🌟 Internet Famous Jared Knabenbauer / ProJared / SinJared, Heidi O'Ferrall / AtelierHeidi & Holly Conrad / CommanderHolly - Divorce Fiasco, trashfire extraordinaire

[InfamyBrah]

a lack of any talents (well, she can make some pretty clothes, I guess; but I wouldn't call her an "artist" and I certainly wouldn't call cosplay to be talent of any sort) and qualification to provide any sort of advice.

She's an hysteric bitch, but she's an artist and she has a talent, no doubt. Making cosplay might seem ridiculous, but it's hard to make good ones. You need proper sewing techniques, be good with crafting a vast amount of materials, have an eye for good fabric and such. It requires skills.

Everyone can do a carboard cosplay or put clothes that vaguely looks like the character you cosplay, but crafting decent cosplay is hard to do and so far, she's seem quite decent at it.

With that said, being good at something isn't enough. Being good at something and fucking with someone famous might seems like a better combo, which was Heidi's case.

 

[KrewlKween]

- Primary partner is #1, meaning if they aren't comfortable with something for any reason, it stops. A secondary relationship should never impact a primary one.

That was the entire point Heidi was trying to make when people came at her on Twitter when she confirmed Jared's poly accusation. She suggested the poly relationship first for sure, but as soon as she saw that Jared couldn't handle the rules and thought poly meant "fuck literally anyone whenever and you don't need to talk to your primary partner about it" she said nope, this isn't for us. Was it dumb of her to open it up in the first place? Yeah it was. Did Jared still fuck it up and cheat when the relationship was no longer open? He sure did.

 

[Tanner Glass]

That was the entire point Heidi was trying to make when people came at her on Twitter when she confirmed Jared's poly accusation. She suggested the poly relationship first for sure, but as soon as she saw that Jared couldn't handle the rules and thought poly meant "fuck literally anyone whenever and you don't need to talk to your primary partner about it" she said nope, this isn't for us. Was it dumb of her to open it up in the first place? Yeah it was. Did Jared still fuck it up and cheat when the relationship was no longer open? He sure did.

Even if it was her idea, I would not be surprised if it was her idea as a result of Jared cheating and her wanting to try and fix the relationship.

Heidi's problems (like most cows, ironically) could have been fixed with some spine.

EDIT - If that's true (and I'm just assuming) - it's worth nothing that converting a cheater to polyamory is considered a really bad move even in die hard polyamory circles.

 

[MahFibro!]

Even if it was her idea, I would not be surprised if it was her idea as a result of Jared cheating and her wanting to try and fix the relationship.

Heidi's problems (like most cows, ironically) could have been fixed with some spine.

Unfortunately, that's not always as easy at it sounds. Sometimes, people need a slap in the face to finally make them put their foot down and take action.

 

[Haramburger]

Jessica's Archived Meltdown at Heidi
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Jessica's Reply Tweets

Based high-quality capture. I found it interesting that Jessica was still so defensive of Holly, considering how they've grown apart since their TV/cosplay days. I almost want to re-watch the series just to see if Ross or Jared show up at any of the home shots they did(a few scenes where in interview they're having Star Trek cosplay at a home birthday and there's a bunch of friends and family milling about).

The following Jared non-apology and Heidi firing back has been great. Everyone involved is exceptional, but Jared's clearly the worse partner in the relationship and more manipulative than Heidi. It seems like Heidi is just heated from Jared lying through his teeth and I can forgive it; any "polyamory" talk is just inexperienced kids trying to be swingers/keep a marriage flexible without using boomer language. It's as dumb as swinging, and none of them get it because it's talked up on social media as the progressive thing to do even though it never works. Heidi's not a naive, innocent maiden in this relationship breakdown but she's reacting humanely and predictably; Jared is the pathological liar and obfuscating the truth in both interactions and his silence in between. I'm open to being proven wrong in 30+ pages, but until I see better evidence I believe Heidi was the one trying to make the marriage work and Jared was the slavering wolf in Grandma's clothes luring in little Red Riding Hoods. Literally.

Someone also mentioned this thread had 1 million+ views, where do you see that activity? Sounds neat.

 

[keylimepie]

Most people lie to themselves and don't think anyone is going to catch feelings. While I'm sure there are a few that work, and I do mean few; I'm willing to bet the participants are sociopaths or have some other behavioral disorder where they literally don't think of each other, but choose to stay together for other reasons. People may dress it up in cute words and ideas like consent and communication; but the numbers don't lie, an open relationship of any kind isn't stable, especially when it comes to emotions.

I have a friend who has been in a Poly marriage since she got married 14 years ago. It can work, you just need communication. I think cases like Jared and Heidi are different from my friend though, because going poly to "save a marriage" seems..... completely illogical. My friend knew she was poly before getting married, and so did her husband. That is why it works. They also have rules that they follow, such as not bringing their partners into their home (to keep that their own personal space) or if they wish to stay the night out, they need to ask for permission first, etc. They have open communication and they don't worry about "catching feelings and leaving each other" because they are best friends and happy together. Also, they have "caught feelings" for their partners, and openly admit it, it is just that they classify it differently from how they feel about one another.

 

[AbbleDabble]

friend

You can just tell us you cuck your husband, we're all friends here.

 

[sharklasers]

Unfortunately, that's not always as easy at it sounds. Sometimes, people need a slap in the face to finally make them put their foot down and take action.

Not easy to walk away when your hand is that deep in his bank account., and your fame is propped up by his.

 

[Shady Attorney]

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Your friend is happy with their partner because it’s convenient to be able to screw around with multiple people while having someone you can go home to and not worry about looking like a degenerate. The idea that polyamory works because they tell each other when they catch feelings for others is beyond exceptional.

“Hey honey, remember that person I told you about? I really caught feelings for them. I know! Me being able to tell you that means we are so great together!”
It’s not like they know they can’t leave their partner for the person they’re sleeping with because choosing someone who’s okay with sleeping with a married person isn’t a good character trait. No, it’s definitely not that.

Cant wait to see your friend’s post on r/polyamory about how the relationship just couldn’t work out for some reason.
Now let’s try to keep this thread about ProJared’s fiasco and not our personal lives.

 

[KrewlKween]

I almost want to re-watch the series just to see if Ross or Jared show up at any of the home shots they di

Ross did for sure I remember it. Not often or really spoken about though. I don't think Jared was a close friend with either Ross or Holly in 2012/2013.

 

[MahFibro!]

Not easy to walk away when your hand is that deep in his bank account., and your fame is propped up by his.

Not everything comes down to a bank account/popularity; and it's rather narrow minded to assume that's the main reason Heidi stuck around as long as she had.

 

[InfamyBrah]

I have a friend who has been in a Poly marriage since she got married 14 years ago. It can work, you just need communication. I think cases like Jared and Heidi are different from my friend though, because going poly to "save a marriage" seems..... completely illogical. My friend knew she was poly before getting married, and so did her husband. That is why it works. They also have rules that they follow, such as not bringing their partners into their home (to keep that their own personal space) or if they wish to stay the night out, they need to ask for permission first, etc. They have open communication and they don't worry about "catching feelings and leaving each other" because they are best friends and happy together. Also, they have "caught feelings" for their partners, and openly admit it, it is just that they classify it differently from how they feel about one another.

Just so you know, we're all "poly". If I had the choice, I'd fuck 100 of new women each year while still being engage to my wife and it's basically the case for everyone who's not a liar. Marriage is about two people giving up their "poly"-side to commit to eachothers. It's a sacrifice you make. You sacrifice your rights to fuck every person you want and in exchange you have a companion for life that owe you the same. No "communication" will ever sold the fact that marriage is two people commited to eachothers. That's how it worked for centuries in our western societies and that's what we built those societies on. There's a reason for that.

Trying to have both benefits of marriage, with the benefit of not being engaged is one of the stupidest idea I've ever read and one of the reason our generation is considered retarded and entitled. How do you build a society on that ? I can feel the clusterfuck from here, just imagining it. Name me one powerful and developped society who built its structure around poly-marriage ?

We want good jobs with shit degrees, we want to eat junk food while staying healthy and now we have people who want to be married without being engaged... What's next ? Changing the sex you were born with ?

 

[sharklasers]

Not everything comes down to a bank account/popularity; and it's rather narrow minded to assume that's the main reason Heidi stuck around as long as she had.

I never said it was the main reason. It's rather narrow minded to look at this situation and think that money/fame didn't have anything to do with it. Otherwise, why would you open the relationship instead of leaving? Why would you stay when you find out your husband is getting intimate with someone's non-poly wife? She even admitted that whenever she was upset, he'd buy her forgiveness. May not have been the main reason, but it was a reason.

 

[MahFibro!]

I never said it was the main reason. It's rather narrow minded to look at this situation and think that money/fame didn't have anything to do with it. Otherwise, why would you open the relationship instead of leaving? Why would you stay when you find out your husband is getting intimate with someone's non-poly wife? She even admitted that whenever she was upset, he'd buy her forgiveness. May not have been the main reason, but it was a reason.

And I'm not saying it wouldn't have played a part; I'm just saying there are more reasons than just a bank account that keeps people in a toxic relationship.

 

[Carnavoyeur]

I never said it was the main reason. It's rather narrow minded to look at this situation and think that money/fame didn't have anything to do with it. Otherwise, why would you open the relationship instead of leaving? Why would you stay when you find out your husband is getting intimate with someone's non-poly wife? She even admitted that whenever she was upset, he'd buy her forgiveness. May not have been the main reason, but it was a reason.

People are selfish, emotional idiots. I don't know anyone who has broken up with someone after the first incident of cheating, especially women. They think it was just a one-time mistake, or they can find a way to fix the relationship or the person, or there's something about them that's not satisfying the other person, or they just don't want to let go of a person. "Opening" a relationship as an option to try and fix what's broken has been en vogue since the 1970s. But people are too stupid to be able to separate their brains from their genitalia and realize that shit rarely, if ever works.

 

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She pays good money to a therapist just to go onto Twitter afterwards for more therapy/validation. I don't want to see her tits anymore. Heidi should just kill herself.

 

[Bambi Sammich]

I will never understand poly. In a poly relationship you automatically give up trust just by letting a third wheel in.

If it was actually compatible with normal human behavior why isn't everyone poly and if there's a "primary" partner well that's just a safety corner you can run to when other relationships don't work out. So yeah all I'm getting out of this is "fuck whoever you want as long as I get the legal rights that come with marriage lol".

I know this isn't a poly bashing thread and there are far more nefarious things going on so I won't talk about poly again. It's not necessarily about Projared.

To swing the conversation back to Jared...So one of these former under aged fans is taking him to court? Has Jared said anything? At all? Actually going from what I have seen from the KickVic fiasco. May be best that he keeps his mouth shut for now.

 

[Archeopthryx]

She stuck around for that dick. Everyone knows this.

 

[Medicated]

I will never understand poly. In a poly relationship you automatically give up trust just by letting a third wheel in.

If it was actually compatible with normal human behavior why isn't everyone poly and if there's a "primary" partner well that's just a safety corner you can run to when other relationships don't work out. So yeah all I'm getting out of this is "fuck whoever you want as long as I get the legal rights that come with marriage lol".

I know this isn't a poly bashing thread and there are far more nefarious things going on so I won't talk about poly again. It's not necessarily about Projared.

Well marriage already has a 70% divorce rate, maybe if we add some extra rules but you can bang whoever, but I have to investigate each partner beforehand, AND you aren't allowed to catch the feels, that will lower the divorce rate. Idiots.

 

[keylimepie]

Hey, at least 14 years is longer than most non-poly marriages last these days.