(a):
You're all over the place with your arguments today, fella. It's just people laughing about adults getting mad over comic books in here
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i agree, no matter which of the argument one is on it’s all in good fun here. It’s not that big of a deal, or it shouldn’t be anyway. I can’t speak for the bullshit that goes on outside this forum though...
 
instythot powiedział(a):
You're all over the place with your arguments today, fella. It's just people laughing about adults getting mad over comic books in here
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Nope, I'm as consistent as can be. I don't see a lot of humor in people running the SJW playbook like seasoned pros, but I'll admit that IS funny watching them fail while denying it. Besides, "Are you not entertained?"
 
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