💤 Inactive Andrew Dobson / Tom Preston / CattyN - STOP DOING SEXIST CRAP

I wouldn't necessarily say that Sugar's advice is inherently harmful. As other have pointed out skewing the proportions and going off model has worked in the past for other shows like A:TLA and anime like Kill la Kill, and judging by her student films - while I'm personally not a huge fan of Sugar's style - she does seem to have somewhat of an understanding on how to use this exaggeration to enhance mood rather than just not giving a shit.

I think more the problem is that Sugar isn't very good at explaining this concept and doesn't appear to be very assertive in person (seriously try and find an interview or panel talk of her that isn't near-unintelligable mumbling) so she probably doesn't have a strong handle on her creative team to direct them in a way for SU's loose modeling system to be effective. Which also means it's easy for lazy artists like Dobson who don't really want to put in effort can latch onto for their own benefit.

Counterpoint, there's a quote I like for cases like this that goes something along the lines of
"The difference between an artist and a criminal is the Artist knows the laws and chooses to break them."

What this is saying is that a criminal is incapable of following the law - they are either ignorant of the law, or incapable of following the law (they aren't choosing to break the law, they have no choice), or don't have a purpose for why they are breaking the law.

If you want to elevate yourself above being a "criminal", that is someone who mindlessly breaks the law, you have to make a conscious choice to break the "law". It is the polar opposite of being lazy or thoughtless, because you are not doing anything thoughtlessly; you think through every choice.

This is what elevates a Picasso above someone who just randomly scribbles, or puts Dali surealism above lolrandom monkey cheese flailing. Picasso KNOWS about realistic perspective, Picasso is ABLE to draw & paint realistic perspective, and he can articulate WHY he's choosing to toss them right out the damn window.
Dali's Lobster Telephone is another good example. At first glance it appears to be wacky monkey cheese lobster-glued-on-a-telephone. But Dali put thought into this, such placing the lobster such that mouthpiece is directly over the lobster's sex organs.


Rebecca Sugar's advice is very harmful to learning artists for this reason: She knows the rules of art, and is capable of following of following them, so she's able to choose to go off model. (Just like she was able to choose for Edd to be the powerbottom in her Ed, Edd, and Eddy porn she drew before being employed by Cartoon Network, making the same sort of shows for children she drew porn of.)
But the lesson she's giving learners is "you never need to learn to this", meaning these learners will never want to learn to be consistent, and therefore will never have the skill and knowledge to know to when they should chose not to be consistent. She's enabling her animation team to simply be lazy, instead of having to think about why they are choosing to go off-model.

This is why Dobson is an art criminal. He thinks he's trying to make a point by using his fill-bucket art, but he's not. He's just being lazy. Given how long he's been out of school, its possible that's all he can do anymore.

In conclusion, Dobson is simply using any reasoning he can grasp at to inflate his ego.
 
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So Dobbo is full of salt over "off model" because people have said that about the art he (no longer) makes?

Whenever someone says "we face" instead of "I faced", you know they're bullshitting.
Lolcows have mastered the art of projection.

it perfectly highlights Dobson's inability to argue.
A tl;dr:

Dobbo: Some BS has been scientifically proven!
Not Dobbo: [citation needed]
Dobbo: REEE
 
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A tl;dr:

Dobbo: Some BS has been scientifically proven!
Not Dobbo: [citation needed]
Dobbo: REEE
There's also the bit where Dobbers goes "LOL I never said the quote I posted was from the book despite arguing that exact point at least 3 to 5 times LOL"

Seriously, he couldn't talk his way out of a wet paper bag, it's amazing.
 
Off model for artistic reasons and off model for quality reasons are entirely different things that are pretty much mutually exclusive unless you get a hilariously appropriate animation error. Let's take the original Transformers cartoon as an example because it provides the best example I can think of:

The guys who combine are regularly much larger than everyone, but they don't really have a consistent size except "big". As a result, their scale is all over the place and usually ends up with the guys that make up the combined robot being bigger as limbs than as individual robots, yet still self consistent in a way. Also, what kid is really going to notice outside occasional moments of fridge logic?

This is totally and completely different from animation errors and differing studio styles. Toei produced reasonably consistent animation for Transformers with occasional errors. Later episodes produced by AKOM are noticeably error ridden and of poor quality and not for a stylistic reason. Then, there's a few episodes thought to be produced by Studio Ox that put in tons of extra detail. So while they are also technically "off model" they look much better.

And on a larger scale, you have the wide variety of animation styles in 60s and 70s Looney Toons, Disney, and Hanna-Barbera cartoons. But those can't really contribute to Dobson's argument because they are largely self-contained and episodic in nature. They mostly don't have an overarching story told across multiple episodes. Consistency is important to such a narrative as it ensures the audience can recognize the characters as they appear and also become emotionally invested. AtLA does this and gets away with the silly bending of the style for certain moments and also even modifying it for more serious moments in the series where needed.

Unsurprisingly, despite going to school for animation and dreaming of working at Disney, ol' Dob would just rather whine about how people are shitting on his favorite show because he cannot ever take any criticism about himself or anything he likes.
To add onto the Transformers thing- In season one you could get a more Toei-looking episode (like Fire in the Sky) like what you would discribe, but then you got episodes like Roll For It and Heavy Metal War, which were clearly sourced to another Japanese company (or companies) altogether, and the animation in those episodes ranged from pretty decent to AKOM-tier bad between scenes. Then in season two, you had not only the AKOM-produced episodes. But many episodes that Toei clearly farmed to one of their usual Korean contractors at the time (like Daiwon) also producing pretty shoddy episodes like Child's Play or War Dawn. Both of which I consider on par with AKOM's outings regarding animation quality, if not worse in some aspects. Then there's episodes like A Prime Problem or Secret of Omega Supeme, which are clearly handled by a third party altogether due to their artstyles not matching with either studio.

And of course, there's Megatron and Soundwave turning into human-sized objects, but that follows Combiner logic than actual animation gaffes.

As for H-B or Disney, I feel like Dobson would probably try to reason that somehow. Then whine about it when called out on it because he doesn't get what people mean when they talk about the meaning of being off model. Then again, it's not like Dobson can even keep on model when he draws.
 
More bitching about portfolios and sucking up to people.

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It's fucking November, Dobson.

Everyone moved on except you.

What kind of turbo-:autism: do you have where you're the only person left who gives a shit?

EDIT: A pretty interesting part of their video on Baby Driver also destroys his "CinemaSins hate wimminz" argument. (Timestamped.)
 
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