🌟 Internet Famous Jared Knabenbauer / ProJared / SinJared, Heidi O'Ferrall / AtelierHeidi & Holly Conrad / CommanderHolly - Divorce Fiasco, trashfire extraordinaire

Who is the most "specially gifted" member of the gang?

  • Jared

    Głosy: 1 129 36,8%
  • PBG

    Głosy: 620 20,2%
  • Holly

    Głosy: 754 24,6%
  • Heidi

    Głosy: 478 15,6%
  • Null

    Głosy: 1 391 45,3%
  • Ross

    Głosy: 165 5,4%
  • Nulyu

    Głosy: 52 1,7%

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We actually don't know this, it's only been an assumption. We only know of two times anything happened between Jared and Holly: February 2018, when Heidi was affirming it and allowed it to happen, and between October and December 2018. I don't remember who said it but Jared was trying to get a divorce around October 2018, and Heidi refused to let it happen. If you're actively trying to leave your wife and she won't let you, I don't really think you're cheating to begin a relationship with someone else. You're already done with the marriage and have made that clear. He may have realized Heidi was an abusive lunatic and Holly was who he really wanted to be with. Holly had only just divorced Ross too, and unless someone has other proof, we don't know of anything that happened between February and October.

I started to see if there was any evidence that they had, and was able to connect a few dots.

Jared says that he was trying to divorce Heidi in October, 2018, but Heidi was refusing to allow a divorce to happen:

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It's possible that Jared knew his relationship with Heidi wasn't healthy, and wanted to be with Holly. He decides to leave Heidi and she becomes hostile, taking his career and reputation hostage. That means the texts about DCA were probably in response to Jared trying to divorce Heidi, where you can see he's broken and desperate. I think the red name is Chris of DCA so she was clearly threatening to ruin him publicly if he didn't do what she told him to do. Jared doesn't look like the abuser here at all, he looks like the victim, and Heidi is threatening to ruin everything he's worked to achieve if he leaves her.

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Heidi's post about finding messages as proof that he was cheating, coincidentally, were from October to December, 2018. This would be after Jared tried to separate from Heidi and she began to hold his career hostage.

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Jared still was with Heidi in December 2018, probably trapped with his career still held hostage:

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Holly says the divorce was allowed only after Heidi obtained pictures and texts she could use as leverage for revenge. This was either the proof of Holly and Jared seeing eachother in October (after he tried to divorce her and she didn't let him), or the accusations of pedophilia which now have no proof.

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It really looks like Jared started getting closer to Holly after he started the separation process, which isn't cheating to me. He wanted to be done with Heidi and made that known. She began to threaten him and he may have stayed out of fear, because she was willing to ruin him, Holly, and everything they had worked on. Holly and Jared say he tried leaving multiple times, so he may have been looking for an amicable way to divorce her. When Heidi knew it would be more beneficial to get a divorce instead of staying with him, she finally leaves on Jared's dime, then posts on Facebook, making him look like the villain of this story, while he makes a very generic post not accusing anyone on Twitter. Heidi had to get in front of it and went on the attack. Call him the abusive gaslighter. Say he was cheating. Blame Holly for the divorce instead of accepting that threats don't make for a happy marriage. She knows that the mobs will form against him and we saw her get exactly what she threatened: He lost hundreds of thousands of subscribers, his position on DCA, even his twitter verified status. His career on youtube may never return, and his presence will be seen as toxic.

I feel bad for Jared. The worst crime he may be guilty of is wanting to leave an abusive, vindictive wife for someone that genuinely seems to care about him. She threatened to ruin him if he left her, and when he finally did, she called what she did a "public execution", while saying she's a survivor and victim and he's the abusive one. Heidi played everyone.

Holy shit.

So, you're suggesting that:

Jared wasn't trying to cheat, but his livelihood was being held hostage by his wife, which would explain
  • his "affair" with Holly, and give insight to
  • his soliciting fans for nudes/being horny with his fans, clearly being an escape from his abuse (however sus that was)?
 
We actually don't know this, it's only been an assumption. We only know of two times anything happened between Jared and Holly: February 2018, when Heidi was affirming it and allowed it to happen, and between October and December 2018. I don't remember who said it but Jared was trying to get a divorce around October 2018, and Heidi refused to let it happen. If you're actively trying to leave your wife and she won't let you, I don't really think you're cheating to begin a relationship with someone else. You're already done with the marriage and have made that clear. He may have realized Heidi was an abusive lunatic and Holly was who he really wanted to be with. Holly had only just divorced Ross too, and unless someone has other proof, we don't know of anything that happened between February and October.

I started to see if there was any evidence that they had, and was able to connect a few dots.

Jared says that he was trying to divorce Heidi in October, 2018, but Heidi was refusing to allow a divorce to happen:

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It's possible that Jared knew his relationship with Heidi wasn't healthy, and wanted to be with Holly. He decides to leave Heidi and she becomes hostile, taking his career and reputation hostage. That means the texts about DCA were probably in response to Jared trying to divorce Heidi, where you can see he's broken and desperate. I think the red name is Chris of DCA so she was clearly threatening to ruin him publicly if he didn't do what she told him to do. Jared doesn't look like the abuser here at all, he looks like the victim, and Heidi is threatening to ruin everything he's worked to achieve if he leaves her.

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Heidi's post about finding messages as proof that he was cheating, coincidentally, were from October to December, 2018. This would be after Jared tried to separate from Heidi and she began to hold his career hostage.

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Jared still was with Heidi in December 2018, probably trapped with his career still held hostage:

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Holly says the divorce was allowed only after Heidi obtained pictures and texts she could use as leverage for revenge. This was either the proof of Holly and Jared seeing eachother in October (after he tried to divorce her and she didn't let him), or the accusations of pedophilia which now have no proof.

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It really looks like Jared started getting closer to Holly after he started the separation process, which isn't cheating to me. He wanted to be done with Heidi and made that known. She began to threaten him and he may have stayed out of fear, because she was willing to ruin him, Holly, and everything they had worked on. Holly and Jared say he tried leaving multiple times, so he may have been looking for an amicable way to divorce her. When Heidi knew it would be more beneficial to get a divorce instead of staying with him, she finally leaves on Jared's dime, then posts on Facebook, making him look like the villain of this story, while he makes a very generic post not accusing anyone on Twitter. Heidi had to get in front of it and went on the attack. Call him the abusive gaslighter. Say he was cheating. Blame Holly for the divorce instead of accepting that threats don't make for a happy marriage. She knows that the mobs will form against him and we saw her get exactly what she threatened: He lost hundreds of thousands of subscribers, his position on DCA, even his twitter verified status. His career on youtube may never return, and his presence will be seen as toxic.

I feel bad for Jared. The worst crime he may be guilty of is wanting to leave an abusive, vindictive wife for someone that genuinely seems to care about him. She threatened to ruin him if he left her, and when he finally did, she called what she did a "public execution", while saying she's a survivor and victim and he's the abusive one. Heidi played everyone.

This is why I was asking if he was innocent. It seems like everything levied against him fell off, but the actual damage is done, while his accusations against Heidi seem to stand and be substantiated at certain points. From the Sailor Troon shit to dick pics, he's fucked, and that's because of Heidi & company. They decided to "expose" him, but they really violated that man. Dude got Toby Turner'd
 
Holy shit.

So, you're suggesting that:

Jared wasn't trying to cheat, but his livelihood was being held hostage by his wife, which would explain
  • his "affair" with Holly, and give insight to
  • his soliciting fans for nudes/being horny with his fans, clearly being an escape from his abuse (however sus that was)?

The first point, yes. We only know of two times where Holly and Jared had an affair: February 2018, with proof that Heidi allowed it, and October to December 2018, which came after Jared said he wanted to separate from his wife and obviously had good reason to want out. It's not unusual for a victim of an abusive relationship to fall for the person that "saves them". So when he realized he had feelings for Holly, she probably became the biggest support he had, while Heidi was using him and his fame and money.

The second, I don't think so. I think his interactions with fans were something that both were OK with and they didn't originally have much weight on the marriage. We don't know when the relationship opened or why it did in the first place, but it was allowed for years. Fame makes people do stupid things. He probably was getting a lot of attention, Heidi used it as a way to open the relationship up while still keeping him around. I haven't seen anything that shows that as an escape, so I think it was just Jared enjoying the fame as long as everything was consensual. Holly was a different situation, she was there to be more than a sexual escape. She genuinely seems to care about him and reading those messages, Jared may have stayed with Heidi to protect Holly. He even said that he was worried Heidi would hurt the people he cared about, and Heidi made it a point to call out Holly and even shame her. Holly was his escape from the abusive marriage, and when he finally had the courage to end it with Heidi, she threatened to (and then succeeded in) ruining both of their lives and sent the internet on the warpath against them.
 
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At this point I'm genuinely starting to swing back towards being okay with Jared. I'm definitely going to at least bring up this evidence to anyone I see insulting him. Is he perfect? Hell no. He was an idiot for getting pervy with fans, and he definitely deserves a bit of heat for that. But thus far he's actually handled things pretty well. When he spoke at CoxCon he mentioned having been to an internet detox camp before, so he's probably been doing something similar in this scenario. If he brings out more decent video content, I'll actually watch it with an open mind.
 
Holly making Etika's suicide all about herself
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Eh, I'm going to be frank, I do feel bad for Holly after reading all of the timeline. She was trying to help someone she cares about, and now everyone is calling her a whore and homewrecker, when the reality is drastically different then when we first assumed, so I think she gets some benefit of the doubt that she's being genuine here. She's also not asking people to donate to her, she's just trying to empathize with the situation, which I don't find anything really wrong with.
 
For starters, yeah. Holly can empathize with being harassed to the point you want to kill yourself. On the other hand, she really, really, REALLY needs to stop bringing it back up, especially right now. Maybe in a week or two it might not have been as crass to draw a link between Etika and herself, but today it's just capitalizing on tragedy for self gain.

Does she really want to be a less fat, more female Boogie?

Also, a direct link and an archive.

BTW, here's what Heidi retweeted:

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Also, obligatory fuck you to Heidi, you psychotic bitch. If Holly shouldn't talk about parallels between herself and Etika, you especially don't get to talk in any way about it when you orchestrated mass harassment against two people based on half truths and whole lies which could have resulted in at least two people killing themselves.
 
Eh, I'm going to be frank, I do feel bad for Holly after reading all of the timeline. She was trying to help someone she cares about, and now everyone is calling her a whore and homewrecker, when the reality is drastically different then when we first assumed, so I think she gets some benefit of the doubt that she's being genuine here. She's also not asking people to donate to her, she's just trying to empathize with the situation, which I don't find anything really wrong with.

I agree, you can see the amount of hate and aggression she sees just in the responses to her tweets. Holly tried to save a person she deeply cared about while he was trapped in a marriage he couldn't end without his wife purposely going out of her way to ruin him. I think everyone is still a little trigger happy towards her and she can't even make a casual post without dozens of hateful messages claiming she is a whore, a cheater, she should kill herself, she is defending a pedophile, etc. Unless there are other tweets, she isn't wrong about anything she said, and that kind of constant hate and aggression would be enough to fuck with anyone. She only seems to want understanding, which she didn't get much of so far.
 
“Boo hoo, people are calling me out for being a shit person so let me do just that by using MUH MENTAL ILLNESS to excuse my behavior!”

Fuck this piece of shit.
At this point I fail to see what makes her a shit person, what she's saying isn't a lie. Did Etika's mental illness excuse him punching a cop? If she also suffers from mental illness and people harassing her over lies, I don't see how talking about her experience hurts anyone.
 
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