💥 Trainwreck Onision / James Gregory Jackson / Gregory James Daniel/Jackson/Avaroe - Edgy king of the tweens, Vegan with deformed dick, Pedo, Destroying the Environment. Serial Domestic Abuser, Served the wrong Chris Hansen.

[Tiny Clanger]

Try explaining that to someone who worked in tech during the dot com boom. YouTube can be shut off like a light bulb. It isn't a real job.

To be fair, that's now true of any job. There's no such thing as a job-for-life any more and previously very safe professions such as banking, accountancy, law etc. are just as vulnerable to market forces. Even if there are jobs we will always need (and automation reduces that pool constantly) they still rely on others paying for them.

I'm playing devil's advocate here; of course I'd not advise anyone to rely on something as fickle as YT - the smart ones have invested what they need to keep their channels growing but diversified hugely. Grub didn't. Nor has ALR, she just eats every YT cheque and fatly awaits the next one in bovine expectation. Can't fix stupid, and stupid always thinks it's right.


Ps. @DarthBrooks Different country, but I used to work in tax. Grub's situation is complicated because he fucked up in so many ways, so there are capital violations as well as income/expenditure ones.

The goal of any collection agency like the IRS is to get paid. You're fuck all use to them in prison and they'll exhaust any options to get their whack. After much reeeeing I think he did actually get a tax specialist and believe me, the first thing you do is remove your client from all negotiation and tell them to shut the fuck up. The deal they'll get you will always be better than one you can negotiate yourself, but clients like Grub are so unlikeable, recalcitrant and self-destructive that he won't have got a good deal. But the important thing is that specialists will negotiate a payment schedule and the client has to adhere to that. They can attach earnings, take out liens on property etc. etc. and they'll just keep hauling you into court.

Yes, tax evasion gets people put behind bars but often it's just a way to nail them (wasn't Al Capone finally hit with tax evasion?) It's not beneficial to the IRS tho. They want their money and they will get it. I've said before, first rule tiny wee accountants learn is "do NOT fuck with the US IRS." Grub was audited twice, they found serious discrepancies twice - he'll never just fly under the radar again, and they will scrutinise his family too even if they're not audited. If he tries to hide money he's fucked, but they will get their piece of the pie. He can make it easy or hard on himself but they WILL get it. From his estate when he snuffs it, if necessary. You just cannot outrun the IRS.


Pps. I just thought (dur) - as far as we know, Grub wasn't charged/prosecuted for tax evasion. Just slapped around, probably fined, and ordered to pay.

But some of his claims were so egregious, especially as he's been caught before, that I'm actually surprised they didn't deem it deliberate evasion, which must have been considered. So that must mean they believe he's actually incredibly stupid rather than criminally evasive. And I mean really, incredibly, too-dumb-to-breathe-stupid.

Poor Grub. Essentially, he has a choice - either he deliberately defrauded the IRS so "most honest" is called into question, or he's terminally stupid. Of course we knew that, but there's no subjectivity or grey area here, no wriggle room for semantics. So which are you, Greggypoo? A lying thief or too dumb to be a lying thief?

 

[bigshot]

To be fair, that's now true of any job. There's no such thing as a job-for-life any more and previously very safe professions such as banking, accountancy, law etc. are just as vulnerable to market forces.

Careers generally come with a set of skills and you gain experience that can be applied in different areas of work. If you're a banker and for some reason banks go under, you can become an accountant. If you work building fighter jets and the government isn't buying new ones, you can get a job on an auto assembly line or repair jets at the airport. But if you are a youtube celebrity, there aren't many skills that apply to other jobs... television personality? not likely unless you were really famous on youtube and can make the transition. Where does gaming the monetization system of youtube fit in the overall job market? This whole career is focused on the product of one company. If youtube decides to change things and move in a different direction, a whole job category will be left high and dry with nowhere else to go. Look at where Onision is now... youtube is fading away on him, but what else can he do? He's never acquired any work skills that apply anywhere else. Sure, you can make money at youtube and live on it, but that is like depending on winning the lottery to pay your next month's rent.

 

[Tiny Clanger]

Oh, I deffo agree that anyone relying on YT or any other form of social media with no diversification is an absolute tool - I said in a previous post about how unprepared Grub or Spastic Prinx are for the real world and how hard it would hit them.

But the work world is changing uber-fast - jobs that were plentiful and "for life" for my parents generation (retail banking, manufacturing, mining, secretarial etc. etc) now barely exist, and even the professions get hammered in an economic collapse. The last big recession in the UK for instance impacted the traditionally safe middle classes and having a profession was no guarantee of stability.

The differences used to play out over a couple of generations but now just a decade can completely change everything - and dependent on where we are in life could mean we have a totally different outlook; your normal could be my catastrophic change because of this. But I absolutely concur, and idiots like Grub haven't even taken the opportunities that ARE available to a successful YTer, such as learning about film, marketing, promotion or various tech elements. He's not moved forward so much as a millimetre in any direction since he first put that stupid banana suit on, but even worse? He thinks he has.

 

[Blonde Bomb]

Oh, I deffo agree that anyone relying on YT or any other form of social media with no diversification is an absolute tool - I said in a previous post about how unprepared Grub or Spastic Prinx are for the real world and how hard it would hit them.

But the work world is changing uber-fast - jobs that were plentiful and "for life" for my parents generation (retail banking, manufacturing, mining, secretarial etc. etc) now barely exist, and even the professions get hammered in an economic collapse. The last big recession in the UK for instance impacted the traditionally safe middle classes and having a profession was no guarantee of stability.

The differences used to play out over a couple of generations but now just a decade can completely change everything - and dependent on where we are in life could mean we have a totally different outlook; your normal could be my catastrophic change because of this. But I absolutely concur, and idiots like Grub haven't even taken the opportunities that ARE available to a successful YTer, such as learning about film, marketing, promotion or various tech elements. He's not moved forward so much as a millimetre in any direction since he first put that stupid banana suit on, but even worse? He thinks he has.

He's becoming the Norma Desmond of YouTube....only without any measure of talent before their fall from grace. Or the class.

"I AM HONEST. IT'S EVERYONE ELSE THAT LIES."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsTizLgxeE0
Completely with insane costumes and everything! Sadly, he will not have a grand staircase to play the scene on.
(Sorry if the YT link sucks...I'm too tired to try to embed it)

 

[RainAndPetalEavesdrop]

Greg gets off on knowing his sperm can do what all sperm can do: find an egg. And he gets off on knowing his sperm and that egg make a baby that grows inside a woman---excuse me, girl---for nine months, it's another way of 'marking' her.

Never mind the fact that that child isn't 'his', in the sense that genetics are split between the parents, it also takes an egg from a woman to make a baby, or that he doesn't do the hard work of carrying it around nine months & all the restrictions, complications & stress that comes with that. Or push it out (didn't Lainey have vaginal births?). Or deal with the postpartum...

Greg strikes me like Henry VIII...he needed to prove his masculinity by impregnation (and yes, I know it was also to secure the Tudor line). Without it, what sort of man is he? Once the child is here, he wants very little to do with it.

If he could afford to send his children off to boarding school, I'm sure he would.

similar to his wives as well, Divorced, beheaded and died, divorced, beheaded and survived, some might say I ruined their lives...

 

[Barbarella]

He was employable, but no more. At the height of his popularity he should have been saving, not spending to fly teens in and buying expensive cars, and made relationships with sponsors and companies that would have allowed him to pivot into another career.

He could have become a social media manager as an example, for a famous individual or company. But the more he opens his mouth and the more he posts, the more obvious it becomes that he would be a liability. His books are the ravings of an immature idiot and his YouTube rants are clearly who he is and not some character. No way would anybody hire him now, even to run their twitter- the danger is real that he would say something that could get the employer in a lot of trouble.

He had lots of chances and blew them. Graveyard Girl (love her or hate her) is another YouTuber who has millions of subscribers, but she’s also partnered with Tarte, created her own lip and eye palette and worked with other companies. She’s made her own styling tool set, etc . There is a guy, Jeremy Perfume who reviews perfume. That’s all he did, but with passion and verve, and now he’s working on his own formula with a company. He has the chance to become a perfumer, or nose.

They have taken advantage of things that have come their way, and I don’t recall Grug ever doing so. They’ve managed to create a community out of fans, and Grug did the opposite, pitting people against each other. He doesn’t have the intelligence or flexibility to go from YouTube to something else, as Shane and these other top Youtubers inevitably have and will.

His channel is dying, his patrons are dropping, the bills are mounting sky high. He’s so dumb he wrecked an expensive pool table he could have sold. A smart guy would have long ago come up with a plan for his future -even if youtube was the same as it used to be, Grug is getting older and there are few successes over 50, even 40, so he always should have thought ahead. He should have been taking meetings with any company willing to listen or who had an idea. But no...I’m not even sure Grug fully understands his Youtube career is over. Maybe he thinks it’s hust a slump.

Once he understands, he’ll be too much of a liability for anyone to take on. He’s only qualified for minimum wage work.

We’ll probably see the Troy and Cloey show soon enough.

Especially now that they can’t kill themselves with blackberry thorns.

 

[Count groudon]

Also, a houseguest's experience was leaked where she mentions he yells at his son for losing at video games. I also don't have the sauce for these, but all of this has been sauced appropriately earlier in the thread.

Oh it’s even better than you think. Onion doesn’t yell at his kid for being bad at games, it’s quite the opposite. He yells at his son for beating him in games. That’s right, this grown-ass man loses his shit at his young son because he’s better at him in video games.

 

[Blonde Bomb]

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He was employable, but no more. At the height of his popularity he should have been saving, not spending to fly teens in and buying expensive cars, and made relationships with sponsors and companies that would have allowed him to pivot into another career.

He could have become a social media manager as an example, for a famous individual or company. But the more he opens his mouth and the more he posts, the more obvious it becomes that he would be a liability. His books are the ravings of an immature idiot and his YouTube rants are clearly who he is and not some character. No way would anybody hire him now, even to run their twitter- the danger is real that he would say something that could get the employer in a lot of trouble.

He had lots of chances and blew them. Graveyard Girl (love her or hate her) is another YouTuber who has millions of subscribers, but she’s also partnered with Tarte, created her own lip and eye palette and worked with other companies. She’s made her own styling tool set, etc . There is a guy, Jeremy Perfume who reviews perfume. That’s all he did, but with passion and verve, and now he’s working on his own formula with a company. He has the chance to become a perfumer, or nose.

They have taken advantage of things that have come their way, and I don’t recall Grug ever doing so. They’ve managed to create a community out of fans, and Grug did the opposite, pitting people against each other. He doesn’t have the intelligence or flexibility to go from YouTube to something else, as Shane and these other top Youtubers inevitably have and will.

His channel is dying, his patrons are dropping, the bills are mounting sky high. He’s so dumb he wrecked an expensive pool table he could have sold. A smart guy would have long ago come up with a plan for his future -even if youtube was the same as it used to be, Grug is getting older and there are few successes over 50, even 40, so he always should have thought ahead. He should have been taking meetings with any company willing to listen or who had an idea. But no...I’m not even sure Grug fully understands his Youtube career is over. Maybe he thinks it’s hust a slump.

Once he understands, he’ll be too much of a liability for anyone to take on. He’s only qualified for minimum wage work.

We’ll probably see the Troy and Cloey show soon enough.

Especially now that they can’t kill themselves with blackberry thorns.

He didn't and won't change with the times. People's sense of humor changes & evolves and when content creators fail to do that, they get left in the dust. Big time YouTubers have changed and evolved with their audiences, that's what makes them successful. Look at his beloved Shane. Look at his content from like 2008 and now. It's evolved. Because that's how you stay relevent.

Gurg has not and will not evolve. He's still making the same tired content he made when he first started YouTube. And of course, it's not him, it's everyone else's fault.

He's beating a dead horse. It's not even a corpse anymore, it's a festering, maggot infested carcass.

 

[alittlebifurious]

Oh it’s even better than you think. Onion doesn’t yell at his kid for being bad at games, it’s quite the opposite. He yells at his son for beating him in games. That’s right, this grown-ass man loses his shit at his young son because he’s better at him in video games.

I thought that he was playing in a team with his son, against Lainey and her new GIRLFRAN, and the son caused their team to lose so he went off on him repeatedly? I forget what her name was, but I believe it was the very last one they had shipped to them. Her story got leaked, and it was shared here. I'll go dumpster diving and see if I find it. If/when I do, I will edit this post.

Edit: Aha! Sauce

The specific screen shot mentioning it is the fifth one or second row, middle.

 

[sugarcummies]

They have taken advantage of things that have come their way, and I don’t recall Grug ever doing so. They’ve managed to create a community out of fans, and Grug did the opposite, pitting people against each other. He doesn’t have the intelligence or flexibility to go from YouTube to something else, as Shane and these other top Youtubers inevitably have and will.

If you look at Shane, he's one of the few youtubers I think will eventually end up doing content on a higher level, like a Netflix or Hulu series. Not to mention the relationship he's built with sponsors and the connections Jeffree Star can give him in the real estate and makeup biz. Shane is everything Greg aspires to be. Making millions doing creative content, rich friends, stable life, rabid fan base that will look past your flaws.

 

[Rip_In_Pepperino]

Ah, thank you for the clarification. I know you cannot be jailed for private debt (no debtors prison) only federal debt (how mob bosses got jailed). I just didn't know how they went about it.so they will just skim off his income and he won't get income tax returns on his kids unless he pays it off. Taylor better get her transtrender ass pregnant ASAP to get more rebate kids.

You can be jailed for not paying debt to the local government, like court fees, even if you don't have the means to pay; it amounts to debtor's prison for poor people.

BTW, the "return" is the document you file to tell the government how much you paid and how much you owed, and if you get any money back, that's called a "refund" rather than a return; also, it costs more to raise a kid than you'd get back when you file your tax return, especially now that personal exemptions are gone, and I never understood the logic behind people who claim others keep pumping out kids for the rebate money.

Aahhhhhh explains the Wesly Snipes issue. It was always told he went to jail for tax evasion and failure to pay. So it was an inaccurate article.

That didn't explain it: He went to jail on three failure-to-file counts, all misdemeanors (he was also charged with, but acquitted of, "conspiracy to defraud the United States" but curiously not "tax evasion").

 

[AnOminous]

That didn't explain it: He went to jail on three failure-to-file counts, all misdemeanors (he was also charged with, but acquitted of, "conspiracy to defraud the United States" but curiously not "tax evasion").

Contrary to the vast majority of the laws where "ignorance of the law is no excuse," tax evasion requires the specific intent to evade taxes, not a completely delusional belief that taxes are not owed, even when the unreasonableness of the belief might lead to conviction of other crimes for which ignorance is not a defense.

In short, to violate criminal tax evasion laws, one must actually have the intent to violate the tax code, not merely intentionally commit the actus reus.

 

[JoyQ]

Try explaining that to someone who worked in tech during the dot com boom. YouTube can be shut off like a light bulb. It isn't a real job.

If we judge the real ness of a job by if it can be taken away in an instant then most jobs are not real.

Any store can shut down; any company can go bankrupt. People show up for work all the time just to find out their work place is no more.

 

[bigshot]

If we judge the real ness of a job by if it can be taken away in an instant then most jobs are not real. Any store can shut down; any company can go bankrupt. People show up for work all the time just to find out their work place is no more.

If a store closes down, you can go work for another store. If YouTube changes its pay structure and algorithm to ace out YouTube celebrities, where do they go? There is no other place to get paid to do stupid stuff like that. That's what I was referring to. YouTube celebrity isn't a real job. It's a scam that works until YouTube doesn't want it to any more.

 

[Erica]

If a store closes down, you can go work for another store. If YouTube changes its pay structure and algorithm to ace out YouTube celebrities, where do they go? There is no other place to get paid to do stupid stuff like that. That's what I was referring to. YouTube celebrity isn't a real job. It's a scam that works until YouTube doesn't want it to any more.

Twitch or Younow are probably the most obvious separate avenues. Additionally, he could stop relying on ad revenue and more heavily rely on Patreon and merchandise sales, as well as get sponsorships and speaking opportunities.

There are also some other competition that’s up in the air such as mixer and Facebook that you can become partnered on.

Greg just has zero opportunities available to him because his content and reputation are trash. Nobody will sign him on for anything. Patreon is maybe his best bet, but he needs to make a shitload more to cover his debts.

 

[BScCollateral]

If a store closes down, you can go work for another store. If YouTube changes its pay structure and algorithm to ace out YouTube celebrities, where do they go? There is no other place to get paid to do stupid stuff like that. That's what I was referring to. YouTube celebrity isn't a real job. It's a scam that works until YouTube doesn't want it to any more.

I've never heard someone claim that "real jobs" involve skills that transfer.

And even that isn't true of YouTube. If YouTube shut down, there's nothing keeping content creators from hosting their own material.

 

[spicy cheesy ramen]

If a store closes down, you can go work for another store. If YouTube changes its pay structure and algorithm to ace out YouTube celebrities, where do they go? There is no other place to get paid to do stupid stuff like that. That's what I was referring to. YouTube celebrity isn't a real job. It's a scam that works until YouTube doesn't want it to any more.

I don’t think you’re giving top youtubers enough credit for what they do. They’re entertainers first, celebrities second. They know how to be popular and not every random person can do that (Onion, for example). Even if the content is dumb af, like the videos that Trisha Paytas makes, people like her still know how to pander to an audience. She does stupid shit on purpose and has admitted to it. And there will always be a market for this stuff, it won’t die with youtube

 

[AnOminous]

And even that isn't true of YouTube. If YouTube shut down, there's nothing keeping content creators from hosting their own material.

Other than that they won't make any money. So I suppose if not making money isn't any problem for you with a "job," you can do that.

 

[BScCollateral]

Other than that they won't make any money. So I suppose if not making money isn't any problem for you with a "job," you can do that.

PewDePie's stated he made more money selling one baseball hat than he gets from YouTube.

 

[AnOminous]

PewDePie's stated he made more money selling one baseball hat than he gets from YouTube.

Onision is not and never will be PewDiePie.