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I just kinda wonder what ol' Georgie thinks about all this. People gave him crap for years over the prequels (and the edits) and were cheering when Disney took over the franchise. Now the Disney movies are controversial in their own right to the point people are using the prequels to attack them. Critics who praised the movie are now trying to say the backlash is coming from upset fanboys while I can't help but remember Spoony was one of the first people to speak out against The Phantom Menace (back when he did reviews for magazines) and got hate mail for it.
 
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TFA didn't do anything for me and the divisive reactions to this sure don't make me want to see it either.

I am definitely looking forward to the Half in the Bag review of TLJ though.
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The plinkett review too

I thought it was bullshit that they killed off Luke, but I guess he’s more powerful than we can possibly imagine now. Maybe he sacrificed himself so that he can guide Rey like Obi-Wan did for him.
 
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I liked it, it was a great action movie but it felt like it was too fronting with the whole Ghibli-Miyazaki grey tone. Normies can't understand.

I knew it was inevitable that characters had to die and the factions had to be windled down to nothing, they are trying to rebuild their foundation and then expand.

I felt like the destruction of the Jedi books was just a whole euphorism about Disney deleting canon and Yoda comes by and goes "forget all that shit man things different." He may as well looked at the camera and critically looked at us all.

I like the fact that the Old Republic was on one of the pages of the Jedi Books that got burnt (or were they stashed on the Falcon?), which was a nice nod indeed.

A Star Wars group I was in basically self destructed after the admins watched TLJ. They are upset about Finn not being Gay, Rey not being Obi-Wan's Daughter, Death of Luke and Snoke and NO KYLUX RELATIONSHIP and they wanted to continue on like it didn't happen, yeah I can accept ignoring a book or two but just telling people to ignore the fucking films cause they didn't like the new canon is the dumbest move I have ever seen.
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Actually, if you pay attention in the last scene on the Falcon, Rey stole the books to preserve the old Jedi teachings. Yoda was just trolling Luke.
As for my overall thoughts, I really enjoyed the film, it got rid of those idiotic Midichlorians concept, and threw some interesting curveballs that I didn’t see coming.
Killing Snoke was also interesting, and set up episode 9 as less of a RotJ remake, because Snoke had to be killed sometime, why not bring in an altered concept of what would happen if Vader killed the Emperor before the War ended?
 
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Movie review of TLJ courtesy of a long-running lolcow.
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The plinkett review too

I thought it was bullshit that they killed off Luke, but I guess he’s more powerful than we can possibly imagine now. Maybe he sacrificed himself so that he can guide Rey like Obi-Wan did for him.
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I'd prefer it if
Luke used his ghost powers to fuck with Kylo
 
I was actually really looking forward to Snoke ever since TFA. I thought to myself that they were keeping him a it under wraps in that film cause they wanted to build him up in 8 and have him all set to be the big baddy in 9. I was really digging whenever he was onscreen and showing how ridiculously powerful he was and i looked forward to them giving at least a bit of backstory to how he came out of nowhere to fill this power vacuum.... nah fuck that, just have someone use the force to turn a lightsaber on to kill him in the middle of a monologue.

Same thing goes for Phasma. I remember before TFA everyone was talking about how much she was gonna matter and was so badass just to have her be so forgettable and be of no consequence as a character. Then I heard them say "Oh just wait for the next one that will flesh everything out". Didn't turn out to be the case for Phasma or virtually any other character imo (Kylo and Poe are probably the only other characters I cared about and thought really got to grow). I don't know, it just felt like the film couldn't focus on a singular story and had to jump around every five minutes. I didn't like TFA since it played it all as safe as humanly possible and i thought the characters were set up in a way that says "you don't need a reason why but care about these characters and don't question it" rather than try to actually put them out there with an bit of backstory that give you a taste of who they are. But at least it had familiarity to the rest of the franchise, something that TLJ seems to be trying to push away as much as possible, making this "trilogy" a giant fuckup tonally at least.
 
... The ending of TLJ in a nutshell


Usually we teach children not to hero worship, but to apply more critical thinking. But then again, we have people gushing about the multi-racial cast while ignoring their fuck ups and shortcomings. Guess the movie was preaching to that choir huh?
 
I honestly have no interest in seeing TLJ after TFA and reading spoilers. The whole trilogy is suffering from what I call 'X-Files Syndrome', in that it didn't have a plan as to what to do with all these mysteries, characters and questions so everything is kind of underwhelming, all over the place and falls on its face as a result.

Reading about it makes it seem like an uneven, incompetent film. That and I was never really that big of a Star Wars fanboy to begin with doesn't really motivate me. Not to mention Disney is pretty much, literally and figuratively, burning the bridges to the Lucas films with little care to how that goes as long as they burn. Which is why they didn't do the obvious thing and use the Thrawn Trilogy and just re-cast everybody since it takes place five years after the end of Return of the Jedi. They are re-casting iconic roles anyway, they could do it for that if they wanted. But like I said, they want everything before Disney burned to ashes and cut-off, no matter how popular they were.

To me, the middle three Star Wars films didn't need any addendum or prequels or sequels. They left a lot to the imagination and were a neat little bow at the end. It kind of feels extremely forced how they are doing things and I feel like I watched more of a product than a film with TFA. Seeing that not much changed on that front makes me pretty apathetic.

Daisy Ridley is confirmed for leaving after 9, which makes me think they will set the movies farther in the future so that everybody involved is long dead. Or they'll just do prequels and side stories until the whole fucking thing is pummeled into the ground.
 
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I was actually really looking forward to Snoke ever since TFA. I thought to myself that they were keeping him a it under wraps in that film cause they wanted to build him up in 8 and have him all set to be the big baddy in 9. I was really digging whenever he was onscreen and showing how ridiculously powerful he was and i looked forward to them giving at least a bit of backstory to how he came out of nowhere to fill this power vacuum.... nah fuck that, just have someone use the force to turn a lightsaber on to kill him in the middle of a monologue.

Same thing goes for Phasma. I remember before TFA everyone was talking about how much she was gonna matter and was so badass just to have her be so forgettable and be of no consequence as a character. Then I heard them say "Oh just wait for the next one that will flesh everything out". Didn't turn out to be the case for Phasma or virtually any other character imo (Kylo and Poe are probably the only other characters I cared about and thought really got to grow). I don't know, it just felt like the film couldn't focus on a singular story and had to jump around every five minutes. I didn't like TFA since it played it all as safe as humanly possible and i thought the characters were set up in a way that says "you don't need a reason why but care about these characters and don't question it" rather than try to actually put them out there with an bit of backstory that give you a taste of who they are. But at least it had familiarity to the rest of the franchise, something that TLJ seems to be trying to push away as much as possible, making this "trilogy" a giant fuckup tonally at least.
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That's just how these movies are written. JJ Abrams, Lawrence Kasdan, and Michael Arndt wrote Snoke and Phasma in Ep 7 with no real clue what was going to happen in Ep 8, then Rian Johnson wrote Ep 8 building on what happened in Ep 7. My understanding is the Ep 7 authors didn't really know the answers to all the big questions they were setting up (What happened with Luke and Kylo, who Rey's parents were, who Snoke was) and didn't really care what happened to any of the characters they wrote after their movie was done.

They're making this shit up as they go along.
 
I hated this movie almost as much as Roger Ebert hated North.

That whole fucking casino planet this was worthless and extended the running time for a plot development that basically meant nothing. I don't care what fucking FilmRobert has to say about that giant gorram sequence, the stinger would have been more effective and interesting if we hadn't seen that stupid kid in the first place.

Also Luke didn't get to do anything cool before he Kenobi'd out of existence. A massive waste. At least Yodel looked like a stupid fucking broken puppet.
 
Out of curiosity I did not see anything about it.

Is there a replacement or a darker evil for that snook dude in the next film or is it literally just that tall fucking nerd sith with the big nose and space hitler? I aint paying a single fucking penny to watch this movie.
 
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Why are they acting like the audience score being low has to be some big conspiracy, as though Star Wars fans aren't actually that picky?
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They are angry that the audience doesn't have a listen and consume mentality as I expect the mixed and negative word of mouth to cause a massive dip in ticket sales next week with perhaps a 60% or higher drop for a Star Wars movie
 
I took the advice of people here to watch it after drinking a few beers. I underestimated it; should have drunk moar beer :\
 
I'm gonna say it, this movie was way better than the Force Awakens. Yes it drags on space Monaco, and yes it's still a bit derivative of episode 5 (and interestingly of 6 too) but it also did way more original stuff than Force Awakens did, went in an interesting way with some set-ups that nobody really expected but turned out to work really well in my opinion, and also featured some great exploration of Kylo Ren, interesting development of Rey and an actual character arc for Poe. Plus it didnt hinge on nostalgia nearly as much as Force Awakens, and I liked that. There was also a lot more moral ambiguity, and a somewhat blurrier line between light side and dark side, and I really dug that. It's nice that they're experimenting with the formula, rather than just having another emperor/vader pair as the baddies.

It also needs to be said that the space battle scenes were easily the best since at least return of the jedi, and that they did a great job of establishing a tense tone that somehow doesn't feel undermined by the humour. (at least in my opinion).

If I had to make a complaint I'd say that Finn's development was a bit cliched, without spoiling anything. You can kinda tell where his arc for the movie is going to go fairly early on, and it doesn't necessarily feel like a logical starting point after the Force Awakens. I don't think they ruined the character, but it could've probably been a bit better. There's also a Leia scene, already much talked about, that felt really bizarre. That kinda briefly took me out of the movie.

I didn't mind Luke being broody. In the context of the story it makes sense to me. Whenever you question his actions it's important to remember that Luke never finished his jedi training, so it makes sense for him not to have the wisdom of the old jedi masters.
 
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and that they did a great job of establishing a tense tone that somehow doesn't feel undermined by the humour.
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Take that back, Rebel scum.

My beef with the humour in TLJ is that it was much more frequent and felt more derivative - some of it was good, but a lot of it was bad. TFA's humour worked well in that the jokes were fitting. For example, BB-8 used his lighter to creatively give a thumbs-up compared to having a billion attachments seal a leak akin to a sinking ship. That and the few jokes on The First Order (Kylo smashing a computer in rage and the stormtroopers later choosing not to convey a message to him to avoid death) were not made largely at its expense as a dangerous and intimidating faction. Would it have been fun if Vader had been thrown around by the Emperor for kicks? No, it would have compromised his integrity as an imposing figure, and that's exactly what happened to Hux. He started out as a genocidal dictator and has now been reduced to a clown - a disturbing prospect to the future direction of the series.

It's a symptom of being attached to Disney, and all that it's shown is that Star Wars may inevitably become the same thing that Disney Marvel films have become - homogenous, quip-filled pieces of no significant worth with only a small veneer of what used to make the series great.
 
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