💰 Grifter Carl Benjamin / Sargon of Akkad / Akkad Daily / The Thinkery / @not_sargon / @WarPlanPurple - Leader of the "Liberalists" & Droning Pseudo-Intellectual Boomer anti-SJW Activist, Applebees Waiter, Mass Shooter Whiteknight

[Hellbound Hellhound]

I fucking love the utter clusterfuck that is the modern atheist/skeptic community. Fuck them all.

The whole thing fell apart after Hitchens died. He said it better than anyone else could, and now that the community has ran out of things to talk about, they've moved on to sperging about other subjects that satisfy their sense of smug superiority: the most notable of which being 'social justice'.

 

[Registered Human]

Okay, so this is going to be done in 30 minute increments because there's only so much I can take at once. I tried to include as much detail as I could so that people who don't want to sit through this autism don't miss anything. Any comments made by me are in parentheses, the rest is 0:00-31:24 presented as objectively as I could. I think it gets less objective as it goes on because Sargon kept repeating the same points and it was starting to piss me off.

Spoiler: Really long shit

The Great Sargon vs Carrier Autism-stravaganza 2018, Part 1

Begins with an announcer talking about the two debaters. They got a moderator this time around because apparently the last one sucked, so they’re hoping this goes somewhere.

I didn’t actually know what Carrier looked like, he’s got the classic dweeb look that makes you want to shove him into a locker. Sargon is fat as usual.

Sargon is fiddling around a lot, maybe with his mic? He really seems nervous, he keeps shifting in his chair, looking around and fucking with shit like the water on the table. Carrier looks more relaxed and is leaning back.

Moderator says he wants the discussion to be freeform (what’s the point of the moderator then?)

First question is posed to Carrier, which is the title of the panel: Where do social justice, the secular community and identity politics meet?

Carrier says that atheists should care about the world and others in order to not prove theists correct about the whole “if you are an atheist, then you have no morals and are essentially a hedonist” thing. He says that social justice is a way to address discrimination and that not all approaches to social justice are acceptable. He says that discrimination is present in modern society and that atheists do not necessarily have to endorse all types of social justice, but that atheists should concern themselves with these issues instead of ignoring them because of some bad apples in the community.

Sargon replies that the relationship described between the two groups also applies to social justice and any other group that could exist, because social justice is bad and all communities want social justice people to go away. He says that Carrier/social justice warriors should not be forcing people to be compassionate and that compassion must come organically. He brings up the furry community as an example of a community that has been torn up by social justice as a joke. He accuses social justice warriors of being tyrants and de-platforming/censoring others. He states that since social justice is inherently hegemonic, it can not coexist with other groups and seeks to overtake all of them. He then says something to Carrier about “do you not feel that you’re in the midst of a revolution?”

Carrier says no, but he agrees that there are serious issues with SJW extremism. However, he says that you should not throw out the idea of social justice because some people who promote it are bad. He says it’s a fallacy to do so. (Sort of like the counter argument to the old SJW metaphor about poisoned M&Ms as a defense for being distrustful of all men. I think the fallacy is called a false generalization, when you apply a general rule to something based off of a few cases.)

Sargon agrees that there are good SJWs, but that they are the minority and they do not represent the whole. Carrier tries to respond but Sargon barrels over him and says that they have both had experiences with the radicalized portion of the community. He brings up the accusations of sexual abuse against Carrier and asks how he can defend that.

Carrier says that Sargon is repeating the same points, and Sargon begins talking over him again and says that by SJW standards Carrier is a bad person. Carrier repeats that he is not defending radicalized SJW culture, and accuses Sargon of only focusing on that. Sargon says that the radicals are hurting people. Carrier brings up some examples of professionals who support social justice through programs. Sargon says that doesn’t undo the damage. Carrier says they can’t control the others and probably don’t know that they exist, to which Sargon responds that it doesn’t matter if they’re around because they’re not policing the community.

Carrier says that more reasonable social justice warriors should be more critical of others rather than chucking all of social justice. Sargon says that no one can have a proper discussion/criticism of SJWs and tells Carrier to shut up when he disagrees. He says that Mythcon came under fire for hosting the debate and asks where the good SJWs are. Carrier says that they’re probably outside doing actual social justice instead of caring about this (lol). Carrier says that they should try to get those people involved and Sargon says that they won’t get involved.

Carrier says that the problem is the extremism, not the problems that social justice addresses. Sargon says that social justice only concerns itself with not accepting things and offers no solutions. Carrier starts offering examples and Sargon shoots him down while he’s talking, saying he’s not interested in discussing individual policies. Carrier asks if Sargon is dismissing the problem and Sargon says that he is dismissing the SJW solutions to problems. Carrier asks if passing legislation to support abortion is not acceptable as a solution. Sargon says no, because “we’re nowhere near there”. (???) Carrier tries to say something and Sargon accuses him of trying to interrupt.

Carrier accuses him of repeating the same fallacy of generalization over and over again. Sargon says that’s how it works, Carrier says it’s not. Carrier says that the people Sargon are talking about are just people arguing on the internet, Sargon starts talking about how Parliament is feminist. Carrier asks him to give him an American example and Sargon gave the example of the woman who said that her job was to shut down white people. Carrier wants to talk about societal problems and Sargon says that they can’t get there because SJWs are insufferable. Carrier says that he is a counter-example and Sargon says that Carrier is defending radicalized SJWs.

Carrier goes back on the abortion rights issue, and says that rational solutions to problems should be pursued. Sargon shuts down the topic of debate again and talks about the Reason Rally in 2012 vs 2016. He brings up “get woke, go broke” and Carrier accuses him of not having causality. Sargon repeats that activists are insufferable and Carrier tells him to prove the causality of SJWs reducing attendance at the Reason Rally. Sargon asks if Carrier is denying him his experience and Carrier laughs. Sargon yells at him to storm off the stage and Carrier says that Sargon is disingenuous and is strawmannirg really hard.

Carrier accuses Sargon of putting words in his mouth and not listening to Carrier’s actual points. Sargon says Carrier won’t stay on topic. Moderator jumps in and asks Carrier to clarify his point. Carrier repeats that there are certain issues that should be cared about and the existence of radicals should not affect one’s decision to care about them. Just because you support solving a problem does not mean you support the crazies who try to solve it in a crazy way.

Sargon asks why Carrier tried to make the topic about abortion (??????) and Carrier says that he was giving an example. Sargon accuses him of deflecting. Sargon says he doesn’t care about the social justice issues. Carrier says that Sargon has a different definition of social justice and is only referring to extremists. Carrier tells him to use another word if he’s getting hung up on the word. Sargon asks how you can have group justice and what about women who don’t want abortions. Carrier says you’re working against them to get the rights and Sargon says that “then you’re not working for all women.” Carrier asks if he’s for limiting access to abortion. Sargon does not give a stance and tells him to stop changing the subject. They argue a bit.

Sargon goes back to SJWs affecting communities. Carrier says he’s committing a fallacy of generalization again. Sargon says there’s too many bad actors for it to be a fallacy. Carrier brings up when Sargon says that all SJWs were Marxists because one quoted Marx. Sargon says that they are all Marxists. Carrier laughs again.

Sargon brings up Foucault (i guess for normalizing judgement?) and some other philosopher’s name I don’t recognize. He brings up the dichotomy that SJWs promote of hating oppressors. Carrier brings up that there are others who would repudiate what Sargon says. Carrier says that Sargon is viewing SJWs in a weird binary way where one controls the other and he says that it’s really about people who are disruptive and people who are busy doing shit.

Sargon says that he never said that all SJWs are bad actors and Carrier is a minority. Carrier says that the majority of SJWs don’t argue about shit on the internet. Carrier talks about the push of social justice rationalists to make the others rational. Sargon says that Carrier is a pariah among his own community. Sargon says that the issues Carrier cares about will be solved, but not through the procedures of social justice. Carrier disagrees with his definition yet again and tells him to stop conflating social justice issues with extremists.

Sargon pulls up the statistic that Carrier said was fake before and Carrier immediately jumps and accuses him of framing a statistic that Carrier specifically stated was hypothetical as being real for a gotcha moment. Carrier gets him to agree that it’s a hypothetical. Sargon wants to know what his plan is. Carrier says that he’s addressing the problems through his own actions and that there are others like him. Sargon says that he would not define those people as SJWs and Carrier agrees. Sargon says to put them aside and talk about the majority bullying people on Twitter. Carrier says they should criticize them. Carrier and Sargon argue about what the solution is on SJW extremists.

Carrier calls for the audience opinion on who likes him and who agrees that there are extremists. He uses that to show that there are more than a select few like Sargon says and says that Sargon is helping fix social justice when he calls out SJWs on his show. Sargon says, “If I can’t fix it with 850,000 subscribers, you can’t fix it with 5,000 subscribers,” and is openly booed.

My opinion so far: Sargon is approaching this with the same aggression he usually approaches debate, but has been unable to get a huge rise out of Carrier save for some laughs. Carrier framed his definition of social justice at the very beginning, but Sargon refuses to work under that definition and keeps using "social justice" to refer to extremists. Among the dumb shit that Sargon has done, these were the major points I've noted so far--

1. Constant generalizations.
2. Appealing to emotion with the whole "we've experienced harassment on the internet" thing.
3. Namedropping philosophers without really explaining what point he's trying to make.
4. The total bitch comment at the end about subscriber count. Seriously, what the fuck?

A bad showing. I don't even think Carrier is doing that well, but he doesn't need to do anything. Sargon is gladly hanging himself without any assistance, all Carrier has to do is stay calm and he's got this one in the bag. I hope that the recap really gives you a sense of how many times Sargon has repeated the same point over and over, it's fucking insufferable.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Watching the debate now. Both of these people are fucking insufferable pricks.

Carrier keeps saying "Not all social justice activists are like that" and Carl comes across as a belligerent bar bore.

Edit watched a bit more. I'm beginning to think I support the Molyneuxism-Tonkasawism idea that the time for reasoned debate and dialectic is over and we need to get ready to rumble

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Sargon was introduced as a "Dungeon master" Jesus fucking christ the cringe. The other guy came accross as reasonble and nueanced while sargon came accross as a strawmanning dismissive asshole sjw caricature.

Even in the points were sargon was right/correct and could score easy points, he was being so angry, dismissive and self righteous, the other guy easily dealt with them by just remaining silent and letting sargon whip himself into a frenzy.


Most of the debate was sargon saying extremists are bad, the other guy being nuanced and agreeing with him, and sargon telling him to shut up while smugly chickling and repeating his name.

I could hardly last through the cringefest with Sargon constantly chuckling and saying "Richard, Richard, Richard, Richard, Richard"

If the names were reversed and "social justice" was swaped out for "liberalism" sargon would have been the SJW and the other guy would have been the reasonable person.

There is that. Also the one in the mythcon debate where he says "and the alt-right are correct" when you strip out a little context

I would be interested to know how many uninformed people are coming to lolcow boards to get their Sarg'n related opinions. I'm operating under the idea that I'm shitposting in a little corner of the internet that most people don't visit or take too seriously, but I'm pretty open to being wrong and surprised

All I'm saying is, instead of arming people with blanks, arm them with live ammo, because there's more than enough of it to go around and it's more fun to watch it go off.

People were calling him a mysoginist for half a decade and nothing happened. Pedophilia quotes came out and sargon "quit" politics withing a week.


It's not solely just uninformed people, not everyone visits the thread regularily, it has 350 pages, some of them containing gold, that not everyone is going to wade through.

If you shit on sargon, keeping it a live ammo feed to catch people up to date with stuff they can actually attack him with that they might have missed otherwise, is more productive and has far greater results than overrused accusations that we know have little to no effect.

 

[Ask Jeeves]

I could hardly last through the cringefest with Sargon constantly chuckling and saying "Richard, Richard, Richard, Richard, Richard"

Sargon needs to stop debating Richard's, they always give him a thorough dick'in.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Sargon needs to stop debating Richard's, they always give him a thorough dick'in.

For people who missed the legendary pun, "Dick" is short for "Richard"


But yes. Richards do seem to fuck with sargon for some reason. His brain short circuits everytime he debates one.

 

[IwemduWarrior]

3. Namedropping philosophers without really explaining what point he's trying to make.
4. The total bitch comment at the end about subscriber count. Seriously, what the fuck?

A bad showing. I don't even think Carrier is doing that well, but he doesn't need to do anything. Sargon is gladly hanging himself without any assistance, all Carrier has to do is stay calm and he's got this one in the bag. I hope that the recap really gives you a sense of how many times Sargon has repeated the same point over and over, it's fucking insufferable.

Locke, Montesque, Stewart Mill, Hobbes, Plato, Socrates, Herschel I know all these names from my 9th grade sparknotes does that make a philosophy expert, it is according to sargon.

this pretty much encapsulates my thoughts on sargons knowledge

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Sargon needs to stop debating Richard's, they always give him a thorough dick'in.

Maybe it's all a cunning plan. If you look at the postings people dug up from a few years ago he comes across as white identitarian. Maybe he's trying to lose against identitarians because he secretly wants then to win.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

"You're not equiped for this conversation, you don't know your own ideology"

"If you're not repared for this conversation, then hopefuly next year..."

"Shut up I'm not answer any of your questions"

"Shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up"

"You know you're fucked"


Do I even need to add commentary to these quotes


Mods, can we get the poll at the top changed?

Which Richard dicked sargon the hardest?

Spencer or Carrier?

 

[instythot]

Sargon was introduced as a "Dungeon master" Jesus fucking christ the cringe.

I would be very interested to know if the Mythcon people ask their speakers to provide bullet points for the introductions, or if they decided on their own that was one of his most notable acheivements

 

[Lillith1991]

The whole lot of the skeptic/atheist community is full of retarded, hypocritical, fat neckbeards who think they're smart just because they're successful on Youtube and because of that, think they're above criticism as a whole. Hell, I became religious again just because I hate being associated with these fucking morons. I'd rather be associated with the likes of VenomFangX and Kirk Cameron than morons like Sargoy who think "muh individualism" is the end all be all to everything.

These fucks are some of the most insufferable cunts around. Sargoy is a hypocrite because he supported Candid and is only butthurt about free speech because it effects his ad revenue from Youtube. If the content he was creating was actually endorsed by Google and they actually didn't demonetize any of his content, these fucking spergs like Sargoy, ArmoredSkeptic, ComputingForever, ShoeOnHead, etc. wouldn't say shit about free speech.


When religious people were getting censored from these websites way before they were, they didn't complain at all. The only Youtuber I even like in the skeptic community anymore is Thunderf00t, because he isn't a fucking shill for "muh ad revenue" and he's stated plenty of times before that he'd continue making videos even if his entire channel was demonetized.

So I honestly don't even feel sorry for these fucks who only bitch about free speech when they lose ad revenue. THAT'S THE ONLY FUCKING REASON they're even campaigning for free speech in the first place.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

So I honestly don't even feel sorry for these fucks who only bitch about free speech when they lose ad revenue. THAT'S THE ONLY FUCKING REASON they're even campaigning for free speech in the first place.

"What would you do if you were prime minister?"

"I don't know. Well now that I think about it, no writen constitution but digital bill of rights definitely."

Is sargon aware there's a world outside youtube

 

[instythot]

"You're not equiped for this conversation, you don't know your own ideology"

"If you're not repared for this conversation, then hopefuly next year..."

"Shut up I'm not answer any of your questions"

"Shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up"

"You know you're fucked"


Do I even need to add commentary to these quotes


Mods, can we get the poll at the top changed?

Which Richard dicked sargon the hardest?

Spencer or Carrier?

Why was a moderator even there? I don't recall anyone stepping in to suggest that Carl possibly consider acting like an adult

"What would you do if you were prime minister?"

"I don't know. Well now that I think about it, no writen constitution but digital bill of rights definitely."

Is sargon aware there's a world outside youtube

"If you're not interested in party politics, why are you even joining the party?"

Edit: He did mention that he was a UKIP member when arguing a SJW, didn't he? Or was that in the Q&A?

 

[Lillith1991]

"What would you do if you were prime minister?"

"I don't know. Well now that I think about it, no writen constitution but digital bill of rights definitely."

Is sargon aware there's a world outside youtube

Ha, I bet the only thing Sargoy cares about that isn't on Youtube is hitting on trannies.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

"If you're not interested in party politics, why are you even joining the party?"

Edit: He did mention that he was a UKIP member when arguing a SJW, didn't he? Or was that in the Q&A?

He said "I want to say I'm a UKIP member when arguing with SJWs" to the guy who asked him why he joined if he's not intrested in party politics.

 

[Ask Jeeves]

"What would you do if you were prime minister?"

"I don't know. Well now that I think about it, no writen constitution but digital bill of rights definitely."

Is sargon aware there's a world outside youtube

That bit got me also, he said that a written constitution wouldn't resonate with British people or the British wouldn't be receptive. I don't even know what that means.

Another part that stood out was he dismissed one of Richards arguments as 'Utilitarian'. If Sargon had read any of the liberal philosophy he flaunts he would've known that most Liberal philosophers he quotes were Utilitarian thinkers. Utilitarian thinking was developed in tandem with Liberalism, especially British liberalism which I've heard him identify as. He just throws these terms around though without any thought.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

There's this gem at the very last frame of the video, Sargon the Redeemer/Sargon T-Posing.

Very exploitable. Someone caption it.

Is he actually that fat, is the image just that unflattering, or is it just an ill fitting ̶s̶u̶i̶t̶ shirt making him look fat? I'm assuming a combination of all three.

 

[instythot]

He said "I want to say I'm a UKIP member when arguing with SJWs" to the guy who asked him why he joined if he's not intrested in party politics.

I was getting at how the UKIP kid was awfully perceptive about Carl's level of interest in politics. Literally a "Uhh, I don't know. A digital bill of rights I guess?" when asked what policies he would put in place if he had the power

Yeah, but did he actually do it in this debate? or was that just during the Q&A?

There's this gem at the very last frame of the video, Sargon the Redeemer/Sargon T-Posing.

Very exploitable. Someone caption it.

Wyświetl załącznik 561952



Is he actually that fat, is the image just that unflattering, or is it just an ill fitting ̶s̶u̶i̶t̶ shirt making him look fat? I'm assuming a combination of all three.

I was going to say "I bet his one good shirt fit better when he bought it years ago", but then I remembered his ability to pick out a suit that fits

 

[Bob Barker]

Sargon needs to stop debating Richard's, they always give him a thorough dick'in.

Maybe Sargon has tourette syndrome and every time he gets nervous in a debate in front of a lot of people he just blurts out "Richard, Richard, Richard!" and he only debates Richards when its going to be in front of a large crowd because he knows he can't control himself.

Maybe smuckling is another one of his ticks.

 

[Bob Barker]

There's this gem at the very last frame of the video, Sargon the Redeemer/Sargon T-Posing.

Very exploitable. Someone caption it.

Wyświetl załącznik 561952



Is he actually that fat, is the image just that unflattering, or is it just an ill fitting ̶s̶u̶i̶t̶ shirt making him look fat? I'm assuming a combination of all three.

Wait a minute...

Is that the same shirt from the milo flirting video and his suit?