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Seems like he wants both but lacks the ability to do either one correctly in the first place, let alone together.does he want Growing Around to be a wacky sitcom or a story driven show.
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Seems like he wants both but lacks the ability to do either one correctly in the first place, let alone together.does he want Growing Around to be a wacky sitcom or a story driven show.
I came across a cartoon that Enter must absolutely take notes from if he wants any kind of success. It's a Disney Jr. cartoon called Bluey, but despite that it's the only cartoon targeted toward very small children that doesn't make me feel dumb or ashamed for watching and even enjoying it. It's a fun, lighthearted show that takes common problems kids face and shows them ways to deal with them in creative ways.
Let me break down the episode "Shadowlands" and point out what Growing Around could learn from it. (Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJkn-r-rJJY episode starts at 13:38
Right off the bat we're shown a group of kids playing a game at the park, but one of the kids manipulates the rules for her own gain at the expense of the game's fun. Literally 20 seconds into the episode and we've already established who, what, and where, along with the primary conflict. In contrast, GA will often meander throughout an episode without establishing any form of identity or reason for conflict, or if it does it jumps through unnecessary hoops to get there.
Even though I'm not familiar with the game the kids are playing, it was easy to figure out thanks to the context the show provides. In GA, you usually have to watch 15 hours of Enter streams and get a degree in psychology to understand what he's getting at.
Next, Bluey suggests a new game for them to play, in which they must go from one end of the park to the other while only stepping foot inside shadows. It's a logical transition from one plot point to another and keeps the introduction relevant. The kids play around with their new game for a while until they come across a problem where one of the gaps in the shadows is too wide for one of the kids the get across. They solve this in a way that's infinitely more creative than anything I've seen in GA, yet is simple enough that it's not jarring at all that the kids were able to figure it out. The other two kids simple jump the gap then position themselves to create a 'bridge' using their shadows so the other kid can get to the other side. I can't think of a single instance in GA where kids use problem solving skills a kid could relate to like this.
Throughout the episode, the girl who likes to bend the rules keeps suggesting ways to get around obstacles in unfair ways. While she's not a bad kid, she does take on the role of the antagonist, but not in a mean spirited or dramatic way. She's just a regular kid who has her way of doing things, even if it is a bit pampered. Contrast that to GA antagonists who are over-the-top caricatures in positions of power that effectively let Enter write them as able to do whatever the hell he wants with no regard for logistics. If Enter wrote this episode, the girl would be a bully who builds a "darklight" (think opposite of a flashlight) out of chocolate syrup and a smelly rollerskate so she can get across the park easily and uses it to lure the other kids into a false sense of security before turning it off under their feet in a bright area.
Eventually they reach an impasse and all hope is lost. The girl once again suggests foregoing the rules so they can get to the end and have cupcakes. She puts up a convincing argument since there's no shade to be found between them and their goal. But just as they're about to step out of the shadows, they notice a cloud approaching the sun. They decide to wait a few seconds for it to provide them the shade to get across, and they make it to their destination in the nick of time, realizing that the limitations of the game are what make it fun and that they wouldn't have had nearly as good a time if they made up an excuse to walk in the light. Again, this contrasts with the GA way of doing things where nothing makes sense, nothing connects point A to point B, the conflict isn't relatable, the solution isn't interesting, and everything was just a massive waste of time. Oh yeah, did I mention this episode is 6 minutes long? Enter treats his work like an epic that NEEDS to be 30 minutes per episode full of """DEEPEST LORE""" and """MORALLY GREY SITUATIONS""", but as I've demonstrated, a concise episode is able to accomplish everything he should be aiming for. And that is a competently told story that's relatable for children and people who were once children (ie everyone) without dumbing things down or trying to punch above its weight class.
The only thing I don't like about this episode are the fact that the girl outright states the moral and the writers didn't even attempt to make it sound natural ("That's why you can't change the rules, because they make it fun!"), but I guess they were running out of time. I'll forgive it only because the rest of the episode is so well crafted. It's the opposite with GA, where sometimes I'll find a small part I kinda liked but it's dragged down by everything surrounding it.
To top it all off, the art style for Bluey is ridiculously simple and must be cheap to produce, yet is pleasing to the eye, matches the tone perfectly, and takes advantage of modern animation technology. Enter doesn't give a fuck about how animation works so he throws everything and the kitchen sink into every frame and writes it off as "But that's what a kid would do!" And he's right, only a kid would try to make a series as shitty as Growing Around.
One more thing I noticed while rewatching the intro just now. The fact that everyone in the family has personality and charm that's immediately recognizable as soon as you see them. The dad is doing a goofy dad dance mimicking starting up a lawnmower, the mom get a bit wild with her dancing before becoming embarrassed and reverting to a more reserved side, and the two kids make up dance moves that are unrefined and spastic. And obviously Bluey and Bingo have an older/younger sister relationship where Bluey is more confident and like a role model to Bingo. Everyone's so full of energy and soul, it makes the GA cast look like zombies, and you get the impression they're actually interesting characters rather than random ideas hastily typed into a deviantart submission form.
I just come here cause Enter threads are banned on /co/. Would you mind explaining how my post is autistic or is anything longer than 2 lines too daunting for you to actually read?“Huh, this is severely autistic, let me check- yep, of course, about 250 of their 259 posts are only in this one thread.”
I just come here cause Enter threads are banned on /co/. Would you mind explaining how my post is autistic or is anything longer than 2 lines too daunting for you to actually read?
Enter threads are banned on /co/.
Bitch, I come home from a long shift at work and find a wholesome thread about a cartoon dog family and spend some time relaxing watching it with my roommate. Then I came here and provided some discussion material comparing and contrasting a successful cartoon to Growing Around. You know, what the thread is about? Either contribute to the topic of the thread or shut the fuck up.You took the time out of your day to watch Disney Jr. cartoons and analyze them enough to make a longpost about them, ALONE. Lol.
Also:
Proving that once again, /co/ is filled with a bunch of faggots.
Bitch, I come home from a long shift at work and find a wholesome thread about a cartoon dog family and spend some time relaxing watching it with my roommate. Then I came here and provided some discussion material comparing and contrasting a successful cartoon to Growing Around. You know, what the thread is about? Either contribute to the topic of the thread or shut the fuck up.
I'd introduce you to him but I don't think he's interested in faggots. Now do you have any actual criticism against my post or is reading more than a paragraph too challenging for you? No wonder this thread is like a broken record lately, nobody bothers to read GA scripts anymore so it's just been "wow new script I bet it's autistic" on loop. Why are you even in this thread if you're not interested in discussing the topic?That's even more fucking autistic.
What kind of roommate do you have where they're like "eh, fuck, this nigga be watchin' Disney Jr. again. might as well join in"?
I'd introduce you to him but I don't think he's interested in faggots. Now do you have any actual criticism against my post or is reading more than a paragraph too challenging for you? No wonder this thread is like a broken record lately, nobody bothers to read GA scripts anymore so it's just been "wow new script I bet it's autistic" on loop. Why are you even in this thread if you're not interested in discussing the topic?
Let me get this straight, you're sitting here at your computer giggling like a schoolgirl because a stranger on the internet hung out with his roommate and enjoyed a cartoon aimed at general audiences, who then tried to have a discussion about it in a relevent thread only for several edgelords to come in screeching "AUTISM!!!" because they see more than a paragraph? Ok. I'm not even mad, but even if I was I'd calm down after I turn off the computer while you'd still be retarded your whole life. Now can we please get a Growing Around discussion started or is this no longer the place?Why so serious?
I'm not here for the scripts, although I do read them. I'm here for Enter's shitty vids. There's nothing inherently wrong with your post. We're just laughing at the fact that you sat your ass down with your roommate to watch a Disney Jr. show and then spent a bunch of minutes, probably around 20, writing that shit out and analyzing and comparing to Growing Around like it's some kind of book report and you're getting Mad At The Internet when people laugh at you for it. That kind of stuff is hilarious to me.
I came across a cartoon that Enter must absolutely take notes from if he wants any kind of success. It's a Disney Jr. cartoon called Bluey, but despite that it's the only cartoon targeted toward very small children that doesn't make me feel dumb or ashamed for watching and even enjoying it. It's a fun, lighthearted show that takes common problems kids face and shows them ways to deal with them in creative ways.
Let me break down the episode "Shadowlands" and point out what Growing Around could learn from it. (Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJkn-r-rJJY episode starts at 13:38
Right off the bat we're shown a group of kids playing a game at the park, but one of the kids manipulates the rules for her own gain at the expense of the game's fun. Literally 20 seconds into the episode and we've already established who, what, and where, along with the primary conflict. In contrast, GA will often meander throughout an episode without establishing any form of identity or reason for conflict, or if it does it jumps through unnecessary hoops to get there.
Even though I'm not familiar with the game the kids are playing, it was easy to figure out thanks to the context the show provides. In GA, you usually have to watch 15 hours of Enter streams and get a degree in psychology to understand what he's getting at.
Next, Bluey suggests a new game for them to play, in which they must go from one end of the park to the other while only stepping foot inside shadows. It's a logical transition from one plot point to another and keeps the introduction relevant. The kids play around with their new game for a while until they come across a problem where one of the gaps in the shadows is too wide for one of the kids the get across. They solve this in a way that's infinitely more creative than anything I've seen in GA, yet is simple enough that it's not jarring at all that the kids were able to figure it out. The other two kids simple jump the gap then position themselves to create a 'bridge' using their shadows so the other kid can get to the other side. I can't think of a single instance in GA where kids use problem solving skills a kid could relate to like this.
Throughout the episode, the girl who likes to bend the rules keeps suggesting ways to get around obstacles in unfair ways. While she's not a bad kid, she does take on the role of the antagonist, but not in a mean spirited or dramatic way. She's just a regular kid who has her way of doing things, even if it is a bit pampered. Contrast that to GA antagonists who are over-the-top caricatures in positions of power that effectively let Enter write them as able to do whatever the hell he wants with no regard for logistics. If Enter wrote this episode, the girl would be a bully who builds a "darklight" (think opposite of a flashlight) out of chocolate syrup and a smelly rollerskate so she can get across the park easily and uses it to lure the other kids into a false sense of security before turning it off under their feet in a bright area.
Eventually they reach an impasse and all hope is lost. The girl once again suggests foregoing the rules so they can get to the end and have cupcakes. She puts up a convincing argument since there's no shade to be found between them and their goal. But just as they're about to step out of the shadows, they notice a cloud approaching the sun. They decide to wait a few seconds for it to provide them the shade to get across, and they make it to their destination in the nick of time, realizing that the limitations of the game are what make it fun and that they wouldn't have had nearly as good a time if they made up an excuse to walk in the light. Again, this contrasts with the GA way of doing things where nothing makes sense, nothing connects point A to point B, the conflict isn't relatable, the solution isn't interesting, and everything was just a massive waste of time. Oh yeah, did I mention this episode is 6 minutes long? Enter treats his work like an epic that NEEDS to be 30 minutes per episode full of """DEEPEST LORE""" and """MORALLY GREY SITUATIONS""", but as I've demonstrated, a concise episode is able to accomplish everything he should be aiming for. And that is a competently told story that's relatable for children and people who were once children (ie everyone) without dumbing things down or trying to punch above its weight class.
The only thing I don't like about this episode are the fact that the girl outright states the moral and the writers didn't even attempt to make it sound natural ("That's why you can't change the rules, because they make it fun!"), but I guess they were running out of time. I'll forgive it only because the rest of the episode is so well crafted. It's the opposite with GA, where sometimes I'll find a small part I kinda liked but it's dragged down by everything surrounding it.
To top it all off, the art style for Bluey is ridiculously simple and must be cheap to produce, yet is pleasing to the eye, matches the tone perfectly, and takes advantage of modern animation technology. Enter doesn't give a fuck about how animation works so he throws everything and the kitchen sink into every frame and writes it off as "But that's what a kid would do!" And he's right, only a kid would try to make a series as shitty as Growing Around.
One more thing I noticed while rewatching the intro just now. The fact that everyone in the family has personality and charm that's immediately recognizable as soon as you see them. The dad is doing a goofy dad dance mimicking starting up a lawnmower, the mom get a bit wild with her dancing before becoming embarrassed and reverting to a more reserved side, and the two kids make up dance moves that are unrefined and spastic. And obviously Bluey and Bingo have an older/younger sister relationship where Bluey is more confident and like a role model to Bingo. Everyone's so full of energy and soul, it makes the GA cast look like zombies, and you get the impression they're actually interesting characters rather than random ideas hastily typed into a deviantart submission form.
the autism had to be contained for a reason. we shouldnt have messed with the outside forces trying to stop usSo this is why they closed the subforum.
Dude.
Any show that currently exists is better than Enter's show.
Hell any piece of media that exists, print or otherwise, is automatically better than Growing Around. That's not exactly a high bar to set, especially for a Disney Junior show. That's like me making a 17-page essay over how Rollie Pollie Ollie or Blue's Clues is better than a pile of shit on the other side of the sidewalk a hobo just took. Yeah, no shit it is: does it really warrant dissecting either of those products in detail to compare and contrast it to a piece of shit, especially in that much detail?
Can you really not see the irony in being overly serious over a Disney Junior show, and then getting extremely assmad when people tell you it's not that deep and doesn't warrant you getting this pissed at other people, in a Mr. Enter thread?
I don't think even Mr. Enter would make this big a deal about a preschool show. MLP is the obvious exception (because who WASN'T discussing that show in its prime,) but whenever he mentions any other preschool show in his journals, he never goes further than "I respect this." It's not the kind of show he usually obsesses over, and it's definitely not the kind of show he wants to write. His content leans more toward "ages 6-12" cartoons, for better or worse.
Bruh, your reviews of Enter's scripts are usually pretty entertaining, but you should know better than to tell the Farms about some Disney Junior show you watch.I just come here cause Enter threads are banned on /co/. Would you mind explaining how my post is autistic or is anything longer than 2 lines too daunting for you to actually read?
I honestly don't get the point of Enter's scripts, it would just be better for him to write his own fictional story because there is no way his "Show" will ever get picked up. Especially with how in your face the gender issues are which for some reason are more of the focus on this show than adults and kids roles being reversed.Bruh, your reviews of Enter's scripts are usually pretty entertaining, but you should know better than to tell the Farms about some Disney Junior show you watch.
Anywho, we're back to season 3 again now:
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Growing Around - Faking History (season 3) by MrEnter on DeviantArt
www.deviantart.com
Eh, I wouldn't go that far. He did make an entire Animated Atrocity video over Arthur awhile back.