💰 Grifter Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[EmuWarsVeteran]

This is why I can't decide if Chupp is an idiot or a bureaucrat. Chupp writes bullshit judgements but then every once in a while he gets a glimmer in his eye and does something reasonable.

Somebody reviewed Chupp on a judge review site and said "the defendants didn't even show up." So he has a history.

This is not that hard to decode. And also not that great. In fact it changes nothing.

Chupp's MO is simple: he refuses to even adress anything before the trial or hearing, while simultaneously making his mind up on the basis of little to know evidence, then he starts up the hearing with the goal of reaching that resolution with unflinching determination, like a bloody locomotive, in spite of the lack of evidence behind his reasoning and against all possible evidence.

He just did to lemoine in this hearing the same thing he did to TY on the prior one, only differenxe is with ty he had to expressely ask for unrequired bollocks, cripple him beforehand by rejecting his folder for no reason, reject the 2ap while not letting him argue at all and finally proclaim he didn't care about the legal definition. Meanwhile with lemoine he just quoted the legal definition. You may think this a contradiction but its not, the legal definition only matters because it agrees with him, if it didn't it wouldn't matter, that is the determining factor. In a prior case he got a writ for going so far as to say fucking CHURCH LAW somehow outweighed the constitution of the US of motherfucking A. There is no limit he won't sink to so as to avoid changing his mind.

So what does this mean for the future? Well that depends on HOW he makes up his mind. And if I was a guessing man, I'd say the paths of the chupp are inescrutable. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, get some popcorn.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Of course they do. But if it turns out Vic is gonna prevail they wanna make a clean break from the lawsuit and that means playing it safe.

They're not going to openly admit their true stance on any of this because it means someone is getting thrown under the bus.

If they wanted to break and spin PR their way, they would have either retracted or clarified their Twitter storm. As for the defendants, they could have easily shot down Ron’s agent talk, since he’s probably the most expendable for them. But they haven’t done either of those things.

Even in the simplest of ways Funimation could have gotten out of this, they haven’t done so. And seeing how they’re looking at Vic paying thanks to TCPA, they’re forgoing the golden parachute to get Vic to pay up attorney’s fees.

Even when they didn’t have to take sides, they didn’t settle. They’re as KV as the Twitter mob, except they have more restraint than Jenny and Greg, and they’ll rush to ANN like how mosquito man will rush to Sharon.

 

[Steve Smyff]

I believe this to be the case and 100% hope it is the case but realize that if it's not true (if Nick & Ty have no internal Funimation informants), Nick may be using this tactic to put the bug in people's ears to poison the Funimation work environment and raise Funimation's pain of involvement, goading them to settle.

there are VA’s in the industry and in Funimation who support Vic and hate the clique

And if your analysis below is true (I hope it's not) there's no hope if the appeals court sends it back to Chupp - no hope if the TCPA must be re-done, and no hope for Vic in a trial.

This is not that hard to decode. And also not that great. In fact it changes nothing.

Chupp's MO is simple: he refuses to even adress anything before the trial or hearing, while simultaneously making his mind up on the basis of little to know evidence, then he starts up the hearing with the goal of reaching that resolution with unflinching determination, like a bloody locomotive,

The only real hope is that he's such a combination of flighty/flakey plus dense that when he changes his mind it has no effect on him personally.

 

[HighwayStar]

I believe this to be the case and 100% hope it is the case but realize that if it's not true (if Nick & Ty have no internal Funimation informants), Nick may be using this tactic to put the bug in people's ears to poison the Funimation work environment and raise Funimation's pain of involvement, goading them to settle.



And if your analysis below is true (I hope it's not) there's no hope if the appeals court sends it back to Chupp - no hope if the TCPA must be re-done, and no hope for Vic in a trial.

I get what you’re saying, but I highly doubt that Nick would say this merely to scare them. After all, he did have someone secretly send him those Funimation audio clips.

 

[Scuttle]

I believe this to be the case and 100% hope it is the case but realize that if it's not true (if Nick & Ty have no internal Funimation informants), Nick may be using this tactic to put the bug in people's ears to poison the Funimation work environment and raise Funimation's pain of involvement, goading them to settle.

It's optimistic to think Nick is trying to implicate himself so directly as to bluff on camera in an attempt to direct the lawsuit in a direction he finds favourable.

Why would he? The defendants have been so exceptionally stupid that they poison the well themselves.

 

[HighwayStar]

It's optimistic to think Nick is trying to implicate himself so directly as to bluff on camera in an attempt to direct the lawsuit in a direction he finds favourable.

Why would he? The defendants have been so exceptionally stupid that they poison the well themselves.

Also, Vic himself said that he had friends in Funimation and the industry who support him and offer him words of encouragement, but are scared to come forward.

 

[Mister Y]

I believe this to be the case and 100% hope it is the case but realize that if it's not true (if Nick & Ty have no internal Funimation informants), Nick may be using this tactic to put the bug in people's ears to poison the Funimation work environment and raise Funimation's pain of involvement, goading them to settle.

The leaked audio files prove Nick is not bluffing.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

And if your analysis below is true (I hope it's not) there's no hope if the appeals court sends it back to Chupp - no hope if the TCPA must be re-done, and no hope for Vic in a trial.

Not exactly because of another factor: the jury. Chupp is not required to even look at anything until the jury takes their decission except for sorting objections. And if chupp CAN avoid giving a fuck he WILL avoid giving a fuck. That said, the objections and once the jury is done the sanctions are going to be a complete clownshow. But yeah once COA gets up and deals with this he'll just be that source of lols that isn't too damaging until the jury is done, and after that Vic will have the sentence anyway, the sanctions never really mattered that much.

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

I'm wondering if there's going to be a hearing tomorrow or if they're gonna get to delay. Have we gotten word on that?

Because if they are doing it tomorrow, I hope Vic's counsel is prepared.

 

[Random Internet Person]

I'm wondering if there's going to be a hearing tomorrow or if they're gonna get to delay. Have we gotten word on that?

Because if they are doing it tomorrow, I hope Vic's counsel is prepared.

What are the odds of people coming here to do victory laps and air propaganda? I wanna know if tomorrow’s a day where I avoid this part of the farms.

 

[HighwayStar]

I'm wondering if there's going to be a hearing tomorrow or if they're gonna get to delay. Have we gotten word on that?

Because if they are doing it tomorrow, I hope Vic's counsel is prepared.

In a recent stream, Nick has implied that the likelihood of Chupp extending the hearing is very unlikely, mainly because Chupp just wants this to go away. I’ll be honestly shocked if Chupp concedes to Ty and Martinez’s requests. So if you see the KV Cancers gloat on the farms, prepare yourself.

 

[AcrylicShadow]

It's optimistic to think Nick is trying to implicate himself so directly as to bluff on camera in an attempt to direct the lawsuit in a direction he finds favourable.

Why would he? The defendants have been so exceptionally stupid that they poison the well themselves.

This man singlehandedly caused Funimation to trend #1 on Twitter worldwide for all the wrong reasons. People in their camp would be stupid NOT to take him and his words seriously. lol.

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

What are the odds of people coming here to do victory laps and air propaganda? I wanna know if tomorrow’s a day where I avoid this part of the farms.

In a recent stream, Nick has implied that the likelihood of Chupp extending the hearing is very unlikely, mainly because Chupp just wants this to go away. I’ll be honestly shocked if Chupp concedes to Ty and Martinez’s requests. So if you see the KV Cancers gloat on the farms, prepare yourself.

Everyone, grab the hazmat suits and the jellybeans.

 

[diskboomer]

Everyone, grab the hazmat suits and the jellybeans.

Can I get jellytots instead? I don’t wanna get metoo’d.

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

Can I get jellytots instead? I don’t wanna get metoo’d.

The jellybeans are to deter the MeTooers because they're assault weapons.

 

[Lone MacReady]

No matter the outcome, Funimation is pretty much damaged goods in the eyes of many sensible anime fans. Funimation had ample attempts to settle this and avoid the PR headache and they blew it. The way they conducted themselves and their voice actors the past year proves that they are a shady company that treat their fans and VA’s they don’t like like absolute shit. The fact that the company sent an order yesterday requesting the court to deny Vic’s continuance of the 11-21 hearing proves it.

Although I don’t feel bad for Funimation, I do feel bad for those who either tried to stay quiet, or wanted nothing to do with the drama and were forced into it. As far as I’m concerned, they and Vic are the true victims of this because now this dark cloud is going to linger over their heads for a long time. Unless they pull a Jefferson Smith and become whistleblowers.


If there’s one good thing that came out of this mess, it’s that we now know that VA’s are just as capable of hating each other as actors in Hollywood. If they can stab Vic in the back, they can do this to anybody. In addition, whatever they post and like on Twitter shouldn’t be taken with face value, because what if they liked those tweets to save face? Remember, they all spoke glowingly about Vic on Twitter and look what happened. Don’t think there aren’t VA’s who are pretending to be nice to each other on Twitter, but in fact despise one another in real life.

And then there’s Nick Rekieta stating multiple times that there are VA’s in the industry and in Funimation who support Vic and hate the clique and are secretly sending him and Vic’s attorney information. What I would do to turn into a fly and buzz around in Funimation HQ to see what goes on behind the scenes.

I will cut my thumb off before I support Funi or any of these western middlemen ever again. At worst, no one gets my cash and I save my money - not a hard thing to do with all the shills about nowadays. At best, Japanese creators at the source get my money, and the western middlemen continue to get outed as the political hacks they are. Never supporting Funimation again, full piracy/apathy. Animu in general will only get less-cancerous by exiling these people from their editorial control in the current industry.

 

[xyz741]

The fuck does he mean, this is what the TCPA is for? It’s there to harm people? Hmm

This is the core disconnect from both sides over what "fight" means.
For ISWV, "fight" means fight the defamatory claims made against him.
For KV, "fight" means bully the poor women trying to make their claims into silence.

And, in my opinion, this is the core problem with sexual harassment claims per se. If Vic did something illegal then Rial & Marchi should bring legal charges agsint him so he can defend himself. Otherwise, this is the one way to clear his name. Whlie it may be within the letter of TCPA law (which is why the statute was recently amended and many are getting pushed back on) it's against the spirit and intent IMO to say TCPA allows an individual to block another individual from asking someone to PROVE defamatory claims.

I feel like, at worst a requirement should be we at least come out of a case like this with an agreement as to the legitimacy of the claims. If we end by saying the case is dismissed (due to TCPA) because the claims were false BUT the defendants did not act with malice, that's one thing. But to say "the defendants didn't act with malice" and "the claims may or may not be true, who knows" seems irresponsible when we're talking about statements of fact rather than opinions (like "I don't like Vic").

 

[Lone MacReady]

This is the core disconnect from both sides over what "fight" means.
For ISWV, "fight" means fight the defamatory claims made against him.
For KV, "fight" means bully the poor women trying to make their claims into silence.

And, in my opinion, this is the core problem with sexual harassment claims per se. If Vic did something illegal then Rial & Marchi should bring legal charges agsint him so he can defend himself. Otherwise, this is the one way to clear his name. Whlie it may be within the letter of TCPA law (which is why the statute was recently amended and many are getting pushed back on) it's against the spirit and intent IMO to say TCPA allows an individual to block another individual from asking someone to PROVE defamatory claims.

I feel like, at worst a requirement should be we at least come out of a case like this with an agreement as to the legitimacy of the claims. If we end by saying the case is dismissed (due to TCPA) because the claims were false BUT the defendants did not act with malice, that's one thing. But to say "the defendants didn't act with malice" and "the claims may or may not be true, who knows" seems irresponsible when we're talking about statements of fact rather than opinions (like "I don't like Vic").

Why would they bring up legal charges and do things by the book when they could just lie on Twitter and let the SJW mob do all their work for them? For a good month there it was working, getting Vic branded as guilty in the spergy eyes of the Court of internet society.

 

[HighwayStar]

On a much sadder note, Emily Neves lost her brother yesterday in a car accident.

No matter how you feel about her, losing a close member of your immediate family absolutely sucks.

 

[Son of Sparda 84]

So let me get this. If Funi didn't accuse Vic of being a sexual harasser, then why fire him and make it public