Plummeting Birthrates Watch Thread - The horrifying implications of living in a Children of Men situation.

[Chicha Drinker]

Was the person who did it ever caught? If so, they probably were working against themselves the whole time by hiding their plan when it was in plain sight for all to see. "The Georgia Guidestones are no more, but I beat the oligarchy, guys!"

The schizo theory is that elites will secretly use symbolism and implication to "ask consent" of the population in some pilpul attempt to avoid responsibility for their horrific actions. Its what people say was the reasoning behind all the 9/11 symbolism prior to 2001. There was a trend on /x/ in like 2019 where they supposedly picked up the trail on a bunch of symbolism that seattle was going to be nuked on 11/23 (i think, its been a long time), and since that didnt happen they said that they canceled the plan since the plebs managed to "pick up on" the implied consent shenanigans.

Ofc its all schizo nonsense that should be ignored, unless?

 

[Rootless Cosmopolitan]

If a woman is single at age 30 she should just write off having kids. The time it takes to find a man, date, get married, get into a spot to have a child is easily 4-6 years which congratulations, geriatric pregnancy.

Disagree because this whole 4-6 years thing is largely modern sensibilities. People used to just get “accidentally” pregnant to jump start the process.

Historically, 25% of western marriages were shotgun marriages. No need for geriatric pregnancies, even if you’re alone at 30.

 

[74164978231]

Historically, 25% of western marriages were shotgun marriages. No need for geriatric pregnancies, even if you’re alone at 30.

This aint the era of shotgun marriages and people learning to accept each other.

 

[Paper Machete]

Disagree because this whole 4-6 years thing is largely modern sensibilities. People used to just get “accidentally” pregnant to jump start the process.

Historically, 25% of western marriages were shotgun marriages. No need for geriatric pregnancies, even if you’re alone at 30.

Those marriages "worked" because divorce was difficult and severely stigmatized. I'm sure there were a lot of unhappy homes because of that. They did that sort of stuff because of the social ostracizing and the pressure of being/having caused a "fallen woman" being something to be avoided at most all costs.

I don't think conditions where people are "forced" to be together is the answer. You just need to remove all that pushes against family creation and I think that's largely social attitudes towards getting married relatively young, having children in your 20s, etc.

I'd wager there are a lot of people right now who softly bought in (or needed to) do the "waiting game" and are realizing that due to trouble finding someone to partner with or difficulties with fertility they're having issues that way.

Whether it's wasting your most fertile years in education/working or being a party person, people stopped thinking your 20s are for growing up and settling down and started to think they're teenage years plus where you get to have fun running around and doing whatever. And that is the largest bottleneck. Because if they go on to have kids at all after that, it's usually only 1-2.

 

[The Gay Oboma Creature]

This aint the era of shotgun marriages and people learning to accept each other.

I do wonder if weeding out the 'girlbosses' and the 'incels' could produce a higher-trust, less neurotic, more easygoing dating pool. A lot of the selection effects we're currently seeing have very good second-order effects, provided we survive the near term.

 

[Audit]

I do wonder if weeding out the 'girlbosses' and the 'incels' could produce a higher-trust, less neurotic, more easygoing dating pool. A lot of the selection effects we're currently seeing have very good second-order effects, provided we survive the near term.

Doubt it. Most of the fear in dating is diversity and scarcity driven. The "girlbosses" are being fluffed up on enough propaganda to convince an elephant it can fly and the "incels" are mostly just normal guys at this point who for whatever reason aren't in a relationship. The days of only weirdos being single passed 15 years ago. Neuroticism is normal in the modern world because of the difficulties in obtaining the necessities of life and the vile nature of modern "society" (i.e. read as globohomo demanding the importation of infinite rapists and promoting homosexuality and niggers). Housing is more expensive (thanks illegals + H1B jeets + third world scabs), entry level jobs are harder to get (same crew causing that + offshoring), and job security is so much worse making it risky for a woman to temporarily leave the workforce for fear of being unable to get back in (because when is it ever the man quitting his job to take care of an infant?).

Frankly, it's amazing that birth rates haven't collapsed more than they already have in the Western world. Relationships are a powder keg waiting to explode at a moment's notice. Go to reddit if you want to see what propaganda the typical person is consuming everyday. So many subreddits dedicated to convincing women in particular that every man is an asshole who will ruin her life and that you should just stay "happily" single, also babies are evil as well because of climate change and you're literally killing niggers in africa if you reproduce. Popular culture has been pushing miscegenation and "diversity" (read non-white) representation for decades, resulting in a generation of women who have been propagandized into losing their fear of nigger rape. Despite media representation, almost all of the rape, murder, and other violent crimes are done by blacks, hispanics, or various other browns imported into the US. It's a small mercy and miracle that the barbarian hordes are also susceptible to this propaganda. US black birth rates are collapsing with hispanics not that far behind.

TLDR: Eliminating whites and yellows from the gene pool, even the more neurotic of the bunch, won't fix anything. They're suffering the effects of an orchestrated campaign to drive them insane and to the brink of suicide. The end goal of neoliberalism is to keep the non-shit demographics enslaved by an endless horde of barbarians "controlled" (as if) by an international cabal of plutocrats.

 

[Chicha Drinker]

TLDR: Eliminating whites and yellows from the gene pool, even the more neurotic of the bunch, won't fix anything. They're suffering the effects of an orchestrated campaign to drive them insane and to the brink of suicide. The end goal of neoliberalism is to keep the non-shit demographics enslaved by an endless horde of barbarians "controlled" (as if) by an international cabal of plutocrats.

God bless the Amish. They took a gamble, betting on technology being corrosive, and it has definitely payed dividends

 

[𝕺𝖑' 𝕯𝖎𝖗𝖙𝖞 𝕱𝖆𝖙𝖘𝖔]

Has anyone in this thread ever actually increased the birth rate themselves

 

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Has anyone in this thread ever actually increased the birth rate themselves

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[SmugAutist]

It's often overlooked how much people date within their own social class. A high income woman is very likely to be dating a high income man, and vice versa. Even if the woman isn't making as much as the man, there are good chances that the middle-to-upper class woman works as a status indicator. She's not going to stop working to raise a kid unless her social clique begins to show favor to it. This is probably the biggest cause of fertility suppression in educated women. An uneducated woman working a generic low status job incurs little to no loss of social status in staying home. This inevitably puts a pretty strong limit on the number of children she'll want.

Responding to an old post but I'm new to the thread.

In my experience, people definitely prefer to date within their social class. It's even more important than economic class since you have a "precariat" class nowadays that grew up in the middle to upper middle class and is currently making less than their parents, but still grew up with a higher level of education and certain mannerisms that peg them at a certain class. This translates even if you're dating from abroad. If you're in the American continent, middle to upper class, and date someone from Asia or Europe, you usually end up marrying a middle to upper class woman.

There's also a biological component to this. Children, especially male children, inherit many of their behavioral traits from their mother. You have a bunch of nouveau rich guys who got lucky in early life who marry the retarded trophy wife from lower or working class and the heir ends up being lesser than the father.

 

[The Gay Oboma Creature]

In my experience, people definitely prefer to date within their social class. It's even more important than economic class since you have a "precariat" class nowadays that grew up in the middle to upper middle class and is currently making less than their parents, but still grew up with a higher level of education and certain mannerisms that peg them at a certain class.

I think that this ultimately means that the striver class is going to die off. Anyone with high enough ambition to want to be 'one of the cool kids' who is also too dumb to realize that being told "you can wait to have kids" by the ultra-rich is the socioeconomic equivalent of being told "you should cut your hair short" by the popular girls.



If the tide of third world biotrash isn't enough to ruin the West forever, the ruling class will have a much more credulous and less compliant population to deal with. "Only those who disobeyed survived" indeed.

 

[Mister Fister]

I think that this ultimately means that the striver class is going to die off. Anyone with high enough ambition to want to be 'one of the cool kids' who is also too dumb to realize that being told "you can wait to have kids" by the ultra-rich is the socioeconomic equivalent of being told "you should cut your hair short" by the popular girls.

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If the tide of third world biotrash isn't enough to ruin the West forever, the ruling class will have a much more credulous and less compliant population to deal with. "Only those who disobeyed survived" indeed.

Here is the ultimate hilarious irony about Clownworld. If you wanted to create a people that will conquer the stars, I can’t think of any other way to do so.

 

[Chicha Drinker]

Here is the ultimate hilarious irony about Clownworld. If you wanted to create a people that will conquer the stars, I can’t think of any other way to do so.

"We're in the midst of a genetic bottlenecking that will filter out the goodest goys and you're blackpilling?"

 

[SmugAutist]

I think that this ultimately means that the striver class is going to die off. Anyone with high enough ambition to want to be 'one of the cool kids' who is also too dumb to realize that being told "you can wait to have kids" by the ultra-rich is the socioeconomic equivalent of being told "you should cut your hair short" by the popular girls.

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If the tide of third world biotrash isn't enough to ruin the West forever, the ruling class will have a much more credulous and less compliant population to deal with. "Only those who disobeyed survived" indeed.

Which is why the term "precariat" is apt. I grew up in a similar environment of having high earning parents who were not "rich" yet. As in, they were high skilled professionals who earned a lot of money or had a business with high cash flow but they did not have it in assets like the truly rich. Children from those backgrounds end up going to private schools and have their college tuition paid for but when they graduate, they don't find the success their parents did, at least not at an early age like they expected, and unlike the truly rich, they do not have assets to fall back on for passive income if their job turned out more mediocre than they accept. But they grew up having certain resources and would rather delay marriage and family formation for when they may potentially have that level of wealth so that their children can have the same advantages they did.

Most of the guys I know who came from a background similar to mine have delayed marriage all the way until their 30s due to uncertainty. Only now are they having kids. The women, however, surprisingly married in their 20s and have 2-3 kids on average. But I come from a fairly conservative society. I can't speak for how New Englanders or Californians think.

 

[The Gay Oboma Creature]

The women, however, surprisingly married in their 20s and have 2-3 kids on average.

I think that's the crucial difference between strivers and (potential) elites. If you can train your foids not to become barren just because the TV told them to, you are sovereign. If you can't, you've got one generation and it's back to the dross.

 

[SmugAutist]

I think that's the crucial difference between strivers and (potential) elites. If you can train your foids not to become barren just because the TV told them to, you are sovereign. If you can't, you've got one generation and it's back to the dross.

Though, I will add that most of them married guys that were older than them and more established than the men in their age group. Not massive age gaps but men in their 30s while they were in their 20s. The few times I've seen any of them after graduation, none of the kids seem to have any serious problems.

 

[soryu2electricboogaloo]

Has anyone in this thread ever actually increased the birth rate themselves

We need to see a ratio of kiwis with children and no children, just for this thread specifically.
How many people in this thread are too busy seething and not getting wifed up because... They can't tell the difference between a whore and a normal person

 

[The Gay Oboma Creature]

Though, I will add that most of them married guys that were older than them and more established than the men in their age group. Not massive age gaps but men in their 30s while they were in their 20s. The few times I've seen any of them after graduation, none of the kids seem to have any serious problems.

That's implied. The guys, at least the ones with good prospects, will come into their own a bit later than they should've due to DEI and the economy, but they'll marry okay and have kids once they're reasonably stable.

 

[The Gay Oboma Creature]

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There are two ways to interpret this. The first is that libs have fewer kids in the healthy range, but (partially) make it up near or after the geriatric pregnancy threshold. The second is that the newer generation's fertility gap is way larger than that of the older generations, and it's going to persist as they age out of the breeding window.

 

[Drive-by Farts]

Shotgun weddings were basically the norm)

There was a saying, something like “every baby takes 9 months to grow except the first one”. Lots of us come from long lines of accidents. It’s clear that people who actually want kids are being selected for (at least for females) which I think is overall positive. It’s just a hell of a bottleneck to go through.

Has anyone in this thread ever actually increased the birth rate themselves

I am a mom. I only have 2, but my husband is actually an only child so at least on his side there has been an improvement in fertility. Tbh both of us wanted more; I unfortunately had a few miscarriages between kid 1 and 2. 4 would’ve been ideal but life happened.

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There are two ways to interpret this. The first is that libs have fewer kids in the healthy range, but (partially) make it up near or after the geriatric pregnancy threshold. The second is that the newer generation's fertility gap is way larger than that of the older generations, and it's going to persist as they age out of the breeding window.

It’s almost certainly the second one. Leftists nowadays are staunchly antinatalist, and a lot of them are trans so they are sterilizing themselves.