Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[DogEatDogFood]

The way they introduce the two characters is also quite different. Luke wants to leave that harsh place, to become a x-wing pilot, there's that sense of adventure. Rey's first appearence isn't like that. She has a job, a routine, doesn't want to leave, she's waiting for her parents to come back. That's not how you start an epic story.
Rey is a bad protagonist, every decision she makes is based on what happens in the next scene. She always appears at the right place at the right time and every iconic character has to stop what they're doing to acknowledge her presence.

Dis. Luke has an established motivation from the first time we saw him: leave his crappy mundane life and go in an adventure. Rey literally has no motivation for joining the Resistance because she was literally dragged in to the conflict. That could be interesting, a character that is afraid of change and only want to stay on his confort zone. But no, Rey inmediatly gains the trust of the Rebels and has no problems afterwards with that. And the subplot of she wanting to go home is never adressed. That's because Rey is not a character but an artificial construction to move forward the story. She is not necesarilly a Mary Sue because muh feminism: she is a Mary Sue because every thing she does is forced to move the story along. Why she bypassed the compressor that easily? Because she need to establish some crappy conection with Han. Why she knows the force? Because they needed a way to present her as the succesor of Luke. Why she can drive ships that easily? Because the story needs she and Finn to escape from the Empire. Why she can defeat Kylo so easily without training? Because they needed to establish the connection between she and Kylo somehow. In a good story, the characters drive the story. In a bad story, the story drives the characters

 

[JohnDoe]

Luke has an established motivation from the first time we saw him: leave his crappy mundane life and go in an adventure.

Luke literally stacks up no less than three motivations in the first half of the movie and as the films progress he accomplishes some and adds more because he's a dynamic character with clear goals who can affect the world.

Sure he starts with a naive desire for adventure, which leads into the motivation to rescue the princess, fight the empire to avenge his aunt/Uncle, and follow in his father's footsteps as a Jedi. He accomplishes the rescuing, and in the course loses Obi-Wan which develops and strengthens his other motivations and adds more dynamic depth to his existing motivations. Then in ESB he gets more motivations, to kick his Jedi training up a notch after his failure on Hoth, with Yoda to work on his Daddy/emotional issues, and then of course to rescue his friends. We all know how that all develops on Bespin. And so on in RoTJ, where we seem the same pattern.

At every point in the OT arc Luke's motivations, mindset, and capability make sense and form a logical progression from the beginning to the end. The setting is fantastic, sure, but the character is grounded and real enough to the common struggles we all share that Luke can support the world of starships and space wizards. Rey, in contrast, isn't and cannot, which is why for all the beautiful production design and work that expertly crafted set dressing collapses around her.

 

[Kamen Rider Black RX]

Rey is meant to be an ideal, rather than a character.

 

[Creep3r]

I wonder if it's part of the new coke deal and they are getting it for so much cheaper or if it's some dumb safety thing to prevent drunkenness from tourists that may be dehydrated, etc. I wouldn't think it'd work much better than just regular coke or some other soda though. Brawndo Powerade: it's got what plants tourists crave. It's got electrolytes.

As far as I know about Coke, their deal is that Coca Cola-brand drinks be the main staple of the park's beverages and that Coke be officially made canon within the Star Wars fictional universe as a product manufactured on planet Batuu. As a side note, Wookieepedia is making the Coke article a featured article as a way to promote the drink since its no secret that Wikia FANDOM is a corporate sellout subservient to several companies including Disney (I've discussed this before and Wikia's corporate selling out like 300 pages back which is most evident in how they rebranded "The Unofficial Disney Wiki" to "The Disney Wiki" and started getting more ads). And while we're on the subject of coke, pictures of the bottle from promo material made them look pretty stylized while claiming these would be new custom bottles designed to "feel as though they were made in a Galaxy Far Far Away".

People online were even saying they looked like soda grenades. But as it turns out, these are not metal or customized in anyway outside of the cap, they're just leftover coke bottles from Disney's Christmas/Holiday events which are made to look like Christmas ball decorations but with a new rusty-looking label put on it that peels off as easily as any other coke bottle label.

They're mainly served at "Kat's Kettle" which is just a popcorn stand that I really didn't feel like it was worth talking about since its so pitiful, but if you guys want I'll talk about.

Now back to the Docking Bay Food. I know I said in my last post that I would cover everything in one post but something suddenly came up. Anyway... I forgot to mention knives aren't allowed here, only foot sporks were but they all got stolen so now only forks are allowed so have fun cutting up this shit without a knife.

This is the Felucia Garden Spread. Below is a picture of what it looked like in promo material vs what it actually looks like now (I should've done that with the others come to think of it...).

Its another vegan dish made up of three gray vegan meatballs (which are just Impossible-brand meatballs which is a vegan company, and apparently everything here is bought or imported from somewhere else) with the meatballs being made of soy and potato proteins. The meatballs come served on a sour pita (the same one used in Ronto Rosters) along with "herb hummus" and tomato-cucumber relish mixed together on the bottom. This dish is only served during lunch hours. Lore behind this is that the ingredients (which don't have actual alien names) come from planet Felucia and are "farm-fresh" (lol) and raised with "love" (2xlol) by Felucian farmers and shipped quickly to you by {{Gossam merchants}}. Felucia was a Separatist planet that first appeared in Revenge of the Sith and it was the one with all the giant flowers. The Felucians are the natives of the planet which come in two races, with one being short and yellow bean people who exist as simple farmers entertained only by their cheap porn collections (first appeared in Filoni Wars) and the other being savage and tribalistic vine people (first appeared in an RPG guide and then in Force Unleashed) who protected Shaak Ti in Force Unleashed but that outfit was too sexy and problematic so its no longer canon. The Gossam are a wealthy species of blue assholes (first appeared in Episode II) who colonized the planet from the primitive natives and joined the CIS. The dish costs 12.99.

This is the Ithorian Garden Loaf. Promo vs Reality.

Its another vegan dish made of Impossible-brand soy/potato "meat" and despite being the same as the meatballs, its less flavorful somehow. It comes served with carrots, green beans and mushroom sauce atop mashed potatoes (same as the one used in the fried chicken). The lore is that its an Ithorian dish made with fresh all-natural ingredients from Ithor. Ithorians are the slug-like hammerhead aliens from ANH that have appeared throughout pre-Disney Star Wars media and are (or "were" under Disney) one of the most commonly seen species in the Galaxy, and obviously they were vegans who loved nature. Ithor was their home planet and one of the most dangerous and natural worlds in the galaxy because the Ithorians were strict hippies who believed that nature should be preserved by any means, so as soon as they could go into space they moved all their cities and factories to space stations. There's some kind of lore behind the mushrooms relating to something called Agar, Agars or Agares(?), but I have no idea what that is and search results yield nothing so I'm guessing its something new from Disney-canon relating to mushrooms or something the clerk made up on the spot. It costs 14.99.

Finally here we have the desserts, the Oi Oi Puff and the Batuu Bon. Pics of promo vs reality:

The Oi Oi Puff is the green one and the Batuu Bon is the purple one. The puff is a moss-colored cream puff filled with raspberry mousse and the yellow shit on it is a hardened passion fruit mousse. It has a little chocolate coin on it that has the symbol of the park. The Bon is a brownie cake filled with coffee custard and the top is coated with white chocolate. The disgusting moss-looking shit around both are organic matcha sponge cake bits (matcha is ground up green tea leaves). Here comes the lore... Oi-oi Puffs are made from Oi-Oi berries which were created by... fucking Chuck Wendig for his Aftermath book... and they were the favorite food of Chuck's "Iraeli/German mega gay" imperial OC Sinjir who rebelled against the Empire because they didn't like the gay marriage rather than because of the countless mass murders and genocides the Empire committed. I can't look at this thing without imagining Chuck's big old soy grin hovering over it as he gloats about how he's created something that will now be immortalized in this park while his self-insert becomes a major character in IX... Anyway the Batuu Bon is just named after the planet the freaking park is set in. The puff costs 6.49 and the bon costs 6.99.

All that's left are the drinks but I need to take a moment and try to forget Chuck's existence.

Also, I still don't get the ban on knives. The new forks are just as good at stabbing as a knife anyway.

And in case you missed it before, someone stole a shit ton of forks and coasters and they're being sold on ebay for 20 to 50 dollars.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

Are the coke bottles plastic or metal? If they were actually metal and had effort put into their design I would actually want a few.

 

[Creep3r]

Are the coke bottles plastic or metal? If they were actually metal and had effort put into their design I would actually want a few.

Like I said

But as it turns out, these are not metal or customized in anyway outside of the cap, they're just leftover coke bottles from Disney's Christmas/Holiday events which are made to look like Christmas ball decorations but with a new rusty-looking label put on it that peels off as easily as any other coke bottle label.

In short no. They're just regular plastic Coke bottles with a cheap label that peels off as easily as any other bottles which just leaves you with an empty transparent round bottle. If I have to be specific, the cap is not metal either it's just plastic left over from some other event. I posted a pic of one above already that had its label peeling off soon after they bought it.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

Like I said

In short no. They're just regular plastic Coke bottles with a cheap label that peels off as easily as any other bottles which just leaves you with an empty transparent round bottle. If I have to be specific, the cap is not metal either it's just plastic left over from some other event. I posted a pic of one above already that had its label peeling off soon after they bought it.

Ah that's stupid. Jesus Christ Disney what the fuck are you doing.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

Powerade reeks of being cheap too.

I don't know how Powerade compares to Gatorade, but eight 20-oz (600 mL) bottles of Gatorade can be had for around US$5.50. So for one of those overpriced $15 Powerade drinks, one could get 24 bottles of Gatorade.

To this day, I particularly like how they didn't even come up with exclusive food for their SW themed park.
That's the biggest appeal, when it comes to food and drink in such parks.

Even if it was just cute names as @Jub-Jub suggested, that alone could provide more of a Star Wars/intergalactic feel for the menu items. Instead fans get bland names corresponding to equally bland food and drinks that could be had elsewhere in the park with less hassle. So much for making visitors feel like they're immersed in the Star Wars Universe.

 

[Adamska]

Ah that's stupid. Jesus Christ Disney what the fuck are you doing.

Trying to dump off the refuse from dozens of companies it looks like in a blindness caused by greed cash grab.

The fact that Coke is now canon to Star Wars is peak failure at a brand. Doubly so since that vegan shit they're selling? Hilariously limits who can eat there since out of the group of people I know, several of them have soy allergies. They couldn't eat it if they tried. Not a single lick of creativity; no Falusian Ripper, a portabello dog on a rich non-wheat bun (maybe potato or bushbread). No cashew cheese ravioli (made of gnocchi dough) described as a Anarogi Pierogi just to pull some shit out of my buttcheeks.

Fuck it, let me go more into some ideas for TFA that've come to me, I need to direct this passion somewhere and palate cleanse. Let's get to wherever the story takes me:

Spoiler: Adam's Take on TFA pt 2

During the journey they have with Han, FN realizes and begins to plan capturing Han. He leaks movements and details via secret comms, at least as best he can since Chewie doesn't trust him or Rey. This doublecross is because the smuggler is a high priority target due to his past history and Ren wanting him personally. Remember, FN is still loyal to his masters for the most part, though he does feel bad about getting rey caught in.

But along the way, he begins to doubt the cause he believed in, due to a lot of the smuggling runs being getting provisions to worlds badly effected by the first order. He also really gets to know why Han is known as the thief with a heart of gold, since he includes FN from time to time when he's chatting with Rey, as he and Rey really grow into a mentor and student kind of relationship in a way. Hell, he actually grows closer to the rough and tough Chewie due to their shared love of weaponry too, and they play games of chess while on board. He grows to like these people, a form of Stockholm but really him breaking the brainwashing to a degree. He begins to show doubts, and so when they hit up Han's new boss Maz, he tries to run off so he can claim he didn't really know them as well as he thought, maybe go neutral.

This changes when the First Order busts in to arrest the entire hive of scum and villainy, courtesy of his leaks. Captain Phasma, his contact and superior officer congratulates him for the details, and promises a promotion in the future. So they are trapped now on Starkiller Base, a large prison that was designed off of the skeleton for another of Palpies Doomsday Weapons. Han and Chewie along with Rey are brought for questioning, and BB-8 is set to be dismantled so no one can know the true identity of Lord Snoke. FN is cheered by his bunkmates, and is even given a medal by Commander Hux, but he hates what he did.

He feels like he betrayed his friend Rey, as well as Han, who he began to see as a pretty cool guy. He then sets out after much soul searching to betray his old life and help his friends; it's the least he can do. He sneaks into the prison using his newfound promotion, and actually enters when Rey manages after a few times to Jedi Mind Trick the guard into letting her go and basically Greedo'ing him while he's still out of it. She also shoots at FN, before he tries to explain why he was here.

She doesn't believe him fully, but something insider her tells her to trust him on this, so she brings him at gunpoint to free Han and Chewie, along with BB-8.

Chewie almost rips his arm off and were it not for Rey trying to talk him and Han down, and Phasma cries out FN as a traitor, FN would be dead. The groups get into a gun fight, slowly but surely running to the dockyards of this prison. The discord among the group has to be on hold for now, survival is key and at least for the moment they can trust FN. Just when they are about to break out though? Kylo Ren finally arrives, saber in hand and commenting on how he should've expected this to happen... after all, his father was always a clever old scoundrel.

Han freezes and then says that his son Ben died ten years ago, alongside his brother in law Luke. Kylo Ren is no son to him. This causes Kylo to snap and choke everyone in an uncontrolled burst, enraged at the remark. He expounds that he was never really Han's son, given that he never had the courage to be his dad and be there for him or his mother when they needed him. He also shows a bit of bitterness for Leia too, since he also remarks that his mother was just as flawed... she left him on some barren spit of a world with her brother with minimal explanation, they abandoned him as much as they abandoned each other. This is the first time you see grief of any sort in the character, a reason why Kylo Ren became evil, and Han is visibly moved.

Han reaches out to him, since despite his own words, Kylo deep down is still his own son, but the motion causes the Ren to lash out and he kills Han in his unleashed emotion, a bolt of uncontrolled lightning. The room is silent. Han looks to his own son, light fading from his eyes, as he mouths that he forgives him, and Kylo begins to scream in anguish, his force powers lashing out and causing a major scene.

Rey is enraged and tapping into her own force powers on instinct, and Chewie roars in rage, ready to run up to Kylo and rip him apart with his own hands, and the two are only slapped out of it by FN, who comments that they need to LEAVE. The group manage to just barely get out of the prison, and crash deep into a jungle planet, which FN knows to be the world his unit trained for tropical warfare, and for which an insurgency against them was present. The group is despondent, and out of answers at the moment.

Part three will be whenever I have the drive to do it, but it is where they meet Leia and the climax. Then I can tell you how Last Jedi would go with this approach.

 

[Jub-Jub]

I don't know how Powerade compares to Gatorade, but eight 20-oz (600 mL) bottles of Gatorade can be had for around US$5.50. So for one of those overpriced $15 Powerade drinks, one could get 24 bottles of Gatorade.

Even if it was just cute names as @Jub-Jub suggested, that alone could provide more of a Star Wars/intergalactic feel for the menu items. Instead fans get bland names corresponding to equally bland food and drinks that could be had elsewhere in the park with less hassle. So much for making visitors feel like they're immersed in the Star Wars Universe.

I know you can get consumer versions of dehydrated sports drinks that you reconstitute with water and it's much cheaper than buying bottles of the liquid. For $5US you'd probably be able to make up to 10L and with a bulk deal I'd imagine that it would become significantly cheaper.

Didn't Disney spend a lot of time money and effort to improve their restaurants and food around the 2000s after years of negativity and complaints from customers? I'm pretty sure it was considered on the 'what's the deal with airplane food' level of garbage during the 90s and this really feels like they dived right back into that mindset.

 

[Zaryiu]

Am I the only one dying a little inside when I read "tastes like regular powerade, but it costs 10+ bucks" over and over again?
Some drinks might be interesting, but overall, they merely seemed to have focused on giving a regular drink some silly gimmick, like making it a weird color or putting some fruit pulp on top of it...

God, this is so sad.
Maybe I'm just reading too much into it, but this is... man.
This guy used to be so passionate about Luke, now he can't wait to get it over with.
I bet he's just so past fucking done with Star Wars, after they ruined his character out of pure spite and malice.
Poor Luke.
Poor Mark.
He deserved better.

Trying to dump off the refuse from dozens of companies it looks like in a blindness caused by greed cash grab.

The fact that Coke is now canon to Star Wars is peak failure at a brand. Doubly so since that vegan shit they're selling? Hilariously limits who can eat there since out of the group of people I know, several of them have soy allergies. They couldn't eat it if they tried. Not a single lick of creativity; no Falusian Ripper, a portabello dog on a rich non-wheat bun (maybe potato or bushbread). No cashew cheese ravioli (made of gnocchi dough) described as a Anarogi Pierogi just to pull some shit out of my buttcheeks.

Fuck it, let me go more into some ideas for TFA that've come to me, I need to direct this passion somewhere and palate cleanse. Let's get to wherever the story takes me:

Spoiler: Adam's Take on TFA pt 2

During the journey they have with Han, FN realizes and begins to plan capturing Han. He leaks movements and details via secret comms, at least as best he can since Chewie doesn't trust him or Rey. This doublecross is because the smuggler is a high priority target due to his past history and Ren wanting him personally. Remember, FN is still loyal to his masters for the most part, though he does feel bad about getting rey caught in.

But along the way, he begins to doubt the cause he believed in, due to a lot of the smuggling runs being getting provisions to worlds badly effected by the first order. He also really gets to know why Han is known as the thief with a heart of gold, since he includes FN from time to time when he's chatting with Rey, as he and Rey really grow into a mentor and student kind of relationship in a way. Hell, he actually grows closer to the rough and tough Chewie due to their shared love of weaponry too, and they play games of chess while on board. He grows to like these people, a form of Stockholm but really him breaking the brainwashing to a degree. He begins to show doubts, and so when they hit up Han's new boss Maz, he tries to run off so he can claim he didn't really know them as well as he thought, maybe go neutral.

This changes when the First Order busts in to arrest the entire hive of scum and villainy, courtesy of his leaks. Captain Phasma, his contact and superior officer congratulates him for the details, and promises a promotion in the future. So they are trapped now on Starkiller Base, a large prison that was designed off of the skeleton for another of Palpies Doomsday Weapons. Han and Chewie along with Rey are brought for questioning, and BB-8 is set to be dismantled so no one can know the true identity of Lord Snoke. FN is cheered by his bunkmates, and is even given a medal by Commander Hux, but he hates what he did.

He feels like he betrayed his friend Rey, as well as Han, who he began to see as a pretty cool guy. He then sets out after much soul searching to betray his old life and help his friends; it's the least he can do. He sneaks into the prison using his newfound promotion, and actually enters when Rey manages after a few times to Jedi Mind Trick the guard into letting her go and basically Greedo'ing him while he's still out of it. She also shoots at FN, before he tries to explain why he was here.

She doesn't believe him fully, but something insider her tells her to trust him on this, so she brings him at gunpoint to free Han and Chewie, along with BB-8.

Chewie almost rips his arm off and were it not for Rey trying to talk him and Han down, and Phasma cries out FN as a traitor, FN would be dead. The groups get into a gun fight, slowly but surely running to the dockyards of this prison. The discord among the group has to be on hold for now, survival is key and at least for the moment they can trust FN. Just when they are about to break out though? Kylo Ren finally arrives, saber in hand and commenting on how he should've expected this to happen... after all, his father was always a clever old scoundrel.

Han freezes and then says that his son Ben died ten years ago, alongside his brother in law Luke. Kylo Ren is no son to him. This causes Kylo to snap and choke everyone in an uncontrolled burst, enraged at the remark. He expounds that he was never really Han's son, given that he never had the courage to be his dad and be there for him or his mother when they needed him. He also shows a bit of bitterness for Leia too, since he also remarks that his mother was just as flawed... she left him on some barren spit of a world with her brother with minimal explanation, they abandoned him as much as they abandoned each other. This is the first time you see grief of any sort in the character, a reason why Kylo Ren became evil, and Han is visibly moved.

Han reaches out to him, since despite his own words, Kylo deep down is still his own son, but the motion causes the Ren to lash out and he kills Han in his unleashed emotion, a bolt of uncontrolled lightning. The room is silent. Han looks to his own son, light fading from his eyes, as he mouths that he forgives him, and Kylo begins to scream in anguish, his force powers lashing out and causing a major scene.

Rey is enraged and tapping into her own force powers on instinct, and Chewie roars in rage, ready to run up to Kylo and rip him apart with his own hands, and the two are only slapped out of it by FN, who comments that they need to LEAVE. The group manage to just barely get out of the prison, and crash deep into a jungle planet, which FN knows to be the world his unit trained for tropical warfare, and for which an insurgency against them was present. The group is despondent, and out of answers at the moment.

Part three will be whenever I have the drive to do it, but it is where they meet Leia and the climax. Then I can tell you how Last Jedi would go with this approach.

Imagine having Luke as the hero in the OT since you were a kid and thinking Mark is both a great guy and actor/voice actor then imagine how it feels to see that and everything they did to him. I sympathize with those who hav went through so much more shit that me: Poor Han fans.
Nice script

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

As far as I know about Coke, their deal is that Coca Cola-brand drinks be the main staple of the park's beverages and that Coke be officially made canon within the Star Wars fictional universe as a product manufactured on planet Batuu. As a side note, Wookieepedia is making the Coke article a featured article as a way to promote the drink since its no secret that Wikia FANDOM is a corporate sellout subservient to several companies including Disney (I've discussed this before and Wikia's corporate selling out like 300 pages back which is most evident in how they rebranded "The Unofficial Disney Wiki" to "The Disney Wiki" and started getting more ads). And while we're on the subject of coke, pictures of the bottle from promo material made them look pretty stylized while claiming these would be new custom bottles designed to "feel as though they were made in a Galaxy Far Far Away".

People online were even saying they looked like soda grenades. But as it turns out, these are not metal or customized in anyway outside of the cap, they're just leftover coke bottles from Disney's Christmas/Holiday events which are made to look like Christmas ball decorations but with a new rusty-looking label put on it that peels off as easily as any other coke bottle label.

They're mainly served at "Kat's Kettle" which is just a popcorn stand that I really didn't feel like it was worth talking about since its so pitiful, but if you guys want I'll talk about.

Oh god, this is so lame. Is everything in GE just a lazy recycling of leftovers from before?

So, how much you wanna bet Rey™ will refresh herself with an ice-cold Coca-Cola™ brand Cola™ sometime during IX™ .
I'll shit my pants if they have the gall to place a basket of these bottles in a scene as product placement.
Cause that's what Star Wars really needed all along: Product placement.

 

[Creep3r]

Just saw these and I thought they might be worth sharing.

According this one, Daisy Ridley won't be involved in the next trilogy and there are no future plans for her character.

Star Wars' Daisy Ridley Done? No Future Plans for Rey

It has been confirmed Daisy Ridley will not appear, even as a cameo in either of the next next trilogies and there is no future plans for her character. So t...

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Emo Ren's actor got harassed during a live show by a crazy fangirl who jumped on stage and started screaming his name and nu-fans are angry that Ren won't sign autographs.

https://twitter.com/Dataracer117/status/1144121679259394049

Media outlets are claiming the script for IX made Keri Russel (the girl playing Zorry Bliss) cry. Yeah, that really means a lot coming from her...

Star Wars Rise of Skywalker Script Made Keri Russell Cry! Disaster Ahead?

Star Wars Episode 9 The Rise of Skywalker has been the source of much speculation as alleged plot leaks have sprung up all over the Internet, but in this bit...

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Unsurprisingly, Disney fanatics are horny Twilight-tier freaks.

The Last Jedi is the HOTTEST Star Wars Movie, Says Nerdist

Does Star Wars make you all hot and bothered? Well it SHOULD, according to Nerdist and Jezebel. But which is the SEXXIEST Star Wars movie of them all? The La...

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And the third book in the filler-tier nu-Thrawn trilogy is set for July 23rd and will be titled Thrawn: Treason and will be about Thrawn choosing loyalty between his homeworld or the Empire, and judging from the Rebels cartoon, we all know how that ends. For those who don't know, the second book Thrawn: Alliances served as a tie in for Disney's shitty park which had Padme going to Batuu and visiting all the stores and eating at the bar while listing merch and menu items for easy advertisement while Thrawn tracked her and fought the nu-Vong. It doesn't really matter since these books only exist to keep milking gullible old fans of their money and trick them into thinking the original Thrawn Trilogy will still be canon even though that's almost impossible with all the changes and deaths that have been going on since Rebels. Anyway the book ends where his appearance in Rebels begins and we all know how that turned out for Thrawn, and Zahn has no creative freedom there since Thrawn's future is entirely up to what Filoni wants to do and Thrawn can't do anything that will interfere with the nu-trilogy or Wendig's book trilogy or upset Luke, Han and Leia's fall into irrelevancy and failure.

Also, a little while back, a friend and I were discussing Galaxy's Edge and he suggested that maybe the reason Disney was so quick to eliminate the old and familiar elements of SW and completely replace it with their donut steals was because FOX may have had some sort of control over SW like they did with the distribution rights of the OT, or that they would receive a cut of the profits and that's why Disney was so desperate to acquire FOX, but when they finally did get it, they had moved too far ahead with their plans that they couldn't backtrack now. For example: Galaxy's Edge, which is clearly isn't based on anything from any films or SW media and if something like the above is true, this would explain why its not familiar. Although I have my doubts about this. What do you all think? I'm not exactly well-versed in the legal mumbo regarding this, but was FOX actually getting anything from Disney and did they have control over anything else? Was Disney really so greedy as to delete everything that came before them just to keep all the profits for themselves?

Well enough of this bullshit as its time to finish discussing the drinks of Docking Bay 7.

This is Moof Juice.

Its also supposed to be a "m;lk drink" but it really isn't. Its a vegan alternative like the Bantha Milk, except it has no almonds and soy, instead its made from Simply-brand fruit punch, Simply-brand orange juice and pineapple juice. It tastes like watered down fruit punch. Lore states that its a milk fruit cocktail made from the m;lk of Moofs which are large reptilian bovines from Ki-Adi-Mundi's homeplanet of Cerea which appeared only once in the Vow of Justice comic from pre-Disney lore. For some reason Disney likes referencing Moofs a lot in dialogue and use the term "moof-drinker" a lot too, like in TFA and Solo, and its probably the most mentioned thing from the old EU. It costs $5.49.

This is Phatthro.

Its Gold Peak-brand unsweetened tea mixed with pear juice and Odwalla-brand lemonade. Its tastes like cheap powdered grape juice. Lore states its a popular drink from Coruscant. In pre-Disney canon, Phattro was actually a wine-like liquor that would appear infrequently in backgrounds of Filoni Wars whenever a character was in a bar. It costs $5.49 too.

This is Batuubucha Tea.

Its just this crap poured in a plastic cup. No mixing and it tastes shitty. Park lore says this drink is made from the buchani plant on Batuu (the planet the park is on). I don't know what a buchani plant is so I guess its some made up plant for the park, but there used to be a plant called Bachani in pre-Disney canon from Ithor which appeared briefly in KOTOR II. It costs the same as the other two. And with that, Docking Bay 7 is done.

 

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Even if it was just cute names as @Jub-Jub suggested, that alone could provide more of a Star Wars/intergalactic feel for the menu items. Instead fans get bland names corresponding to equally bland food and drinks that could be had elsewhere in the park with less hassle. So much for making visitors feel like they're immersed in the Star Wars Universe.

This is how you can tell the park had a bunch of people fucking with the design of it. Someone clearly wanted to make a fully immersive experience, maybe even incorporating bits of a LARP into it, hence the promotion for the park. Yet clearly they didn't get what they wanted, since somewhere along the way, Disney decided to cut every corner imaginable and turn the park into one of the most soulless messes imaginable. For instance, instead of something reasonable, like dressing up your Coke bottles as some alien drink and just winking at you on the side saying "yeah, it's Coke", they decide instead to make Coke a canon beverage in Star Wars, and to add insult to injury, repackage it in the Christmas ornament Coke bottles. How sad is that.

In the future, this park will be pointed to as one of the most corporate, soulless, and bland products imaginable.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

For instance, instead of something reasonable, like dressing up your Coke bottles as some alien drink and just winking at you on the side saying "yeah, it's Coke", they decide instead to make Coke a canon beverage in Star Wars, and to add insult to injury, repackage it in the Christmas ornament Coke bottles. How sad is that.

Coca-Cola paid good money for this, no doubt.
It's shameless and pathetic. People were annoyed by movies like Demolition Man, Eight Crazy Nights and Superman... but even these aren't as pathetic as this. They made Cola canon in Star Wars, even though it fits absolutely not the least bit.

But I am grateful, it showcases how this franchise is now being whored out.

According this one, Daisy Ridley won't be involved in the next trilogy and there are no future plans for her character.

Depending on the end, maybe she can't appear anywhere after IX. I halfway expect her to merge with the Force and becoming some transcended being. Cause that's how subtle SW nowadays is.

Media outlets are claiming the script for IX made Keri Russel (the girl playing Zorry Bliss) cry. Yeah, that really means a lot coming from her...

What is it with nuWars and them having some chucklefuck claim the new script moved them to tears?
First Kevin Smith, now this chick. The interview was analysed by Doomcock and he raised a few good points:
What the actress said sounds like the movie went through several iterations and they still aren't sure how it'll turn out, she even said she was fine with whatever part she'd end up with. This movie has finished filming some time ago and is now being put together in post. If you don't know what your part is going to be, that means the production is a fucking mess.

 

[vertexwindi]

Jesus, that Reylo fan. I'm surprised that anybody would call TLJ a "sexy" film though because the new trilogy lacks any kind of romantic or sexual tension, and I absolutely do not count Finn and Rose's "adventure" as having either.

 

[Oaat]

Since I saw some alternate plots get posted in this thread here's the ideas I bounced around with some family after seeing TLJ. It's based on the idea that the fleet should have just split up. The fact that the First Order not only rules the galaxy but apparently has been doing so for some time was never established but eh.

Spoiler

The Resistance fleet is tracked through hyperspace. They realize this and decide to split up in random directions and scatter throughout the galaxy. In one year the leadership will send an encoded hyperspace message across galaxy, and the surviving rebels will know in advance to listen in at a specific time and frequency, wherever they are, so that they can reform the resistance. The Resistance is being careful and making the reunion as hard as possible, so if anyone doesn't manage to listen in at the exact right time in a year there's a good chance that they'll never be able to rejoin. (Galaxy is big.)

Rei has a year to talk to Luke and learn about the force and it's history, while also secretly talking to Kylo Ren through the force and getting his perspective on everything. Finn tracks her down and eventually meets up as he originally intended. One of the ships will continue to be tracked by the First Order. Their story could involve a codebreaker character sneaking onto Snoke's ship, who betrays his ship because he has lost the feeling of there being any good sides in the conflict. Poe could possibly gain some notoriety on his own and become the leader of a local version of the resistance.

(I have no idea what the ending would be.)

Also, after watching Solo, I get the feeling that nuStarWars writers have no feel for the setting. They think that just because it's "fantasy" they can throw in whatever stupid shit they feel like. I.e. WWI trench warfare, modern day-style car chase, bullshit space storm with an Elder God living in it. Everyone loves to say that Star Wars is a fantasy in space like they're a genius for saying it, but the original trilogy wasn't completely fantastical. It was more of a really soft space-opera with some mystical elements.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Everyone loves to say that Star Wars is a fantasy in space like they're a genius for saying it, but the original trilogy wasn't completely fantastical. It was more of a really soft space-opera with some mystical elements.

While I agree with your post I have to point out that Star Wars, from the very first scene of the very first movie, was always a fantasy tale. Specifically, a fairy tale. Replace the word "galaxy" in the title crawl with "kingdom" and there you go.
Further aspects are, for instance, the presence of magic powers, the structure of good vs evil and the way how people react to their surroundings. For instance, people who meet talking animals or magical stuff happening in a fairy tale usually just go along with it, this behaviour is mirrored in the old Star Wars movies. Similarly, you have a character arc of some farmer becoming a rebell fighter, saving a princess (and a "kingdom").
Sure, it's not particularly smart to point out the similarities now that everyone else has done for 40+ years, but that doesn't make them any less valid.

Be that as it may, I like your idea for a plot.

With the beginning of TFA and the end of TLJ being mere days from one another, it's no surprise there is almost no development in that trilogy. Nothing has time to change from one thing to the other in reaction to what happened in the movies. It makes the whole thing feel like it rushes through the plot, never really dwelling on something and its effect on the characters.
And the strangest part about all this: With TLJs super boring space chase, it's not even like there's any tension building up. You have tension in TFA, but that quickly erodes in TLJ when after almost 2 hours you begin to wonder just how long they'll drag out that boring as piss chase scene where nothing ever happens and no feeling of urgency ever emerges.

 

[Muttnik]

Every now and then I stop to think about how much lost potential Rey has as a character. With just a little bit of tweaking and more playing up to character aspects like loneliness, insecurity, or doubt in herself, she could have easily become the strong female character Disney is slobbering over. There's no crime in having a female character start out completely weak and worthless and steadily working towards the top through hard work and determination.

Rey could have been really endearing had she just had some major flaws she was working on. Maybe she's cowardly and can't stand up for herself. Maybe she has potential but wastes her time being lazy or defeatist and has to be pushed out of her comfort zone. Maybe she's a massive rough around the edges bitch that has to learn to trust people. Any of those options would have worked. Instead we get an OP plank of wood that effortlessly plods her way through the story. Great. Lovely.

No one will give a shit about Rey after the ST is done. She could have been an Ellen Ripley and instead she ended up a...well, whatever the names of those Fembusters were.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Every now and then I stop to think about how much lost potential Rey has as a character. With just a little bit of tweaking and more playing up to character aspects like loneliness, insecurity, or doubt in herself, she could have easily become the strong female character Disney is slobbering over. There's no crime in having a female character start out completely weak and worthless and steadily working towards the top through hard work and determination.

Rey could have been really endearing had she just had some major flaws she was working on. Maybe she's cowardly and can't stand up for herself. Maybe she has potential but wastes her time being lazy or defeatist and has to be pushed out of her comfort zone. Maybe she's a massive rough around the edges bitch that has to learn to trust people. Any of those options would have worked. Instead we get an OP plank of wood that effortlessly plods her way through the story. Great. Lovely.

No one will give a shit about Rey after the ST is done. She could have been an Ellen Ripley and instead she ended up a...well, whatever the names of those Fembusters were.

It gives me solace that 30 years from now, kids will still dress up as Vader and Luke on Halloween, while no kid will wear a Rey or Emo Ren costume 3 years from now.

Even if they had made Rey shine, she'd still be caught in a terrible plot and improving her by rewrites would still mean the author is polishing a turd.
The ST in general could have been an amazing cinematic happening, it could have reunited some of the most iconic characters in movie history, but that never happened and there is only one reason for that: JJ knew his work is crap and if he had put Luke, Han and Leia in one scene, no one would have cared about his OCs.

It's one of my first comments in this thread:
Making a shitty trilogy is absolutely insignificant. There can be other SW movies in the future that can be awesome.
The real sin is not using the last opportunity to reunite our heroes and give them a decent chance to bow out in favor of the new guys.
Disney could still have these characters die, but at least don't make them look like utter losers or worse.