Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Apparently she's been pretty antagonistic towards male fans from what I understand. Reddit white knights have been quite adamant about defending her and their arguments usually devolve into bashing "evil cis white male" Star Wars fans for ruining SW and thinking that if Captain Marvel fails, it'll be the fans' fault.
https://www.reddit.com/r/moviescirclejerk/comments/apu85g/reeeee_larson_strikes_again/
Yeah cuz its not like both male and female fans of all races are displeased with the state of SW... nope. Its only the evil cis male white nerds./sneed
Aw jeez, that subreddit. That place has more or less dedicated itself to shielding The Last Jedi from all criticism.

Fun fact, they usually defend TLJ by shitting on the PT. Yep, dismissing a "circlejerk" by engaging in a different one.
 
Fans have expressed their resentment for what they perceive to be Disney's attempt at squeezing a beloved title for every toy and merchandising opportunity it can get.
As opposed to the normal treatment of Star Wars where... exactly that has happened for decades?

They'll do anything to avoid admitting that maybe people just didn't like the damn movie.
 
Keep in mind that I saw millions of white MCU fans in theaters when Black Panther came out.

Not sure if I should say that Fiege is turning into another Kennedy or not.
Fiege is kinda going down that route now that all the previous Avengers actors are retiring, but he doesn't seem to be the issue. From what I can tell, its mostly Larson who seems to be alienating people via social media, and it seems to be affecting box office projections and overall optimism for the film which is pretty mixed at the moment. Black Panther also had a similar political air over it, but the guy playing Tchalla seemed pretty chill and didn't actively alienate fans with exceptional online behavior. Most of the exceptional behavior came from journos and activists unrelated to the movie if I recall.

The MCU won't die though. Absolutely not (even if Captain Marvel were to under-perform), at least not until after the last Avengers movie (which will likely be a huge success) and the old actors have their final bow. After that though...

https://cosmicbook.news/captain-marvel-projections
https://cosmicbook.news/captain-marvel-rotten-tomatoes-audience-score
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
Wouldn't surprise me if eventually even people who support SJ-stuff eventually get tired of these endless fabricated outrages over some new movie for being literally the first movie featuring a black/female/disabled/whatever protagonist ever.

Movies are escapism. The longer movies try to be political and draw people into political debates, the sooner people might tire of this endless circle or outrage. Especially once the "diminishing returns" of virtue signalling settle in. If it's no longer special to virtue signal by watching a movie and you are sick of it being used as a political thing, even SJW might stop bothering to watch them.
Optimistic as fuck, not saying this will happen, but if it did, I would not be surprised either.
 
https://www.cbr.com/rian-johnson-star-wars-savior/

Sorry, Last Jedi Haters, But Rian Johnson May Be Star Wars' Savior
A substantial portion of the Star Wars fanbase was turned off the franchise after Rian Johnson's The Last Jedi back in 2017. Though a substantial amount of the outrage people saw online following the film's cinematic release was evidently due to Russian bots, there were more than a few real fans who reacted negatively to the film and toward Johnson, who wrote and directed it.

That was exemplified by the events that unfolded on Twitter recently, when a rumor began to circulate that Johnson was going to be stepping back from the franchise and that his planned trilogy had been canceled. These rumors spread fast, thanks in part to SuperBrosMovies, only to be debunked just as quickly, much to the disappointment of Johnson's most ardent detractors. The site has since published an apology, which Johnson has humbly accepted.


There are a lot of Star Wars fans out there that would love to see Rian Johnson removed from the franchise, just because of a few elements of The Last Jedi, which is somewhat unreasonable. The film was far from perfect, and some of the most vocal critics have established some valid reasons for wanting to shun it, criticizing specific elements as opposed to writing off the entire film like some. However, no matter what your stance is on the matter, there's no denying that Johnson was able to produce something unique, which is exactly what the Star Wars franchise needs going forward.

Before some of you leave to grab your pitchforks, let's take a look at what the film saga thus far has brought us, along with the anthology films and television shows.

The original trilogy offered something new to cinema with its setting, characters and concepts. The story revolved around Luke Skywalker discovering the Force, learning how to connect with it and break through the limitations he imposed on himself so he could free his father and the galaxy from the evil of the Emperor. The prequel trilogy built on that by presenting the story of Anakin Skywalker to show us how someone could easily fall, no matter how noble their drive.


It's been 40 years since A New Hope, and the franchise continues to revolve around the Skywalker bloodline without really providing audiences with anything new. To do that, Lucasfilm has nearly exhausted the franchise of any kind of much needed mystery until, as we've started to see, the smallest details are being mined for narrative building material. Nowhere was that more painfully clear than in Solo: A Star Wars Story (directed by Ron Howard), which many fans found to misuse the characters and world at its disposal in order to expand on generally uninteresting details like the origin of those dice or how Han Solo got his blaster.

The entirety of Rogue One (directed by Gareth Edwards) revolved around one very specific detail from A New Hope and it was a great film, but using minor details from beloved films as the basis for an entire story is no way to continue a franchise. Star Wars -- with regard to the films in particular -- needs to start innovating with characters and stories.

Outside of the comic books, novels and video games, the Star Wars franchise has always seemed trapped in the same story about the Skywalker family, the fall of the Republic and the rise of the Empire. The sequel trilogy has inched away from it when it should have made strides.

When the franchise returned to cinemas with The Force Awakens (directed by J.J. Abrams), fans excitedly praised the film only to realize over time (after the nostalgic charm wore off) that the film, including its plot and some of its characters, were complete replicas of A New Hope. A Force-sensitive hero from a desert planet is forced to leave their home, meet Han and Chewie and embark on a dangerous mission to destroy a Death Star, or in this case a "Death Planet," in the form of Starkiller base. The only truly unique character is the former Stormtrooper.

There were different faces and names, but that's virtually all the film had to offer the franchise, which did not bode well for Disney's sequel trilogy.

Enter The Last Jedi, which brought audiences a new tone, new characters, concepts and more while adhering to the plot it had to continue. Again, the film definitely had its flaws, no one is claiming that The Last Jedi was the greatest Star Wars film of all time. It may not have been the greatest, but out of the entries we've seen over the last two decades, it was certainly the most intriguing.

Rian Johnson wasn't afraid to play around with everything the franchise had introduced in the past. The Force was used in new and exciting ways, and the Resistance employed different strategies that may not have been practical, but were certainly gorgeous to watch.


The film even introduced fresh mysteries to familiar characters like Luke Skywalker, who was depicted as being a bitter old hermit instead of the perfect hero everyone expected him to be. It's far more interesting and adds more depth to the character. Whether or not you agree, it's undeniable that Johnson has some original ideas to offer, and he's likely to prove that with his trilogy, unhindered by the need to build around anything audiences have seen dozens of times already.

Fans have expressed their resentment for what they perceive to be Disney's attempt at squeezing a beloved title for every toy and merchandising opportunity it can get. Rian Johnson, who has proven himself an avid Star Wars fan, can change that by creating a unique story, not because he wants to help sell toys, but because he has a story he wants to tell that will make that galaxy far, far away feel that much bigger.

So, to the overly critical fans we'll say this: Rian Johnson hasn't ruined the franchise, he's brought hope to it.
Fuck it, let's go one by one, paragraph for paragraph. I analyze bad fanfiction as a hobby, this isn't too different.

1: Russian bots. Wow, that was fast. Lemme get my borsht and explain why the Russians wouldn't waste their time on a movie in America. They're busy fucking people up with nerve agents.

2: Jonson's Trilogy. We don't know, we don't care. It's dead in the water due to the returns of TLJ and the repercussions it had.

3: While this seems to be the placating paragraph, what Jonson did was not unique. It was textbook character assassination and brought plot holes instead of new and fun ideas. It brought the toxin of SJW pandering into SW movies, and this cannot be undone.

4: I'm not holding a pitchfork, I'm holding a cannon.

5: Luke never imposed limits on himself. He overcame the limits of his ability. Other than this, harmless.

6: The EU had a wealth of material, the Old Republic sold, TCW sold, the Skywalkers weren't everything. There was tons to do. What about the rise of Palpatine? What about the creation of the Separatist Alliance? What happened to the Clones after Order 66? So many options, no Skywalkers needed. The criticisms of Solo are valid

7: This was a minor detail that did not need expounding upon. The ventilation shaft can be written off as arrogance for the Empire, and the pseudo-Jedi introduced muddied the waters on how the Rebellion and Galaxy treated the Force post Order 66.

8: Outside of the comics, games, and TV shows? Then it's just the Skywalker Saga. That's what the movies are. That's because that's what Lucas wanted the movies to be. If you want more than the Skywalkers, there's a wealth of material.

9: Valid, although the fact that Rey Sue is no Luke Skywalker in terms of likability also impacts things. Luke was whiny but at least he was redeemable. Rey Sue is a blank Mary Sue.
10: Yes

11:Here we go. First of all, there are people calling TLJ the greatest Star Wars movie ever, and TLJ did not bring a new tone. A dark tone was present in Empire. It brought only Rose, the most reviled character in Star Wars after Jar Jar. It did not adhere to the mystery boxes Abrams set up, it destroyed them with malicious glee. I will grant, however, that this film certainly is intriguing.
12: Leia Poppins and the lorebreaking hyperspace ram aside, the only tactics we see are sheer ineptitude. No new interesting tactics, ships, species, or movements are brought up.

13: And here we go into a full stop. No, Jonson did not introduce new mysteries, he outright assassinated the character of Luke Skywalker, acting in ways that even Mark Hamill himself called out as uncharacteristic, he removed any depth. There is no depth to what Hamill calls Jake Skywalker, there is only the irritation of absolutely everyone who knows who Luke is and was. Any new ideas Jonson has have been either obliterated by his own ineptitude or will be shot down by the Mouse himself.

14: Jonson is not an avid Star Wars fan. His Twitter temper tantrums and his gross disrespect for canon put him on the level of Wendig. Even Filoni the wolfaboo and guardian of Ashoka has a shred of dignity to cling to, but Jonson has none, and the effects are clear. Jonson's love of Star Wars begins and ends with 'subverting expectations' and a fat paycheck.

15: Solo bombed, toy sales are down, Battlefront didn't sell, hype for IX is through the floor, and nobody cares anymore. Jonson gave Star Wars a quick but painful death.
 
Or, in short:
If Johnson is the savior, he's made his own work incredibly hard, since no one is going to give him the benefit of the doubt in a new movie - let alone something in Star Wars.
Even if it turned out absolutely amazing, it might be that stubborn old fans will still refuse to ever watch it and a shitton of casual fans will simply ignore it for similar reasons. We've seen tons of amazing movies bomb due to a lack of word-of-mouth spreading around. Here, we have a hypothetically amazing movie made by an absolutely toxic shitstain of a director.
Far more likely is that his own trilogy will be utter crap, since I don't see him coming up with particularly interesting things to do with a SW movie if TLJ is any indication.
 
A substantial portion of the Star Wars fanbase was turned off the franchise after Rian Johnson's The Last Jedi back in 2017. Though a substantial amount of the outrage people saw online following the film's cinematic release was evidently due to Russian bots
Stopped reading right there, the rest of the article is almost certainly more vapid 'but he broke new ground' noise. I'm not as gung-ho about getting rid of Rian Johnson as others are though, mostly because I no longer care about Disney Wars other than a morbid curiosity as to how low it can continue to sink. If anything his next film will at least probably be unintentionally entertaining shitpost bait since he'll be fucking up his own stupid characters and not well-established ones.
 
Rian Johnson only gets praise from the hack media desk jockeys who never take "no" for an answer but can't take the heat of criticism, to the tone of "icky entitled masculinity disorder" or some flavor of the month shit. If he actually ate humble pie, the media would go ahead and tell him he's wrong for listening to the fans. There was no hope for any kind of Star Wars reboot, it isn't the right decade.
 
Rian Johnson only gets praise from the hack media desk jockeys who never take "no" for an answer but can't take the heat of criticism, to the tone of "icky entitled masculinity disorder" or some flavor of the month shit. If he actually ate humble pie, the media would go ahead and tell him he's wrong for listening to the fans. There was no hope for any kind of Star Wars reboot, it isn't the right decade.
I'm relatively sure that exactly that happened, since one of his early post-TLJ twitter posts was basically 'I was wondering if I actually screwed up at first, but I decided no, it's the fans who are wrong'. Probably his twitter echo chamber hurriedly rushing to his defense and reassuring him he did nothing wrong.
 
The market has already judged Disney Wars, and so far has found it wanting.

Ep IX will make or break the public face of Disney Wars. If it flops, then there's no amount of damage control that can really be done. If it succeeds, that's Disney's ticket out of this shitstorm for a few more years.
 
Wouldn't surprise me if eventually even people who support SJ-stuff eventually get tired of these endless fabricated outrages over some new movie for being literally the first movie featuring a black/female/disabled/whatever protagonist ever.

Movies are escapism. The longer movies try to be political and draw people into political debates, the sooner people might tire of this endless circle or outrage. Especially once the "diminishing returns" of virtue signalling settle in. If it's no longer special to virtue signal by watching a movie and you are sick of it being used as a political thing, even SJW might stop bothering to watch them.
Optimistic as fuck, not saying this will happen, but if it did, I would not be surprised either.

Hopefully at some point the American entertainment industry will notice the "oppressed POCs" around the world think SJWs are as idiotic as people in America do and that pandering to them isn't a path to global profits.
 
I see your point, though Brie Larson does look a bit miscasted.
Found this in another thread. Apparently Larson's really been mouthing off.
Does the Captain Marvel, Brie Larson, deserve a thread or to be called an lolcow? She spews your typical American SJW shit. Honestly, in the weeks leading up to Wonder Woman, I didn't hear Gal Gadot spewing this kind of stuff. Though it maybe because Gal's not American and seems more like the type to just do whatever the studios CEOs tell her to do and say.

In the Captain Marvel thread here there is a bunch of other articles on the stuff Brie Larson has said.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/captain-marvel.47869/page-17

https://heroichollywood.com/brie-larson-captain-marvel-white-press/

"Brie Larson Wants Less White Men On Captain Marvel Press Tour"
Reminds me of how Rian Johnson was happily mouthing off at fans before he deleted so many of his tweets to save face. Now he tries to make himself look like the better man by erasing all his previous tweets where he outright provoked others first. I wonder if Larson may end up doing the same soon? Then again, she's the lead role, so she's far less replaceable than someone like Rian.
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
Thank you for telling me the cartoon director’s name. I knew the chest cavity part happened. It does seem weird that was how they tried to reconcile the difference.

If I recall, Grievous' cough came from George Lucas himself who was sick - maybe with bronchitis? - when the Grievous filming took place and decided the cough would add an organic touch to the mostly-cyborg character and filmed his coughs for use by Grievous.

To retcon an explanation for it, the Clone Wars micro-series ended with Mace Windu crushing Grievous' chest.

Still, this is something that made sense in terms of story-telling. In the new films, stuff happens without rhyme, reason, or logic.
 
I've always wondered, was Porkins a great pilot before the Battle of Yavin, or was the Alliance just desperate enough that they'd take anyone that could avoid crashing a T-16 for ten minutes?

I mean in Luke's case at least Biggs is vouching for him.
Tierfon Yellow Aces
"Hold your Gandoks, I'm goin' in!"
―Jek Tono Porkins[src]

Jek Tono Porkins

Porkins was initially assigned to Tierfon Rebel Outpost,[9] serving in the Tierfon Yellow Aces.[10] The Yellow Aces were officially a training squadron but were frequently involved in the less hazardous active combat missions, giving them combat experience.[9] Porkins found the transition from T-16 to BTL Y-wing and T-65 X-wing starfighter pilot easy. He soon reached the rank of lieutenant and, in under 40 hours of combat time, achieved sixteen confirmed kills.[1] Among those in Porkins's training class was a pilot named Wes Janson, with whom he worked well and became good friends.[9] He and Janson also became acquainted with the young pilot N'dru Suhlak, whom they gave some informal training.[11] During his time with the Yellow Aces, Porkins acquired his astromech droid, R5-D8, who remained with him throughout his career.[12]

On one mission, the Yellow Aces were sent to ambush an Imperial freighter and its TIE/LN starfighter escort as they landed at a temporary Imperial staging base. The squadron flew Y-wings and was under instruction to split into two groups, with one group strafing the base and drawing away its defenses while the other attempted to disable the freighter. The first stage of the mission went well, but when the freighter arrived with a larger escort than expected, Yellow Ace member Kissek Doran panicked and broke formation. Knowing that if Doran was seen by the Imperials, the Yellow Aces would be compromised and potentially eliminated, Porkins and Janson were ordered to pursue him and attempt to bring him back. If they were unable to do so, they were authorized to shoot him down. Porkins attempted to use his own starfighter to force Doran to the ground. However, his attempts were unsuccessful and Janson was forced to open fire. His laser cannon cracked Doran's cockpit and he was killed by exposure to the vacuum outside.[10]

In 0 BBY,[2] with the Alliance becoming aware of the threat posed by the Empire's new battlestation, the Death Star, the Yellow Aces were taken to fully active status. High-security bases were given priority for the newly active pilots and, when Red Squadron operating out of the Rebel base in the Great Temple on Yavin 4 needed pilots to fill an immediate shortage, Janson was scheduled for an emergency transfer to the Yavin system. However, when Janson was taken ill with Hesken Fever, Porkins took his place.[9]

Red Squadron
"That's a good-sized pot."
"And he won a lot of credits, too."
―Wedge Antilles and Biggs Darklighter, after losing to Porkins at sabacc[src]
Soon after arriving on Yavin, Porkins attended a briefing by General Jan Dodonna. The Alliance was in need of additional starfighters and had recently learned of a number of X-wings at an Incom Corporation assembly facility. Dodonna outlined a plan to capture the fighters by using four TIE/LN starfighters, recently brought to the Alliance by the defecting crew of the Class II Frigate Rand Ecliptic, to draw the defending TIE fighters away from the nearby Imperial Security Bureau base. Once the Incom facility was undefended, the Rand Ecliptic would arrive to retrieve the X-wings. The mission was a success, with the Rebels capturing several of the new starfighters, though Peate Kurin was killed and Derek Klivian lost a leg during the diversionary raid. Porkins later joined Biggs Darklighter, Wedge Antilles, and Cesi Eirriss in practicing in the captured fighters. After visiting Klivian in the infirmary, the group was called back for another briefing with General Dodonna.[7]

Though the Alliance now had a supply of starfighters at Yavin 4, they still needed astromech droids to help their pilots operate the ships. The Empire seemed to have anticipated their need and responded with strict controls over the droids,[7] but a source had been found when Captain Nera Dantels of the Starduster arranged to take a shipment of R2and R5 units to the Imperial stronghold of Commenor. Porkins, along with Darklighter, Antilles, and Eirriss, was dispatched undercover to the world to rendezvous with the smuggler.[8]


Porkins takes exception to a remark about his size.

After arriving at Commenor, the Rebels landed their X-wings at the spaceport, rented a landspeeder, and headed to a local cantina,[8] where they had been told to play a game of sabacc while waiting for Dantels.[7] While there, they watched the latest news of the dissolution of the Imperial Senate on the HoloNet, learning of the apparent disappearance of Senator Leia Organa of Alderaan. Porkins won the sabacc game, but as they prepared to play another, Antilles received a signal from Dantels telling them to meet her at Hangar Bay 31, and the group departed. Outside, they were met by a number of local ruffians who claimed to have chased some thieves away from the landspeeder and demanded a reward. When Porkins refused to play along, one of the gang insulted him, causing the Rebel to knee the youth in the midsection. The situation rapidly descended into a brawl, before the Rebels ended the fight by pulling their blasters and left in the speeder to head to their rendezvous.[8]

The Rebels finally met with Captain Dantels and examined the cargo of astromechs. After confirming the cargo, they arranged to meet up with her in orbit and lead the Starduster back to Yavin 4. However, unknown to the Rebels, one of the street gang had followed them, leading a stormtrooper to the meeting. The stormtrooper called the Imperial base on the nearby moonof Folor to warn them of the fleeing Rebels. By the time the Rebels collected their X-wings and reached orbit, the Imperials had already dispatched TIE/LN starfighters to intercept them.[8]

Seeing the incoming fighters, Antilles and Darklighter broke formation to intercept, leaving Porkins and Eirriss to provide cover for the Starduster. Nevertheless, some TIEs made it through and were able to get on Porkins's tail. Eirriss eliminated his pursuers and Porkins soon reciprocated, but more TIEs came and attacked the Starduster. Though Dantels was able to shoot them off, some of the debris struck Eirriss's X-wing, damaging her shield generator and hyperdrive. With no time to eject before the next wave of TIEs arrived, and no way to leave the system, Eirriss set a collision course for the incoming fighters, telling her comrades to leave without her. Her X-wing was destroyed in a head-on collision with the Imperial fighters.[8]

Porkins, Antilles, and Darklighter jumped to hyperspace, leading the Starduster back to Yavin 4. After landing in the Great Temple, and learning that the Death Star was already en route to Yavin to destroy the Rebel base, the Rebel pilots agreed to dedicate the destruction of the superweapon to their fallen comrade.[8] On Porkins's recommendation, Yellow Ace pilot John D. Branon was selected to take the place of Eirriss for the upcoming battle.[13] Soon after returning, Porkins met Darklighter's old friend, Luke Skywalker, who had himself just arrived on Yavin 4 and was also to join Red Squadron.[8]

Battle of Yavin
"I've got a problem here."
"Eject."
"I can hold it."
"Pull up!"
"No, I'm all—Aargh!"
―Porkins talks to Darklighter, moments before his death — Listen (file info)[src]

Jek Porkins during the Battle of Yavin

Soon, the Death Star arrived in the system, but the Rebels believed they had found a weakness in the battlestation. Plans provided by Leia Organa after her rescue from Imperial capture had revealed a small thermal exhaust port leading to the main reactor core. With the Death Star's defenses geared towards defending the station from a large-scale attack, the Rebels believed it would be possible for their starfighters to navigate down a narrow trench on the Death Star's surface, and fire a proton torpedo into the exhaust port, triggering a chain reaction that would destroy the station. After General Dodonna outlined the mission, the Rebel pilots prepared for battle.[4] As the Rebels rushed to get ready for the battle, the X-wing assigned to Porkins missed its final inspection of computer and flight control systems.[14]

Porkins flew under the call sign Red Six during the Battle of Yavin. After arriving at the approaching battlestation, the Rebels initiated strafing runs in the area around the trench.[4] Porkins's skill with strafing played an important part in the success of the early runs,[14] but the Rebel fighters came under heavy fire from a turbolaser emplacement near one of the surface's many deflection towers. Darklighter moved to attack the tower, telling Porkins to provide cover. The two pilots dived towards the surface, opening fire on the tower and scoring a direct hit.[4] However, as the tower exploded, Porkins was caught by debris from the blast, causing instruments throughout his fighter to malfunction.[15] Though his X-wing fighter was generally maneuverable enough to avoid the Death Star's sluggish turbolasers, incorrect readings from his instrumentation left him unable to judge his altitude and he found himself too low and an easy target for enemy fire.[16]Darklighter attempted to warn his friend that he was too low and advised him to eject, but Porkins felt that he could control the problem. Before he was able to regain control, however, he was hit by enemy turbolaser fire and was killed as his X-wing exploded around him.[4]

Legacy

Porkins dies as his X-wing disintegrates around him.

"You are elite pilots and you are more than just that, but no matter who you are, or how good you are, you'll never be considered as good as Biggs Darklighter or Jek Porkins or anyone else who has died in service to Rogue Squadron. They are legends, this unit is a legend, and none of us are ever going to be able to be more than they are."
―Wedge Antilles addresses members of Rogue Squadron[src]
A holographic memorial to Porkins, along with the other pilots killed during the mission, was installed in the Great Temple following the battle[17] and he was still included in the Rogue Squadron memorial as late as 5 ABY.[18][19] His actions during the Battle of Yavin saw him posthumously awarded the Kenobi Medallion, a medal created specifically to remember the sacrifices of those who fought at Yavin. His Kenobi Medallion was hung with those of his comrades in the pilots' lounge at Tierfon Rebel Base.[1] Red Squadron survivors Luke Skywalker and Wedge Antilles later founded Rogue Squadron[9] and, though Porkins died before Rogue Squadron's formation, Antilles always considered him and the other members of Red Squadron to be among the first Rogues.[20] Rogue Squadron named one of their maneuvers Porkins' Formation in his memory.[21] After Antilles and Janson formed Wraith Squadron, following the New Republic's capture of Coruscant, they informed the Gamorrean Wraith recruit Voort saBinring that they did not see his nickname of "Piggy" as an insult—instead it was a mark of respect as the same nickname had once belonged to Porkins.[10]

n 0 BBY,[2] Jek Porkins flew an X-wing starfighter as a member of Red Squadronduring the Battle of Scarif, going by the callsign Red Six, where he mostly provided support for the other ships in Admiral Raddus' fleet. The battle ended with the theft of the technical readouts for the Death Star, a moon-sized Imperial battlestation.[8]


Porkins in his X-wing

Just days after returning from Scarif, Porkins dished out drinks for his fellow pilots at Base One on the night before the Battle of Yavin.[7]He once again flew with Red Squadron, again as Red Six, alongside Nozzo Naytaanas the wingmen of Zal Dinnes.[9] He bumped into Biggs Darklighter after the mission briefing, exchanging banter with his fellow pilot that Darklighter considered to be a ritual hazing from the cocky Bestine native.[7]

During the battle, Dreis ordered the destruction of one of the Death Star's deflection towers, which Porkins and Darklighter destroyed with their starfighters' laser cannons. Porkins' craft struck debris from the tower and began to malfunction, causing him to drift over the Imperial turbolaser batteries mounted on the surface. Porkins was convinced he could still navigate his fighter, ignoring Darklighter's warnings to extract from the area. Porkins' fighter was caught in turbolaser crossfire and he was killed almost instantly.[4] The officers and pilots around the central command table in the Massassi war room heard Porkins' last words, and Elyhek Rue vowed that he would be avenged.[9] Despite this, another Rebel pilot didn't receive word of his death, and asked if Porkins could see Luke Skywalker's fighter a few minutes after Jek was shot down.[3]

Over three decades later, Porkins was remembered through the Porkins Belly Run, a Resistance flight maneuver named in his honor.[10] Whilst traveling aboard the Millennium Falcon following the Battle of Crait, BB-8 told R2-D2 about the death of the Abednedo pilot Ello Asty, who went by the callsign Red Six, R2 told him that they had lost a Red Six during the Battle of Yavin.[11]

so tl;dr
They lost Porkins, that was devastating for morale.
but unironically
 
If it succeeds, that's Disney's ticket out of this shitstorm for a few more years.
I think those last 5 word can't be emphasized enough. Even if IX does good, it doesn't mean SW is saved.
Before TFA, people went "A new Star Wars movie? I have to go watch it under any circumstances!", now it's a far less enthusiastic "New Star Wars movie? Ehhhh. I might give it a shot.", it's no longer a safe bet to assume people will flock to the cinemas to watch it.

One can't say Disney destroyed the SW reputation (The PT did that, tbh), but it diminished its perception nowadays.
To a point where people are rather reluctant to watch it.

The two constants with fanboys, and what makes them fanboys, are:

a) They are unquestioningly loyal to their brand

b) They will defend their brand no matter how shitty it becomes.
c) If you piss them off, they will hold an absolutely ridiculous grudge for a very, very long time and it might become impossible to appease them.

I think TLJ and Disney's aggressive stance towards the old SW fans has disenfranchised many of them for good.
These old fans enjoyed Luke, they enjoyed Han, they enjoyed the wonders and expansive world of Star Wars.
They enjoyed heroism, hope, the overcoming of obstacles, the triumph of good vs evil.

TFA took all that and set it on fire. Then TLJ came along and put out those fires by spraying diarrhea all over it.
It's not even just that all original characters are losers now. It's not even just that they die in stupid, often anti-climactic ways. It's not even just that absolutely every fan-favorite character is being upstaged by some poorly written Mary Sue with the charisma of a garbage can. It's not even just that literally every achievement in the OT was invalidated.
It's how Disney and their syophants went "Star Wars is no longer for you, it's for a new generation!" combined with a heavy mocking tone towards those being invested in the franchise for a long time. Countless fanboys go "I supported this Franchise for almost all my life and this is how they thank me?" and rightfully so.

With fanboys, there's always the risk that they behave like the spouses of abusive husbands that crawl back to them, despite being beaten regularly... but in this case: What does Star Wars offer them any longer? I think many of them realized that it's not the name "Star Wars" that they are attracted to, it's the characters and the message behind the OT. It's not a groundbreaking message, I give you that, but it was a positive one.

It certainly doesn't help that there's nothing to be emotionally invested in with this new trilogy.
Not the plot, not the characters... and it doesn't even really feel like anything is at stake in the ST, since the world-building is done so poorly.
For all we know, Kylo Ren might turn the First Order into a paradise for all of its inhabitants, after killing Snoke.
I can only speak for myself, but I simply don't care about anything in the ST in a positive way.

So, I think most fans have been chased away for good, but one never knows. I sincerely hope they ignore nuWars, though. Disney does not deserve these fans and they treated them like crap.
 
I think those last 5 word can't be emphasized enough. Even if IX does good, it doesn't mean SW is saved.
Before TFA, people went "A new Star Wars movie? I have to go watch it under any circumstances!", now it's a far less enthusiastic "New Star Wars movie? Ehhhh. I might give it a shot.", it's no longer a safe bet to assume people will flock to the cinemas to watch it.

One can't say Disney destroyed the SW reputation (The PT did that, tbh), but it diminished its perception nowadays.
To a point where people are rather reluctant to watch it.


c) If you piss them off, they will hold an absolutely ridiculous grudge for a very, very long time and it might become impossible to appease them.

I think TLJ and Disney's aggressive stance towards the old SW fans has disenfranchised many of them for good.
These old fans enjoyed Luke, they enjoyed Han, they enjoyed the wonders and expansive world of Star Wars.
They enjoyed heroism, hope, the overcoming of obstacles, the triumph of good vs evil.

TFA took all that and set it on fire. Then TLJ came along and put out those fires by spraying diarrhea all over it.
It's not even just that all original characters are losers now. It's not even just that they die in stupid, often anti-climactic ways. It's not even just that absolutely every fan-favorite character is being upstaged by some poorly written Mary Sue with the charisma of a garbage can. It's not even just that literally every achievement in the OT was invalidated.
It's how Disney and their syophants went "Star Wars is no longer for you, it's for a new generation!" combined with a heavy mocking tone towards those being invested in the franchise for a long time. Countless fanboys go "I supported this Franchise for almost all my life and this is how they thank me?" and rightfully so.

With fanboys, there's always the risk that they behave like the spouses of abusive husbands that crawl back to them, despite being beaten regularly... but in this case: What does Star Wars offer them any longer? I think many of them realized that it's not the name "Star Wars" that they are attracted to, it's the characters and the message behind the OT. It's not a groundbreaking message, I give you that, but it was a positive one.

It certainly doesn't help that there's nothing to be emotionally invested in with this new trilogy.
Not the plot, not the characters... and it doesn't even really feel like anything is at stake in the ST, since the world-building is done so poorly.
For all we know, Kylo Ren might turn the First Order into a paradise for all of its inhabitants, after killing Snoke.
I can only speak for myself, but I simply don't care about anything in the ST in a positive way.

So, I think most fans have been chased away for good, but one never knows. I sincerely hope they ignore nuWars, though. Disney does not deserve these fans and they treated them like crap.
With c) I think there needs to be a word for when a fanboy is turned around and begins to hold that grudge against their former favorite property. That's a phase I went through following the prequel trilogy where I trashed Star Wars fans for eating whatever shit Lucas shoveled out.

Since the Disney takeover (a brilliant move on Lucas' part if his goal was a table flip that would piss off the fanboys once and for all) I've at least been able to look at his prequels and be like, "Well...at least he tried some new things and didn't just clone the OT."

And I think ultimately the reason I like the OT still is the characters, like you said. They're not super deep, but maybe that's why they're so appealing. They represent something very universal. Plus, they're played by people in their prime that were fountains of charisma in those roles.
 
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