Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Oh I don't mind them much either, but they were among the points the old EU haters regularly voiced dislike for. I remember one of the complaints were how the Vong were destroying a lot of the established planets and alien races to raise the stakes. Which is hilarious in hindsight considering how the First Order went full Einsatz on all the old alien races
Or that they killed off Chewbacca and other characters for cheap drama. Flash forward to the original three being dead having never even reunited on screen except Carrie who's the only one dead in real life and Chewbacca reduced to being Rey's chaffeur.

That's something that I'd like to know about current SW Lore...

So, there was a virus that killed off a bunch of classic SW aliens, but there's also the First Order exterminating them apparently, is that last part actually true?

I mean, the New Republic was fucking stupid for ignoring the FO as long as they were just a bunch of wannabe-Empire-spergs at the ass-end of the galaxy, if it now turns out that the New Republic sat back and watched entire fucking species die in a genocide without doing anything and still not sending their fleet to deal with that threat, that makes them even worse.
I don't know about the First Order, mostly because all we know about their campaign into the Galaxy after TFA is that they 'reign', the OG Empire committed a bunch of xenocides through orbital bombardment in both the EU and and disney canon though. The Nu-Republic did ignore the First Order apparently conducting massive slave raids on their borderlands for who knows how long so they probably ignore genocides too.
 
Since we're speaking of references, apparently CP30's red arm was supposed to reference Snake's arm from MGSV TPP for some reason or another?
That's what people thought at the time when they saw a picture of JJ and Kojimbo but in reality JJ wanted the royalties on the merchandising, since this C3P0 variant was designed by Bad Robot, he would earn the money on every C3P0 toy with a red arm.
It's not really new. He tried to pull that stunt with Paramount. Originally he wanted Paramount and CBS to stop selling merchandise related to past Star Trek productions but they told him to fuck off.
Alex Kurtzman - who is in charge of the tv side of the Star Trek brand - also tried to get a few bucks on his Star Trek OCs (STD) but every company has declined the offers, even Todd McFarlane. The only few merch available are the generic shit made by CBS (shirts, mugs etc.), a couple of ship models made by Eaglemoss and the expensive costumes by Anovos.
 
Oh I don't mind them much either, but they were among the points the old EU haters regularly voiced dislike for. I remember one of the complaints were how the Vong were destroying a lot of the established planets and alien races to raise the stakes. Which is hilarious in hindsight considering how the First Order went full Einsatz on all the old alien races
The hypocrisy of mouse drones is astounding. Worse is that LF employees like Pablo Hidalgo joined the choir.

''The EU was shit because lol Palpatine clones, so dumb.''
''WHAT? THE EMPEROR? OH MY GOD I CAN'T WAIT''

''You just wanted to see Luke kill everyone with no effort with awesome poses''
''OMG DID YOU SEE REY JUMP OVER THE TIE FIGHTER SO BADASS OH MY GOOOOOOD''

''Fuck the prequels, who the hell liked that mute red guy?''
''DARTH MAUL VS AHSOKA JIZZ IN MY PANTS''

''The EU was too autistic and cash grabby''
New Thrawn book has Padme go to galaxy edge and taste every menu served at the park.
 
The hypocrisy of mouse drones is astounding. Worse is that LF employees like Pablo Hidalgo joined the choir.

''The EU was shit because lol Palpatine clones, so dumb.''
''WHAT? THE EMPEROR? OH MY GOD I CAN'T WAIT''

''You just wanted to see Luke kill everyone with no effort with awesome poses''
''OMG DID YOU SEE REY JUMP OVER THE TIE FIGHTER SO BADASS OH MY GOOOOOOD''

''Fuck the prequels, who the hell liked that mute red guy?''
''DARTH MAUL VS AHSOKA JIZZ IN MY PANTS''

''The EU was too autistic and cash grabby''
New Thrawn book has Padme go to galaxy edge and taste every menu served at the park.
"The Post-ROTJ EU rehashed the Empire too much and kept throwing bigger and dumber superweapons at us"
"WHO CARES IF TFA BASICALLY COPIED ANH BETWEEN THE FIRST ORDER AND STARKILLER BASE THEY HAD TO REMIND PEOPLE WHAT STAR WARS WAS AND WASH THE PREQUELS OUT OF EVERYONE'S MOUTHS"

"Characters like Mara Jade and Jaina Solo were mary sue teenage fapbait and don't count as strong female representation"
"OMG KYLO IS SO BROODING AND HOT YASS QUEEN REY"
 
What about this. What if Episode IX comes out and it sucks, and then Star Wars takes a break. And then Disney announces a new Star Wars movie directed by George Lucas? Or produced by George Lucas? Maybe that could save the day.
I kind of doubt it would help at this point. Lucas would be an improvement but it would still be muddled prequel-tier garbage. Their only hope would to come out with something completely original and on par with the OT to turn things around. I don't know a surefire way to do that and I don't think there is one. The best bet would maybe be to find a really outstanding sci-fi script and adapt it to the Star Wars universe and take a gamble on a relatively unknown director to film it (and hope they work out better than Johnson).

Alternatively, I think they could do well if they found a really good leading man to head up a couple of movies as a sort of Jedi Indiana Jones going on standalone adventures. They would have to find someone really charismatic who could carry the films but I don't think this is an option given #MeToo and all the "Force is Female" BS going on.
 
I kind of doubt it would help at this point. Lucas would be an improvement but it would still be muddled prequel-tier garbage. Their only hope would to come out with something completely original and on par with the OT to turn things around. I don't know a surefire way to do that and I don't think there is one. The best bet would maybe be to find a really outstanding sci-fi script and adapt it to the Star Wars universe and take a gamble on a relatively unknown director to film it (and hope they work out better than Johnson).

I think this is not quite the right answer. The only good outcome that could actually happen, IMO, would be to have Lucas write the new movie and then have a director with a lot of clout actually realize it. My theory is that with Lucas writing, you could capture the Buck Rogers mindset that has always been the most endearing part of his writing (and is frankly an integral part of good Star Wars) but have the actual execution in the hands of someone who can 1) tighten up the dialog and trim down the stupid/extraneous shit and 2) tell Kathleen Kennedy and her catlady writing brigade to sit down and shut up.

No-name directors are, IMO, a no-go just because they can't stand up to the Disney juggernaut or get fired if they do. Miller and Lord are good at this, and Gareth Edwards is at least competent, but none of their individual qualities can survive getting passed through the human centipede of Disney's corporate "creative" process.
 
Oh I don't mind them much either, but they were among the points the old EU haters regularly voiced dislike for. I remember one of the complaints were how the Vong were destroying a lot of the established planets and alien races to raise the stakes. Which is hilarious in hindsight considering how the First Order went full Einsatz on all the old alien races
In defense of the Vong at least they were different.
A purely biological BDSM, that's not hyperbole by the way, warrior race who abhor technology and the force and using their biotech wage a devastating war on the galaxy.
You can quibble over the quality of the books but it was better and more original than "Original Trilogy 2.0. Now with more vagina and subverted expectations!".
Pretty much why I've grown less hostile towards the Vong war in recent years. Disney pretty much just repeated what they did but with less originality and with more damage and shits being taken on the heroes. And even if I disliked parts of the war, they're far more competently written and unique than anything Disney has pumped out.
That's something that I'd like to know about current SW Lore...

So, there was a virus that killed off a bunch of classic SW aliens, but there's also the First Order exterminating them apparently, is that last part actually true?

I mean, the New Republic was fucking stupid for ignoring the FO as long as they were just a bunch of wannabe-Empire-spergs at the ass-end of the galaxy, if it now turns out that the New Republic sat back and watched entire fucking species die in a genocide without doing anything and still not sending their fleet to deal with that threat, that makes them even worse.
It wasn't a virus, it was an evil space tick cult that turns you into a mutant zombie by biting your neck which was never even properly defeated (Edit: Although now that I think about it, I think there were some new zombie viruses this time around along with the old blackwing one). But the First Order, especially Kylo Ren, go on mass murder runs to instill fear or for no explicit reason. I discussed this before, like in the new Resistance cartoon, Kylo Ren subjugated and slaughtered a planet of brown skinned humans/humanoids with red hair and yellow eyes for no real reason, with only two kids escaping. The FO realized this would make them look bad if news got out so they hunted down and put bounties on the kids to keep them from telling anyone that the FO is run by violent idiots. There's also mentions of them committing atrocities, genocides and bombardments, but their biggest toll was their not-Death Star's blast in TFA which not only wiped out not-Coruscant but the entirety of that star system and all who lived in it.

The Empire in old lore committed genocides, enslavement and bombardments on other worlds too, but the genocides were reserved for species or humans from unknown planets that never appeared in the movies or anywhere, but even that was only for extreme cases as an act of showing force (before the Death Star they would use orbital bombardments to wipe out a world), the real major thing was enslavement of aliens that looked the least human. For example, Wookiees and the Talz (both from the movies), with their species forced to work in mines or in construction, like the Death Star, but both species and other common ones like them were able to recover nicely. The enslavement part is still in Disney lore with the same species and some new ugly ones, but Disney really let the Empire go all out with the bombardments, including on some well known species, like the Geonosians (AotC) which they successfully exterminated completely so they couldn't tell anyone how to build their own Death Stars, and they were going to bombard Ryloth too in the Rebels cartoon but were stopped, although the place got fucked by war apparently. There's mention of other worlds but nothing explicit.

Another noticeable sign of how unimportant aliens and droids are would be the new Alphabet Squadron book (yes that's the name of their squad...), where aliens are few and only briefly mentioned, and the entirety of the Alphabet soup squad is made up of humans except for one (who really isn't that relevant and is more like a token since the book just focuses on some ex-imperial lesbian called Yrica), while the majority of the characters in the book are also human and the rest have their appearance and species unidentified. The only major non-human in the book is their general which is just the green twilek from the Rebels cartoon making another cameo to make sure everything links back to Rebels. The shtick of the Alphabet Soup book is that its just a reboot/replacement to the old X-Wing novels, with it following a similar rhythm and theme, but the contrast is noticeable in that the X-Wing novels showcased an assortment of interesting aliens, planets and droids mingling with humans (with some even breaking away from pre-established tropes associated with their species), and also having real character, expanding not just the characters but the setting and being an actual part of the squad, and the X-Wing novels are still celebrated to this day. The book by itself seems competent but in the end its just trying to desperately be a less inspired replacement for the X-Wing novels while trying to glorify its five human pilots as being characters you need to adore because they're cool and super strong, like Kairos (a masked silent emo girl) who singlehandedly fucks over a stormtrooper squad cuz she's just that stronk and independent and Yrica who is an amazing hotshot bisexual pilot and just another imperial defector character for Disney no different than the Inferno Squad girl.

What about this. What if Episode IX comes out and it sucks, and then Star Wars takes a break. And then Disney announces a new Star Wars movie directed by George Lucas? Or produced by George Lucas? Maybe that could save the day.
I can only see George making things worse. Almost every decision he makes directly results in a messy disaster, which is how we got the special editions, prequel/clone fellating and Disney. The man is a good idea man, without a doubt, but he needs to be tard wrangled, and in this situation, we have George getting tard wrangled by even bigger tards and honestly a film by him would do little or nothing to improve Disney's shit. Even if what he made was good and he was working with some competent people who actually cared about SW unrelated to Disney, the end result would be like adding a cherry on top of a turd. And if his shit takes place in a separate continuity from Disney's, that's fine, but I still don't think he has the capacity to do good anymore. Still, whatever he makes would probably be miles less offensive to the senses than what Disney has produced.
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
The new rumor about IX (according to Doomcock's source) is that they are in the focus group phase, they have several edits of the movie and each edit has a radically different story. In a way, I could believe it, especially after the D23 trailer that felt like anything but a trailer for a new movie.

No-name directors are, IMO, a no-go just because they can't stand up to the Disney juggernaut or get fired if they do. Miller and Lord are good at this, and Gareth Edwards is at least competent, but none of their individual qualities can survive getting passed through the human centipede of Disney's corporate "creative" process.
I liked the idea of having new/younger directors for each stand alone movie, they could've brought an original take on Star Wars (we can still see it in Rogue One) but there's a big problem: the people who are in charge of the franchise have no idea of what they really want.
Directing a Star Wars movie was Garreth Edwards' lifelong dream but his experience with Disney/LF was a nightmare, same for Colin Trevorrow, there are stories about how every time he would meet with Kennedy it would end with a lot of shouting, tears and doors slammed. Don't get me wrong, fights happen in a lot of productions but it's usually over the budget or some story elements and they rapidly find an agreement but here it always ended with the firing of the director.

What about this. What if Episode IX comes out and it sucks, and then Star Wars takes a break. And then Disney announces a new Star Wars movie directed by George Lucas? Or produced by George Lucas? Maybe that could save the day.
I would be fine if they approach Lucas in order to pitch some general ideas, themes and guide lines for where to go after IX and have a group of writers (not a Story Group) to create the new lore and characters.
That said, if I were George, I would tell them to go fuck themselves. They threw him under the bus as a damage control move after TLJ. Remember the wave of articles from the access media praising Disney for aquiring SW because "George's ideas for a Sequel Trilogy were ridiculous"?
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
Alternatively, I think they could do well if they found a really good leading man to head up a couple of movies as a sort of Jedi Indiana Jones going on standalone adventures. They would have to find someone really charismatic who could carry the films but I don't think this is an option given #MeToo and all the "Force is Female" BS going on.

I'm almost certain the plan with Solo was that the film was supposed to succeed, because oh hey everybody loves Han Solo right? So, basically make him into space Indiana Jones (he kinda was already and not just because the same actor played both characters in the 70s and 80s). It was blatantly obvious they were going this route by setting up the Crimson Dawn or whoever being led by Darth Maul as kind of a mini-empire of crime lords for Han to tangle with in the future, complete with sexual tension with Qi'lara who was ultimately disposable because we all know Han eventually hooks up with Leia. And Enfys Nest hanging around sometimes because Enfys Nest was kind of hyped up as kind of a Boba Fett type IIRC.

I think ultimately, Disney's biggest blunder with Star Wars was expecting the franchise to sell itself and thus they could shill whatever under the brand and as long as it resembled a story, that's all the real effort they had to put in. Somehow, they don't seem to have ever bothered watching Episode 1 which everybody dislikes because A) Jar-Jar, and B) SO MUCH POLITICAL POSTURING.
 
All the Journey refurbs have been shit. Pretty much every Future World refurb after Cronkite Spaceship Earth was shit and even that was only an equal effort to its predecessor.
Epcot is my favorite Disney World park, so it's been a shame to see everything degrade over the years. I don't know why Iger/whoever is in charge of the decisions with the parks thinks it's a genius idea to add Guardians of the Galaxy rides that don't fit into the parks (Why are they building both a GOTG and Tron roller coaster? They're in different parks as Tron will be in Tomorrowland but it still seems redundant) they're in as a preclude to IP takeovers.

At this point I think I'm just grateful they didn't try to shove Galaxy's Edge into World Showcase as a halfassed attempt to keep the larp elements. GE has as much to do as one World Showcase pavilion does anyway (One ride, the rest is shopping and dining).
 
The new rumor about IX (according to Doomcock's source) is that they are in the focus group phase, they have several edits of the movie and each edit has a radically different story. In a way, I could believe it, especially after the D23 trailer that felt like anything but a trailer for a new movie.


Watched that video, too. And I couldn't help imagining some poor shmuck who is being paid by Disney to lurk /tv/ or Kiwifarms to read our shitposts and figure out how the crowd received the new set of leaks.
 
The new rumor about IX (according to Doomcock's source) is that they are in the focus group phase, they have several edits of the movie and each edit has a radically different story. In a way, I could believe it, especially after the D23 trailer that felt like anything but a trailer for a new movie.


I liked the idea of having new/younger directors for each stand alone movie, they could've brought an original take on Star Wars (we can still see it in Rogue One) but there's a big problem: the people who are in charge of the franchise have no idea of what they really want.
Directing a Star Wars movie was Garreth Edwards' lifelong dream but his experience with Disney/LF was a nightmare, same for Colin Trevorrow, there are stories about how every time he would meet with Kennedy it would end with a lot of shouting, tears and doors slammed. Don't get me wrong, fights happen in a lot of productions but it's usually over the budget or some story elements and they rapidly find an agreement but here it always ended with the firing of the director.


I would be fine if they approach Lucas in order to pitch some general ideas, themes and guide lines for where to go after IX and have a group of writers (not a Story Group) to create the new lore and characters.
That said, if I were George, I would tell them to go fuck themselves. They threw him under the bus as a damage control move after TLJ. Remember the wave of articles from the access media praising Disney for aquiring SW because "George's ideas for a Sequel Trilogy were ridiculous"?
I saw that rumor too, and its interesting in how it makes sense in that all these different leaks have things in common yet only differ in certain key areas, like say Rey's parentage. And its already been said that aside from the reshoots, JJ is still editing IX, which seems to somewhat strengthen the possibility that there are multiple versions of the film and they're simply deciding on which one to use. Anyway whatever the truth is, shit is looking to be a cluster fuck.
Watched that video, too. And I couldn't help imagining some poor shmuck who is being paid by Disney to lurk /tv/ or Kiwifarms to read our shitposts and figure out how the crowd received the new set of leaks.
Its hilarious to think that there are Disney employees being forced to browse through every shitpost response to the leaks, but frankly if there is such a thing going on, they're only like browsing Twitter, Facebook and Reddit.
Speaking of the old EU, I'm curious what everyone's favorite Legends book is. Personally, I think Traitor is the most interesting Star Wars has ever been. The ROTS novelization is really good, too.
My favorite isn't a masterpiece or anything but the Han Solo trilogy will always be a personal favorite of mine and was a fun experience all around, but my favorite old lore media wasn't a book, it was the video game Star Wars Bounty Hunter along with the Genndy Clone Wars cartoon which were what actually made me warm up to Attack of the Clones a little despite considering it the worst SW movie at the time. You know you did right when you manage to make Episode II's existence seem worthwhile.
 
I liked the idea of having new/younger directors for each stand alone movie, they could've brought an original take on Star Wars (we can still see it in Rogue One) but there's a big problem: the people who are in charge of the franchise have no idea of what they really want.

This is the largest problem with the Disney work - there isn't a singular vision driving and shaping the media. The OT had different directors (for the better, IMO) but Lucas was shaping the direction of the story and the arcs of the characters. You can, and should, criticize the scriptwriting and direction of the prequels but the story has a linear cohesion and the characters possess consistent arcs. Having George driving everything with his vision and ideas kept the movies moving towards a clear endpoint.

I am continually confused as to why they couldn't decide and commit to one scriptwriter and director for the core trilogy. Even JewJew doing all three, shitty as he is, would have been better. At least everything would be consistently shitty.

Directing a Star Wars movie was Garreth Edwards' lifelong dream but his experience with Disney/LF was a nightmare, same for Colin Trevorrow, there are stories about how every time he would meet with Kennedy it would end with a lot of shouting, tears and doors slammed. Don't get me wrong, fights happen in a lot of productions but it's usually over the budget or some story elements and they rapidly find an agreement but here it always ended with the firing of the director.

Yeah, the one-off movies were a place to really let loose and do some exploration into some other genres within the setting. It could have been a lot of fun, and Edward's original idea to do a kind of gritty, on the ground war movie about the Rebels would have been a real treat I think. Some other ideas floated would have been a lot of fun as well, as long as the directors were kept within the confines of the setting but given that freedom to work within it. Unfortunately it seems like things are too dysfunctional to allow that kind of creativity.
 
Epcot is my favorite Disney World park, so it's been a shame to see everything degrade over the years. I don't know why Iger/whoever is in charge of the decisions with the parks thinks it's a genius idea to add Guardians of the Galaxy rides that don't fit into the parks (Why are they building both a GOTG and Tron roller coaster? They're in different parks as Tron will be in Tomorrowland but it still seems redundant) they're in as a preclude to IP takeovers.

TRON is going to be a straight clone of the installation at Shanghai Disney and it's been a long time since WDW Tomorrowland got anything, so a TRON coaster will be a big draw for sure.

As for Guardians going into EPCOT, that has to do with the fact Universal actually has rights to Marvel properties for all parks east of the Mississippi, or so I think is the wording on the agreement from the 90s. So, Disney can't just drop in Marvel World like they're going to at DCA. Instead, apparently the coaster 'Cosmic Rewind' is going to be considered a 'Xandarian Outpost' in relation to Avengers Campus. As for why they're adding a coaster at all to Epcot, the fact is Epcot's original purpose as envisioned by Disney (loosely since he wanted a whole goddamn city which never happened) and its eventual, original implementation have long since been outdated thanks to the Internet. Or, essentially, they're trying to turn Epcot more into a standard park like Disneyland although at least they're trying to keep to the original ideals of it being 'educational' to a degree. I'm still kind of pissed of what they did with Test Track, which virtually was ruined by the same things that ruined Star Tours by becoming a personality-devoid 'modern' ride with a gimmick that's so-so at best. At the very least they haven't ruined Journey into Imagination further by making it some Inside Out nonsense but that still could happen unfortunately - by the same token, it's probably why they haven't paid any attention to that ride in years, because they can't cram an IP into it properly.


Yeah, the one-off movies were a place to really let loose and do some exploration into some other genres within the setting. It could have been a lot of fun, and Edward's original idea to do a kind of gritty, on the ground war movie about the Rebels would have been a real treat I think. Some other ideas floated would have been a lot of fun as well, as long as the directors were kept within the confines of the setting but given that freedom to work within it. Unfortunately it seems like things are too dysfunctional to allow that kind of creativity.

I think that's one of the greatest ironies of why Disney keeps fucking up with Star Wars - they're so fixated on shoving big name characters in your face that they don't realize the setting naturally should lead to stories, not the other way around. Much like how Star Tours used to be basically space airline travel that had Star Wars elements but was free to do its own thing, since the company Star Tours had jack shit to do with the whole galactic war to the point at one point in the ride an X-Wing pilot flat out asks Rex what the hell a civilian transport is doing in a restricted war zone.

Now it's a Star Wars ride with elements of a space airline because according to what I can find in the ride summary off wikipedia, apparently Star Tours is closely affiliated with Rogue Squardron from the beginning of its conception which is the whole reason the Empire shows up to capture the spy. And apparently, they updated the ride so you can actually take part in events out of chronological order, like having Kylo Ren try to get the spy out of the ship, which then takes off...and ends up in the middle of The Battle of Hoth which took place before Kylo Ren was even fucking born...then get contacted by Yoda confirming the spy is there (completely ignoring the time frame of this ride is supposed to be apparently between episodes 3 and 4, meaning Yoda is in self-imposed exile on Dagobah and should not be doing any of this)...and then get into the Battle of Naboo which took place when Vader was still a child and R2D2, who is plugged into your ship, should be on the Royal Naboo spaceship during that whole mess (as well as CP30 too, for that matter), before crash landing in the Naboo Starfighter hangar and CP30 remarks you're all part of the Resistance now even though he's somehow traveled back in time to before the the predecessor to the Resistance even existed. Remember, Kylo Ren was at the start of this thing, so going through this completely possible sequence of events I'm reading off wikipedia, apparently Starspeeders are traveling through time backwards and Yoda is helping an organization he canonically was never around for the existence of to begin with. But hey, look at how many recognizable things I just mentioned, just ignore the complete and utter disrespect to the passage of time within the franchise.
 
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