Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[RumblyTumbly]

I'm actually going to be seeing Timothy Zahn at a book signing in a few weeks.

Last time I met him, he was actually pretty unkind to The Force Awakens. He didn't rant and rave, but he pointed out things wrong with it that most people hadn't picked up on yet. Actually, he might be the only person that pointed out that "At the beginning of the movie, Kylo can stop a powerful laser blast with the force....at the end of the movie, he gets shot by Chewie. Why the inconsistency?". Granted, there was the explanation in the books I believe that Kylo killing Han actually weakened him when he thought it would make him stronger, but that wasn't made clear in the movie.

He also tooted his own horn a bit (to the fans' delight) that Grand Admiral Thrawn would have a field day pushing all of Kylo's buttons.

I wonder what he'll have to say about everything that's happened since then with Rogue One, The Last Jedi, and Solo?

 

[Flexo]

I'm actually going to be seeing Timothy Zahn at a book signing in a few weeks.

Last time I met him, he was actually pretty unkind to The Force Awakens. He didn't rant and rave, but he pointed out things wrong with it that most people hadn't picked up on yet. Actually, he might be the only person that pointed out that "At the beginning of the movie, Kylo can stop a powerful laser blast with the force....at the end of the movie, he gets shot by Chewie. Why the inconsistency?". Granted, there was the explanation in the books I believe that Kylo killing Han actually weakened him when he thought it would make him stronger, but that wasn't made clear in the movie.

He also tooted his own horn a bit (to the fans' delight) that Grand Admiral Thrawn would have a field day pushing all of Kylo's buttons.

I wonder what he'll have to say about everything that's happened since then with Rogue One, The Last Jedi, and Solo?

I'd love it if you could film him and post it.

Tell him there is a rebellion here that still supports him.

 

[Red Hood]

Leia Sue. Just when I didn't think it could get any more pathetic.

It really is sad because Leia was a pretty good character before- someone that we liked, but who also had flaws (mostly being a hothead, which she was clearly improving on by the end of Jedi).

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

It really is sad because Leia was a pretty good character before- someone that we liked, but who also had flaws (mostly being a hothead, which she was clearly improving on by the end of Jedi).

Yeah, she was a sassy yet likeable person that was neither easily intimidated nor was she a passive damsel during her rescue.
In the animated short, she looks like she's annoyed that someone came to rescue her whereas in the original, she's actually taunting a Storm Trooper while being held prisoner.
Her "Aren't you a little short for being a Storm Trooper?" is more badass than her BLASTER FIRING STRONK WOMYN WARRIOR shenanigans in the animated short... which is quite a shame, some snippets do look kinda neat visually.

 

[Red Hood]

Yeah, she was a sassy yet likeable person that was neither easily intimidated nor was she a passive damsel during her rescue.
In the animated short, she looks like she's annoyed that someone came to rescue her whereas in the original, she's actually taunting a Storm Trooper while being held prisoner.
Her "Aren't you a little short for being a Storm Trooper?" is more badass than her BLASTER FIRING STRONK WOMYN WARRIOR shenanigans in the animated short... which is quite a shame, some snippets do look kinda neat visually.

The main trio of heroes have a pretty strong arc of who they are at the beginning of A New Hope vs the end of ROTJ. Luke was always generally a kind-hearted altruist, but he's matured out of his impatience and impulsiveness by the end of ROTJ. Han has gone from a self-centered mercenary to someone willing to lead a commando team into enemy territory. Leia has moved from being brash bordering on reckless (backtalking Vader and Tarkin, of course, probably made her time on the Death Star worse) to being a confident and competent leader.

Why mess with that?

 

[Absolutego]

Dang it I keep falling behind. Did anybody post the nuLeia vs Leia classic comparison video yet? (apologies if I'm late)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=W-31rMoYNcY

Man, that really does just hammer home that the people behind Lucasfilm's current creative direction literally cannot portray a strong female character without somehow dunking on men to prove it.

The contrast between OT Leia, who is powerful and smart without being a jackass, and Disney Leia is staggering.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

Jeez that doesn't even make sense. Who the hell would be annoyed that they were rescued from a detention cell on an enemy base where I was going to be executed otherwise? Luke comes in to save my ass, I'd be like "THANK YOU! We gone!" and that would be the case, man or woman.

 

[Xerxes IX]

It really is sad because Leia was a pretty good character before- someone that we liked, but who also had flaws (mostly being a hothead, which she was clearly improving on by the end of Jedi).

Leia already being a good female character is a bad thing to them, because she was one without Disney/Lucasfilm having to do anything.

 

[friedshrimp]

Also Disney's idea of a strong female character is not one with like, good character, good personality, depth, flaws, complexity, development, etc. Their idea is very much "women sasses men and punches people = INSTANTLY STRONG" and better than stupid bimbos who don't act like this.*

*See how they treated the original Leia, Mary Jane Watson of the comics, Rogue, the old Disney princesses, etc, when compared to Rey, Michelle Jones, the Princesses from Wreck It Ralph 2, Captain Marvel, etc.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Hey @GeneralFriendliness, the Galaxy Edge's theme park is set to open in Disneyland on May 31 and in August for Disneyworld.

Disney Reveals Dates For ‘Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge’ Theme Park Openings

Disney CEO Bob Iger announced that the company’s long-anticipated Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge “lands” will open on May 31 and Aug. 29 at Disneyland in Anaheim and DisneyWorld i…

deadline.com

 

[Vault Boy]

I don't know if it's been posted but these panels of traced faces in the comic are pretty exploitable.

Oh god, that's ugly. If the uncanny valley ever has a picture for an example, this shit would be it.

 

[Red Hood]

Oh god, that's ugly. If the uncanny valley ever has a picture for an example, this shit would be it.

It's so low effort, too. It's like they took a photo, added a comics filter and then shopped the expression slightly. There's no artistry there. Why the fuck would people pay money for this?

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Also Disney's idea of a strong female character is not one with like, good character, good personality, depth, flaws, complexity, development, etc. Their idea is very much "women sasses men and punches people = INSTANTLY STRONG" and better than stupid bimbos who don't act like this.*

*See how they treated the original Leia, Mary Jane Watson of the comics, Rogue, the old Disney princesses, etc, when compared to Rey, Michelle Jones, the Princesses from Wreck It Ralph 2, Captain Marvel, etc.

I remember this comment on TVtropes from years back about Joss Whedon- "and remember, 'strong woman' is to be taken really, really literally. Ideally, it should involve a level of strength unavailable to actual women." This is why anime characters with eyes the size of tennis balls can still be more believable- because the people writing them have a range of human experience (or can fake it convincingly) and know that there's forms of strength that have nothing to do with making things fall down.

 

[Creep3r]

They are really going all out to try and portray Leia as some sort of Mary Sue feminist icon when in the original she was far from that. In said media she was a realistic human character who children of all ages and either sex could adore and admire. With Disney simply doing this shit for virtue signaling points by taking a well-beloved female character and turning her into a one-dimensional stereotype of strong women. Which reminds me of the first commercial under Disney to try and push this angle for Leia. I think it was a Walmart commercial. I'll have to check.

Edit:
Found it.

 

[Red Hood]

They are really going all out to try and portray Leia as some sort of Mary Sue feminist icon when in the original she was far from that. And said media she was a realistic human being of a character do children of all ages and either sex could adore and admire. With Disney simply doing this shit for virtue signaling points by taking a well-beloved female character and turning her into a one-dimensional stereotype of strong women. Which reminds me of the first commercial under Disney to try and push this angle for Leia. I think it was a Walmart commercial. I'll have to check.

Edit:
Found it.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=g5oQCybYq_o

And thay's the baffling part about it- they're trying to erase the flaws that made Leia human and relatable, all the while giving her worse flaws like violently assaulting people as a reaction to small slights.

 

[Tookie]

What baffles me more than anything is the lack of polish on such a valuable property. It's like they used the first draft of their scripts for the new movies. Most of the problems with the sequels could have solved with some better story arc planning and someone coming in to change up some character backgrounds to make them more compelling. Why would you not bother doing with this with something worth billions of dollars?

 

[Red Hood]

What baffles me more than anything is the lack of polish on such a valuable property. It's like they used the first draft of their scripts for the new movies. Most of the problems with the sequels could have solved with some better story arc planning and someone coming in to change up some character backgrounds to make them more compelling. Why would you not bother doing with this with something worth billions of dollars?

I think it speaks to the contempt they have for their consumers. And until Solo flopped, they were pretty much proven right: dumb fanboys will eat whatever shit they're shoveled as long as it's [brand name] so who cares about quality control?

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

So, out of curiosity, any suggestions on how to make Snoke less of a waste of screentime and turn him into a memorable villain?
Since he's apparently scarred from fighting a race of Vong wannabes, they could have gone with Snoke's secret plan not being so much about overtaking the galaxy as the new emperor, but rather him trying to whip his end of the galaxy into shape in time for the wannabe-vong to show up.
Essentially, he'd be frustrated with the meanderings of the Republic that decreased their army and refuses to take that outside threat seriously, so he decides to hijack the First Order (who without him were just former Empire officials larping at being the real deal), intending to use them to overthrow the Republic as a means to set the stage to build up a massive army and then counter the wannab-Vong.

The most interesting villains are those that have a goal that the viewer actually finds himself relating to - in this case trying to protect the galaxy, it would allow for some interesting morals to be brought up. Creating a giant oppressive dictatorship to fight back against an urgent live-or-die threat and whether this can be justified might be worth a shot as a theme for a movie and it would have allowed them to actually subvert expecations by having a more ambiguous conflict between the protagnists and the antagonists, since it's not so clearly "pure good vs pure evil" and more about the question on whether the ends justify the means.

Also Disney's idea of a strong female character is not one with like, good character, good personality, depth, flaws, complexity, development, etc. Their idea is very much "women sasses men and punches people = INSTANTLY STRONG" and better than stupid bimbos who don't act like this.*

*See how they treated the original Leia, Mary Jane Watson of the comics, Rogue, the old Disney princesses, etc, when compared to Rey, Michelle Jones, the Princesses from Wreck It Ralph 2, Captain Marvel, etc.

Disney seems like they want to avoid the old trope of "Princess falls in love with Prince on first sight", they have characters spend an entire movie together before one (or both) profess their love to the other person. Unfortunately, depicting women being compassionate, supportive or interested in males is undesirable, since it undermines the STRONK WAMYN angle, also showing a male being interested or attracted to a woman makes him a shitlord. So we end up with 2 characters that just coexist on screen, share no chemistry at all and then we're supposed to believe that there is some sort of hidden passion somewhere in this mix the moment they kiss randomly out of nowhere... aka: The Finn/Rose thing.
It boggles the mind.

I remember this comment on TVtropes from years back about Joss Whedon- "and remember, 'strong woman' is to be taken really, really literally. Ideally, it should involve a level of strength unavailable to actual women." This is why anime characters with eyes the size of tennis balls can still be more believable- because the people writing them have a range of human experience (or can fake it convincingly) and know that there's forms of strength that have nothing to do with making things fall down.

Funny you'd bring that up, anime has been getting shit from feminists all over the place for objetifying or fetishizing women, but the strange thing is: many of the strongest and most badass female characters in media are form anime.
Major Kusanagi from GitS, Integra from Hellsing or pretty much every female Character in Black Lagoon just to name a few.

Edit:
Found it.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=g5oQCybYq_o

I just threw up a little in my mouth. JFC.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

So, out of curiosity, any suggestions on how to make Snoke less of a waste of screentime and turn him into a memorable villain?

Here was my idea. If Kylo is the avatar of the dark side of the force, and Rey is the avatar of the light side, and Snoke created the connection between them, then his force ghost is still tied to them, and taking them over. His plan is to absorb both of their souls and become the will of the living Force. (Yes, I realize this makes him space-Nagash. I'm not working with a lot of tools here.)

Funny you'd bring that up, anime has been getting shit from feminists all over the place for objetifying or fetishizing women, but the strange thing is: many of the strongest and most badass female characters in media are form anime.
Major Kusanagi from GitS, Integra from Hellsing or pretty much every female Character in Black Lagoon just to name a few.

Lady Eboshi is my waifu. She can fight, but it's not her go-to skill set and you don't really see it until the end. She relies on her leadership capabilities and force of personality to get what she wants, and refuses to give up even after making mistakes and getting badly messed up as a consequence.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Here was my idea. If Kylo is the avatar of the dark side of the force, and Rey is the avatar of the light side, and Snoke created the connection between them, then his force ghost is still tied to them, and taking them over. His plan is to absorb both of their souls and become the will of the living Force. (Yes, I realize this makes him space-Nagash. I'm not working with a lot of tools here.)

Would be a nice idea, too.
It would raise the stakes from some old fart trying to take over the galaxy to the new villain trying to take over the force itself.

Lady Eboshi is my waifu. She can fight, but it's not her go-to skill set and you don't really see it until the end. She relies on her leadership capabilities and force of personality to get what she wants, and refuses to give up even after making mistakes and getting badly messed up as a consequence.

Definetly. And she's a good example of a well-written antagonist (if you can even call her that, since she's more of an independently acting character). Her goal is to help her people at the cost of nature. It's my favorite Ghibli movie for that setup alone. Everyone has a strong motivation for what they do. Lady Eboshi and San being on two opposite sides of the "Human interests - Interests of the forest spirits and nature" axis whereas Ashitaka wants to reconcile between the two.