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- 6 Lis 2014
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Who said anything about payin' for movies? I just use my computer lookie box! Well you need to pay for the party likker.
- Dołączono
- 29 Kwi 2014
TFA didn't do anything for me and the divisive reactions to this sure don't make me want to see it either.
I am definitely looking forward to the Half in the Bag review of TLJ though.
I am definitely looking forward to the Half in the Bag review of TLJ though.
- Dołączono
- 1 Sty 2015
I liked it, it was a great action movie but it felt like it was too fronting with the whole Ghibli-Miyazaki grey tone. Normies can't understand.
I knew it was inevitable that characters had to die and the factions had to be windled down to nothing, they are trying to rebuild their foundation and then expand.
I felt like the destruction of the Jedi books was just a whole euphorism about Disney deleting canon and Yoda comes by and goes "forget all that shit man things different." He may as well looked at the camera and critically looked at us all.
I like the fact that the Old Republic was on one of the pages of the Jedi Books that got burnt (or were they stashed on the Falcon?), which was a nice nod indeed.
A Star Wars group I was in basically self destructed after the admins watched TLJ. They are upset about Finn not being Gay, Rey not being Obi-Wan's Daughter, Death of Luke and Snoke and NO KYLUX RELATIONSHIP and they wanted to continue on like it didn't happen, yeah I can accept ignoring a book or two but just telling people to ignore the fucking films cause they didn't like the new canon is the dumbest move I have ever seen.
I knew it was inevitable that characters had to die and the factions had to be windled down to nothing, they are trying to rebuild their foundation and then expand.
I felt like the destruction of the Jedi books was just a whole euphorism about Disney deleting canon and Yoda comes by and goes "forget all that shit man things different." He may as well looked at the camera and critically looked at us all.
I like the fact that the Old Republic was on one of the pages of the Jedi Books that got burnt (or were they stashed on the Falcon?), which was a nice nod indeed.
A Star Wars group I was in basically self destructed after the admins watched TLJ. They are upset about Finn not being Gay, Rey not being Obi-Wan's Daughter, Death of Luke and Snoke and NO KYLUX RELATIONSHIP and they wanted to continue on like it didn't happen, yeah I can accept ignoring a book or two but just telling people to ignore the fucking films cause they didn't like the new canon is the dumbest move I have ever seen.
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- Dołączono
- 6 Lis 2014
Especially over other disney films. If they said ignore it and just use the old Lucas canon, it would have been slightly less autistic. Not by much, but still.
Now I won't go into the newest kiwifarms kringe over "everybody who does/doesn't do X is a lolcow" because lolcows need to be funny. The proper way to say it is that anybody who gets ragingly upset and burns their SW shirt over a SW movie is just an idiot.
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- Dołączono
- 11 Kwi 2017
Overall I liked it, though I understand and agree with some of the criticisms, like some of the plot lines being unnecessary and fucking with the pacing.
God of Nothing
kiwifarms.net
- Dołączono
- 31 Sie 2016
Saw the movie yesterday.
It was fun for all the wrong reasons. The tone should've stayed dark instead of just being this weird shift from dramatic tension to quirky quips and CGI merchandising. Super Leia was dumb but not nearly as stupid as purple-haired general who-the-fuck-even-cares not telling her suicide plan to soldiers that just conducted a suicide bombardment that cost them tons of men and all their bombardment ships. Dead Asian sister was a good scene but her quirky sister acting all nervous and happy around Fin ruined it. The casino scene was entirely unnecessary as was the not-horses abuse. Luke is honestly the best and most disappointing part of the entire goddamn film. His backstory before Awakens sucked but his death scene was a thing of beauty. Rey, as usual, was a giant mary sue. Snoke's death was underwhelming as fuck. If Ren can't be engaging as the big bad's enforcer how the hell is he going to be better as the main villain? Captain Phasma was there, shit-talked Fin for a bit, and got blown away again. Not-Han Solo 3, the code-breaking literally who, shouldn't have been in the film at all. I don't know whether making Rey's parents a super-speshul secret would've made her come off less like a mary sue than them being just shitty people.
- Dołączono
- 25 Maj 2013
That's weird because some of the Kylux shippers I've seen have said they're gonna have even more fun after the events of the movie. Of course the stupid top vs. bottom war has been rekindled though and a lot of them don't care for how Hux was handled, but I haven't seen any of them crying about it not being canon (since it was never a canon ship in the first place). The Stormpilot shippers on the other hand...
One Man Bland
kiwifarms.net
- Dołączono
- 15 Paź 2017
Yes, women lead the way by either being put out of commission for most of the movie, being responsible for hundreds of unnecessary deaths by keeping your underlings 100% in the dark for no reason other than to give them an excuse to do something stupid, walking straight into a trap that you only manage to escape from because the Big Bad is arrogant/stupid enough to brag about what a weak pawn his apprentice is while said apprentice is in the same room, and then capping it off with the rebels only finding an escape route out of their base because of Bootleg Pokémon.
- Dołączono
- 6 Wrz 2013
Actually, when Finn gets a blanket in the falcon, you can briefly see those books. It's not even in the background, it's focused on for a second or two. Rey took those books for herself.
- Dołączono
- 21 Sie 2013
Saw it last night.
THE GOOD
- It was a better film than Rogue One imo despite its numerous flaws. There's less intellectual hand-holding where the movie assumes you have the IQ of a wooden plank and thus voices dialogue so inorganically its only purpose is to inform the viewer of current events.
- Kylo Ren is infinitely better in this film. His character is more thoroughly explored and he is less of a cranky kid with daddy issues. The power boost he is given puts him more on-par with Rey in a manner I did not expect, and that their current predicament stems from a difference in ideology is something that does the movie credit. Rey wants to hold onto the past so as to prevent repeating the same mistakes endlessly, and Kylo wants to wipe the board clean and start anew, since the past is the cause of the current conflict. Both sides of the Force continuously fluctuate and compensate to achieve balance, and I can respect that.
- As begrudging as I am to say it, Rey is a better character in this film than I anticipated. I gave her the benefit of the doubt in TFA since Luke was a bit of a Gary Stu in A New Hope in retrospect. What made The Empire Strikes Back so good is that it put Luke through a Gallery of Fail to make him earn his stripes. He was made more human and it was rewarding to see him rise again in Return of the Jedi. This film makes her better in that Kylo's equivalent power means she's not the new Starkiller; she is evenly-matched and isn't the be-all-end-all to Jedi.
- The space chase was alright. I especially liked Laura Dern creating the hyperspace tear through the ship, and the ships running out of fuel was good. Overall the space battles were satisfying and not The Phantom Menace-bad where a poor man's Anakin hamfists his way around a warzone and has everything magically work out for him.
- It was great watching Mark Hamill again. I didn't even mind how they set up Kylo's dark-sided nature stemming from a momentary mishap on Luke's part. Apart from Luke's last act, they did good; I can get on board with Luke wanting to end the Jedi and all the conflicts stemming from it through quietly passing into memory.
THE BAD
- The comedy was all over the place, ranging from decent to Jar Jar-bad. The bird creatures were completely unamusing, Luke's reaction to the lightsaber was good, the island inhabitants and the rock was cheap, and Hux's comm talk with Poe was possibly the worst joke in any Star War movie to date. It might just be me, but it appears that Disney was so happy with the success of GotG
they are obsessed with making every recent movie a replica of that model, complete with socially embarassing and short-term gags. Say what you will about Abrams, but his jokes weren't as shit, and there were far less of them.
- Rey was overpowered in places where she didn't need to be. The most obvious example is near the end where she lifts a huge pile of rocks. She could have slowly removed rocks using the Force and it still would have shown good character development since she never did it before. But nope, gotta have that visual spectacle and default her on Vader-tier instead. Modern filmmakers seem to lack any subtlety.
- It was nice seeing Yoda in puppetry again, but the message he conveyed by burning the tree and texts was not only a missed opportunity to explore naturally-intriguing mythos, but also a very obvious message by Disney: "We don't care for explaining the lore surrounding the Force and the Jedi, so we're not even going to bother. Just accept our fanwank material without complaint." In fact, it is extremely contradictory when juxtaposed with Kylo Ren: He wants to destroy the past and focus only on the present, and Yoda literally does this. I doubt the writers were clever enough to welcome hypocrisy by alluding that the Jedi and Sith are extremely similar in that manner, so this just comes off as poorly thought through.
- Captain Phasma is underutilised. Again. She appears just to lose to Finn and her contribution could be taken our of the film entirely with litrle of value being lost. Ironically Gwen said in TFA that her role was a huge progress for feminism, yet in the sequel she loses all her screentime to fat Tumblrgirl. It's sad because even though I didn't care much about her, I would have welcomed seeing more of her and giving her character time to develop.
- Snoke's departure was bizarre. You know that he Dark Lorded Ben and is extremely powerful and malignant with the Force, yet he's gone so suddenly. Perhaps his origins and everything were explained in some comic or novel, but a good film does not require dependence on other media to explain itself. This movie answers nothing of the sort, and its only saving grace is the conundrum that ensues afterwards.
- The final fight was very anticlimactic. You've waited for decades to see it happen and frankly, watching the definitive Grandmaster flex their power even a little in the style of the prequels would have been a satisfying conclusion. I understand the approach mirroring another moment in Star Wars mythology, but it left me wanting more. A chapter was closed and it went out not with a bang, but a whimper.
THE UGLY
- The fat Asian engineer was the worst character addition to this film by far. Despite not liking her introduction, she had absolutely no place on board the Imperial starship. Her pathetic costume made her stick out like a sore thumb, and her saving Finn and subsequent confession were so absurdly jarring it was obvious she was only there to be Finn's future cocksleeve. She felt like Tumblr personified - the vapid, clumsy (white) elephant in the room lumbering from plot point to plot point.
- The casino world was so blatantly unimaginative and narrow-minded it was insulting. Mos Eisley, Coruscant, every other pub or station we've been to on Star Wars has had diverse species wearing a broad range of clothing. This place is awash with fucking tuxedoes and is such a plain imitation of Earth culture it just felt boring and derivative.
- Luke's closing message to Kylo was not as defiant and emboldening as it could have been. Instead, it felt like yet another horribly transparent message by Disney: "We won't stop at replacing the original cast. Our plan is to run this franchise into the ground by flooding the market with so much of it, nobody will want to touch this material for another 20 years." It's a very ugly conclusion, but when you're owned by Disney it seems that this is the inevitable direction all points lead to.
TL;DR - a middle-of-the-road movie that occasionally shows flashes of brilliance, but is ultimately weighed down by its parent company and poor inclusions.
THE GOOD
- It was a better film than Rogue One imo despite its numerous flaws. There's less intellectual hand-holding where the movie assumes you have the IQ of a wooden plank and thus voices dialogue so inorganically its only purpose is to inform the viewer of current events.
- Kylo Ren is infinitely better in this film. His character is more thoroughly explored and he is less of a cranky kid with daddy issues. The power boost he is given puts him more on-par with Rey in a manner I did not expect, and that their current predicament stems from a difference in ideology is something that does the movie credit. Rey wants to hold onto the past so as to prevent repeating the same mistakes endlessly, and Kylo wants to wipe the board clean and start anew, since the past is the cause of the current conflict. Both sides of the Force continuously fluctuate and compensate to achieve balance, and I can respect that.
- As begrudging as I am to say it, Rey is a better character in this film than I anticipated. I gave her the benefit of the doubt in TFA since Luke was a bit of a Gary Stu in A New Hope in retrospect. What made The Empire Strikes Back so good is that it put Luke through a Gallery of Fail to make him earn his stripes. He was made more human and it was rewarding to see him rise again in Return of the Jedi. This film makes her better in that Kylo's equivalent power means she's not the new Starkiller; she is evenly-matched and isn't the be-all-end-all to Jedi.
- The space chase was alright. I especially liked Laura Dern creating the hyperspace tear through the ship, and the ships running out of fuel was good. Overall the space battles were satisfying and not The Phantom Menace-bad where a poor man's Anakin hamfists his way around a warzone and has everything magically work out for him.
- It was great watching Mark Hamill again. I didn't even mind how they set up Kylo's dark-sided nature stemming from a momentary mishap on Luke's part. Apart from Luke's last act, they did good; I can get on board with Luke wanting to end the Jedi and all the conflicts stemming from it through quietly passing into memory.
THE BAD
- The comedy was all over the place, ranging from decent to Jar Jar-bad. The bird creatures were completely unamusing, Luke's reaction to the lightsaber was good, the island inhabitants and the rock was cheap, and Hux's comm talk with Poe was possibly the worst joke in any Star War movie to date. It might just be me, but it appears that Disney was so happy with the success of GotG
they are obsessed with making every recent movie a replica of that model, complete with socially embarassing and short-term gags. Say what you will about Abrams, but his jokes weren't as shit, and there were far less of them.
- Rey was overpowered in places where she didn't need to be. The most obvious example is near the end where she lifts a huge pile of rocks. She could have slowly removed rocks using the Force and it still would have shown good character development since she never did it before. But nope, gotta have that visual spectacle and default her on Vader-tier instead. Modern filmmakers seem to lack any subtlety.
- It was nice seeing Yoda in puppetry again, but the message he conveyed by burning the tree and texts was not only a missed opportunity to explore naturally-intriguing mythos, but also a very obvious message by Disney: "We don't care for explaining the lore surrounding the Force and the Jedi, so we're not even going to bother. Just accept our fanwank material without complaint." In fact, it is extremely contradictory when juxtaposed with Kylo Ren: He wants to destroy the past and focus only on the present, and Yoda literally does this. I doubt the writers were clever enough to welcome hypocrisy by alluding that the Jedi and Sith are extremely similar in that manner, so this just comes off as poorly thought through.
- Captain Phasma is underutilised. Again. She appears just to lose to Finn and her contribution could be taken our of the film entirely with litrle of value being lost. Ironically Gwen said in TFA that her role was a huge progress for feminism, yet in the sequel she loses all her screentime to fat Tumblrgirl. It's sad because even though I didn't care much about her, I would have welcomed seeing more of her and giving her character time to develop.
- Snoke's departure was bizarre. You know that he Dark Lorded Ben and is extremely powerful and malignant with the Force, yet he's gone so suddenly. Perhaps his origins and everything were explained in some comic or novel, but a good film does not require dependence on other media to explain itself. This movie answers nothing of the sort, and its only saving grace is the conundrum that ensues afterwards.
- The final fight was very anticlimactic. You've waited for decades to see it happen and frankly, watching the definitive Grandmaster flex their power even a little in the style of the prequels would have been a satisfying conclusion. I understand the approach mirroring another moment in Star Wars mythology, but it left me wanting more. A chapter was closed and it went out not with a bang, but a whimper.
THE UGLY
- The fat Asian engineer was the worst character addition to this film by far. Despite not liking her introduction, she had absolutely no place on board the Imperial starship. Her pathetic costume made her stick out like a sore thumb, and her saving Finn and subsequent confession were so absurdly jarring it was obvious she was only there to be Finn's future cocksleeve. She felt like Tumblr personified - the vapid, clumsy (white) elephant in the room lumbering from plot point to plot point.
- The casino world was so blatantly unimaginative and narrow-minded it was insulting. Mos Eisley, Coruscant, every other pub or station we've been to on Star Wars has had diverse species wearing a broad range of clothing. This place is awash with fucking tuxedoes and is such a plain imitation of Earth culture it just felt boring and derivative.
- Luke's closing message to Kylo was not as defiant and emboldening as it could have been. Instead, it felt like yet another horribly transparent message by Disney: "We won't stop at replacing the original cast. Our plan is to run this franchise into the ground by flooding the market with so much of it, nobody will want to touch this material for another 20 years." It's a very ugly conclusion, but when you're owned by Disney it seems that this is the inevitable direction all points lead to.
TL;DR - a middle-of-the-road movie that occasionally shows flashes of brilliance, but is ultimately weighed down by its parent company and poor inclusions.
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- Dołączono
- 3 Lut 2013
My main beef (among a few others) is that the First Order seem like they're being portrayed as a joke and the heroes are too powerful again. This should have ended on a more pessimistic note since it's the middle of the trilogy.
The very end with the little kids was cringy and almost like a fuckin' Toys R Us commercial. For fucks sake, let the First Order look menacing and dominant. Enough of this "hope" shit all the time.
The very end with the little kids was cringy and almost like a fuckin' Toys R Us commercial. For fucks sake, let the First Order look menacing and dominant. Enough of this "hope" shit all the time.
- Dołączono
- 21 Sie 2013
Agreed. Kylo and Snoke pretty much had to pull the imposing weight of the First Order all by themselves, and the latter wasn't even there for most of it. Hux was turned into a punching bag that gets thrown, choked and belittled all the time.
Compare that to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntZYHJzNkKg
(EDIT: Youtube is being gay and will not allow external site embedding)
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- Dołączono
- 1 Sty 2015
Yep, it was a split second scene which I did have some time to process but I didn't know if it was imagining things or not.
One of the most useless scenes I can think of, I bet you it was made for the baby boomers who are salty about them changing so much and thought "did you remember when you were a kid and did this? Well your kids do it now too!"
GeorgeDaMoose
kiwifarms.net
- Dołączono
- 24 Lut 2015
But how would they sell toys if they didn't needlessly pander to kids with a random self-insert kid with the Force at the end?
- Dołączono
- 2 Cze 2017
Its almost as if we are going to see Younglings or some shit at the end of this shit. Also aren't the Porg so integral to the story and not just blatant mascot spawning?
- Dołączono
- 6 Wrz 2013
I took it as a way of saying "Star Wars is a story about hope and the heroes who inspire it. Remember how the first movie was retitled A New Hope! It's not about flawed characters or complicated morals, it's HOPE for children!" That's Luke being presented as a flawed teacher only to become the legend again with his final scene.
But one of the things that bugs me about this is it's encouraging people to idolize these characters in spite of their flaws or the negative consequences of their actions (meaning the whole Po, Finn and Rose getting the Resistence killed is handwaved). The legend is more important that who they really were, which sounds like it's endorsing propaganda. And let's not forget Star Wars took elements from Dune, a book where one of the themes was the danger of heroes (or charismatic leaders) to a people.
- Dołączono
- 1 Sty 2015
RICH THE HACK KNEW
- Dołączono
- 16 Gru 2017
This, and the Mr. Plinkett review.