🌟 Internet Famous Jared Knabenbauer / ProJared / SinJared, Heidi O'Ferrall / AtelierHeidi & Holly Conrad / CommanderHolly - Divorce Fiasco, trashfire extraordinaire

[The Pink Panther]

I just looked for those attachments but seems that Holly deleted the second statement about admitting Ross knew and agreed to an open relationship. Did anyone archive this??

Yeah, someone did on the last page.

thankfully, someone did archive it
https://archive.fo/nRJLM

 

[Shady Attorney]

Yeah, someone did on the last page.

I should have clarified I meant the second statement:
“Yes he did. He just wants left out of this. Please respect that”
That one has her definitively telling a user that her and Ross were in an open relationship while together unless I’m exceptional and don’t know how to pull it up on that archive

 

[Colmerry]

More plot thickening. Had Ross actually agreed to an open marriage?

She has tweeted something similar before:

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I cannot take Holly's word on anything. Her privating her Twitter account and deleting tweets while private was more than enough to make me not believe a word she says.

Edit: Oops, I just realized this is the same tweet. The point still stands, though.

 

[driveron/please]

Reposted that image of the non-archived tweet from lolcow. But i just confirmed the tweet @her from the user is real, and was made 14hours ago atm

 

[Sable13]

I don't have the time to keep up with this thread but I'm just going to throw my 2 cents in about Heidi. Just to powerlevel a bit, I have been emotionally abused before, I know what they talk like and how they think. That is to say, Heidi is, from what I have seen, most likely an emotional abuser. There are a few things I can draw this from.

Spoiler: Analyzing Heidi's Responses and Behaviors

Most importantly to remember, most abusers do not think they are abusers and are actually victims, that any emotional turmoil they have caused is justified because they may be feeling upset. We have seen some of this in Heidi saying that while those screenshots of her being abusive are confirmed to be real, she was pushed to that point and that gives her an excuse to treat the people around her as such.

Also, she claims to be wanting to move on with her life, yet if she has an opportunity to take potshots, she most definitely will take them. We saw this when she essentially publically posted blackmail and criticized the supposed nudes of holly she has, calling her insecure, and when called out on it, claimed it was her right to do so to the woman who "intentionally" sabotaged their marriage, and when the person backed down, she softened her tone a bit but still called Holly "despicable."

Going back with wanting to move on, every time Jared or Holly posted something, she gets mad at them for speaking up and "dragging her back in." This is CLASSIC emotional abuser. "I've already moved past it, why can't you? YOU'RE the bad one for bringing it up and upsetting ME." She also pulled a bit of a clawshrimpy, and claims that since they're speaking out to her allegations at all, they shouldn't because they have a bigger audience and they have to be accountable for every person who follows them, so they should have just shut up.

Nail in the coffin for me? The tweets where she says that when asked how she could improve and all Jared could reply with is "you make me anxious," and then laments the fact that despite her trying SO HARD to love him. In my experience, if you don't give a vague answer, tell the truth, list every actual thing they could do to improve, they are far more likely to get upset and blow up at you and subject you to more torture. And then, a question like that puts you on the spot, sometimes there's too many things. And then, the fact that she says that she's the only one putting in any effort at all, is something that emotional abusers like to say to make them feel better and morally superior.

In conclusion, I am not excusing any supposed actions of Jared or Holly, but Heidi is definitely not some poor abused housewife like she would lead you to believe. Her narrative never sat right with me, and while the nudes kind of ran with Heidi's intial allegation, we all pulled a rookie mistake. Heidi never ponied up any proof of claimed texts or conversations she supposedly had, and only put up a few when Holly backed her into a corner. And even then, those were screenshots from HER phone, not the conversations she says she has from Jared's phone between him and Holly.

Don't trust her.

Pretty much everything you said has been bothering me this whole time. As time goes on, it's kind of seeming like Heidi didn't have much (or any) evidence that would actually help her in court. It's possible that Jared (and his lawyer) could have used texts he had to both show she was approving of an open relationship and is bat-shit-crazy. I bet a lot of her "supposed" breaking off the open relationship was said in person (if said at all). I could see her posting her initial statement, saying she has "receipts", was an attempt to fish for more evidence. She admitted to knowing about Jared's interactions with fans and either 1. took a chance that some of them were underage, which is easy to assume knowing Tumblr's users and Jared's fanbase or 2. already knew about the inappropriate interactions with fans (possibly even the under-age ones.)

I haven't been emotionally abused personally, but I am friends with people who have (and who have been in actual abusive relationships.) Heidi's reactions and responses don't line up with what I've witnessed among friends (though I will agree that people respond differently to situations and it could be her way of coping.) That being said, Holly's responses in the texts actually read more like how my friends would respond, fuck, I responded similarly to one of my friends abusive, controlling ex-husband. Being agreeable, admitting guilt (even if it's a lie), and complimenting the abuser can be an attempt to calm down them so that they don't escalate the situation further and you can keep contact with the person being abused. Taking blame for things, keeping the attention on yourself can help your friend from getting a worst punishment.

I could be completely wrong, that's always a possibility, but I hadn't seen a whole lot of people talk about being in abusive relationships or seeing loved ones go through it and how they and the abuser acted during the events. Also, don't take this as me trying to excuse any of their actions or as me trying to shift all the blame on one person, I'm absolutely not trying to do that. They all deserve blame, each one of them is guilty, I just hate seeing Heidi made into a fucking saint when it's very obvious she's not.

 

[driveron/please]

Did more digging, looks pretty legit. Still no archive, but someone responded to hollys post before she deleted it and its still up. So Holly's official stance is that Ross agreed to an open relationship, but she deleted it shortly after. The same day Ross said he's taking a mental health break from streaming.

Twitter

archived 23 May 2019 06:43:34 UTC

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Just in case

Edit: Stand corrected, ross posted the mental health break thing a few days ago

 

[Sable13]

The same day Ross said he's taking a mental health break from streaming.

Ross actually announced he was taking a mental health break on his Patreon on May 20th and just announced it on his Twitter today.

See this post:

Holly needs to shut her fucking mouth already. Pretty sure that Ross is getting hounded because this announcement was posted yesterday on his Patreon. Good for him taking a break from all this shit but the timing is just awful. How can she say she respects his decision to stay away from this drama yet keep answering questions about Ross? The amount of mental gymnastics Holly goes through just to justify herself is absolutely nuts.

 

[driveron/please]

Ross actually announced he was taking a mental health break on his Patreon on May 20th and just announced it on his Twitter today.

See this post:

Gotcha, lost track of the dates with that one. Though I just found something else interesting, Holly no longer follows Ross on Twitter, even though Ross still follows her. She and Jared still follow eachother of course, but weirdly Jared still follows Ross even though Ross doesnt follow him.

 

[CeleryBread]

I'm Purple on Twitter: "That's a scam.… "

archived 23 May 2019 08:08:46 UTC

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Allison the Contrarian on Twitter: "She a friend of the ex-wife & wan…

archived 23 May 2019 08:05:44 UTC

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What is going on here???

 

[Son of Sparda 84]

I don't know every single bit of this fiasco. Is it safe to say everyone is horribly in the wrong except Ross?

 

[soryu]

I'm Purple on Twitter: "That's a scam.… "

archived 23 May 2019 08:08:46 UTC

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Allison the Contrarian on Twitter: "She a friend of the ex-wife & wan…

archived 23 May 2019 08:05:44 UTC

archive.li

What is going on here???

They're saying Charlie is also friends with Heidi, which I don't know why they think that means scam. A handful of people who happen to have exchanged nudes with Jared via Tumblr were also friends with Heidi. Kittie is one of them.
The Allison person in the second link types like English isn't their first language and the person with the Grimace icon only made those two tweets. Fuckin' weird.

 

[Sicko Hunter]

 

[vertexwindi]

I don't know every single bit of this fiasco. Is it safe to say everyone is horribly in the wrong except Ross?

Yes. Everyone involved except Ross is awful confirmed.

Moomin brings up a good point that kept bugging me throughout all this, namely Heidi claiming to just wanna move on yet she keeps dragging herself back into the drama when nobody's forcing her. It's so transparent.

 

[Slamerella]

Heidi never ponied up any proof of claimed texts or conversations she supposedly had, and only put up a few when Holly backed her into a corner.

This is what's been bothering me from the start. There was a tweet where she said she had no reason to provide proof "because the internet provided the proof for her." At least it's not batshit insane to come to that conclusion that she has skeletons in her closet from that statement alone, than the odd theory my friends made that "SinJared was not Jared and Heidi's doing to set up a four year long nude sharing ring because he uses his name and face." Stupid, yes, but at the same time, it'd be super interesting to think that it wasn't him, which I doubt it wasn't.

 

[driveron/please]

I don't know every single bit of this fiasco. Is it safe to say everyone is horribly in the wrong except Ross?

Considering Hollys now deleted tweets, either Ross and Holly had an open relationship by febuary 2018 or the dudes ex-wife of what, 6 years just lied about him being ok with sharing her.

In either case his ex wife of 6 years said she never felt sexual feelings until her walk with fucking Harvey Birdman himself Projared so...thats gotta suck

 

[Colmerry]

Considering Hollys now deleted tweets, either Ross and Holly had an open relationship by febuary 2018 or the dudes ex-wife of what, 6 years just lied about him being ok with sharing her.

In either case his ex wife of 6 years said she never felt sexual feelings until her walk with fucking Harvey Birdman himself Projared so...thats gotta suck

But why are you believing Holly? There's tons of proof that Holly is nuts and lying, but the only evidence that Ross knew is an account from Holly with little to no evidence.

Edit:
Sorry, I should be more clear. I mean why would you believe Holly.

I think I misread the post or something. I'm just a very tired retard who can barely keep his eyes open, and I will now go to sleep

 

[sharklasers]

But why are you believing Holly? There's tons of proof that Holly is nuts and lying, but the only evidence that Ross knew is an account from Holly with little to no evidence.

Edit:
Sorry, I should be more clear. I mean why would you believe Holly.

A few pages back I pointed out that if Ross knew, it would make a lot of puzzle pieces fit and the story makes more sense. No one has ever claimed he didn't know or did know and didn't agree to it. She could still be lying but with everything it would confirm from Jared, Holly, and even Heidi, I think they did have an open relationship and she wasnt cheating. She left him for Jared but what they were doing before that would have been allowed.

 

[Spunt]

Yes. Everyone involved except Ross is awful confirmed.

This is why I like these new revelations so much. At first we only thought there was one idiot involved. Now it turns out there are at least three. This just gets funnier and funnier.

 

[everythingisawkward999]

At this point, this whole marriage talk doesn’t matter anymore to me. Holly’s a clown, Heidi was gaslit to insanity and made dumb decisions, everyone here sucks one way or another sans Ross. I’m gonna go fuck off for a while until updates involving the naked pictures fiasco come out.

 

[Dickxon]

Well, I only wanted to follow this to laugh at Jared memes at the beginning, but seeing how everyone involved was a shithead, let's face the one true moral of this tale:
These much-touted "Open relationships" don't work. "Open marriages" work even less. If you can't make a committment, don't have a relationship.
Or, to make it short and quotable:

Open relationships aren't relationships, they are relationship roleplay.