Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

You know in hindsight don't you think it's a bit weird that the town festival even happened in the first place after the fucking mysterious disappearance of the town's police chief and sole competent police officer? It's a small town, and a mysterious disappearance of somebody like Undyne should've spread a wave of fear through the town, instead it's just totally ignored for some reason.
Toby could have just shown us Carol saying something about Undyne being on a trip or doing an investigation or something. The only issue would this would be if Carol didn't know anything about the Knight or bunker stuff, which seems really REALLY unlikely at this stage.
 
You know in hindsight don't you think it's a bit weird that the town festival even happened in the first place after the fucking mysterious disappearance of the town's police chief and sole competent police officer? It's a small town, and a mysterious disappearance of somebody like Undyne should've spread a wave of fear through the town, instead it's just totally ignored for some reason.
Almost as if the festival was ordained to happen, or something.
It's either that or there is a Hot Fuzz situation going on, everyone is in on it,, and Carol intends to sacrifice Undyne for the Greater Good.
Going a step further, isn't it strange that Onion just so happened to disappear about the same time Undyne did?

It could just be a funny coincidence, but who's to say that Normal_NPC wasn't waiting for the competent police officer to vanish before committing a murder?
 
"Lost Dream Knight" theory:

Seam tells us Shadow Crystals are the power of "lost dreams", and the Knight very obviously has to do with December and with Shadow Crystals.

The Knight itself may very well be the "lost dream" that is December's life. It may be able to spawn in any dark world precisely because the loss of December haunts the entire town.

Bonus: Flowery says the flowers aren't "true darkners" because they're not really inanimate objects, being living flowers. He also calls Ralsei an "impossibility", implying he has a similar state.

My theory is also "Lost Dream Ralsei": Ralsei IS NOT a mere physical object, but bears obvious resemblance to Kris's red horn headband and to his parents and brother. Ralsei isn't the red horns: he's the dream that Kris had of ever fitting in, and lost. He's the embodiment of everything Kris wanted to be, and knows he never can be.
 
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Gonna start the game today now that I have the time.
 
whats the rest of the game like anyway?
80s kids fantasy adventure plot that's rapidly unspooling into chaos as it becomes more and more obvious that every single major character is an unreliable narrator. Weird route Noelle's probably the only one who's outright about it, but it's made clear there's some very fucked up betrayal shit going on that's going to come to a head soon. It's a legitimately fun plot.
 
The post they are replying to is 100% accurate however.
it has only been two days.
This really also applies to the Suselle thing. Nothing shown so far is really unrealistic considering the short timeframe, Susie is extremely excited because she was the outsider for most her life, and Noelle is excited because she's obsessed and mentally unstable. Honeymoon period is strong.

On another note, I'm pretty sure "leaving" is Noelle's euphemism for suicide. She uses it in both routes, on the normal route when held by Susie (who understands it as running away) and on the weird route to refer to Dess' fate. Perhaps the latter was officially ruled a suicide, which got Asgore labelled as a conspiracy theorist when denying it.

And really, both Susie and Noelle were ideating suicide before the game started. I mean the whole chalk thing right at the start showed that she was pretty much at the brink of throwing everything away.
 
You know in hindsight don't you think it's a bit weird that the town festival even happened in the first place after the fucking mysterious disappearance of the town's police chief and sole competent police officer? It's a small town, and a mysterious disappearance of somebody like Undyne should've spread a wave of fear through the town, instead it's just totally ignored for some reason.
Almost as if the festival was ordained to happen, or something.
It's either that or there is a Hot Fuzz situation going on, everyone is in on it,, and Carol intends to sacrifice Undyne for the Greater Good.
It's implied that Carol has completely removed any and all crime from hometown and the police are just there for show. Undyne also complains about how nothing happens in Hometown.

A quote from Alphys corroborates this
It's because of the mayor, there... there...
There isn't any crime.
Makes me wonder if she even needs the police...
Or if they're just... g... getting in her way?
Also from a logical standpoint it wouldn't do any good to publicly announce that an event that everyone has been preparing for was cancelled because there was a lack of law enforcement. Not that I think it would do anything because most of the people in hometown seem to be stuck behaving like NPCs that can't deviate from their programming. This is illustrated by the fact that in Chapter 1 nobody believes you about the Dark World when you try to tell them about it.

This really also applies to the Suselle thing. Nothing shown so far is really unrealistic considering the short timeframe, Susie is extremely excited because she was the outsider for most her life, and Noelle is excited because she's obsessed and mentally unstable. Honeymoon period is strong.

I always thought that it was Susie being too emotionally stunted to differentiate romantic and platonic feelings. It's even reversed with Berdly in Chapter 2 when he becomes romantically intersted in Susie after she treated him kindly. The song that plays is called "I guess I'm in love" which to me reads like she's just going along with it because she doesn't know better. I wouldn't be surprised if the relationship breaking down is going to be a plot driver going forward. I genuinely think Toby baited every possible ship so he could figure out which one would be the most emotionally devestating to the most people when it falls apart.
 
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Weird route Noelle's probably the only one who's outright about it,
The fact that Weird Route Noelle basically fucking turns to the camera and goes.
"I know that there's something seriously fucked up, and my choices don't feel like my own, and I feel like I'm being forced into a role that I don't think is right, except you, Kris who is inhabited by the SOUL that EXPLICITLY has the power to alter fate have managed to change me and make me feel like I can be my own person. Now let's do something crazy, and fly away from this stupid town!" (It's the same exact fucking wish she spoke about to Susie, except Susie just went 'durrrr' at her.)
and the retardbase goes
"I can't believe the player made Noelle think this" is genuinely fucking unhinged. You'd think that learning about the fucking Prophecy that is according to Ralsei, right about literally everything that happens literally a single chapter ago would be enough for them to realise that no, Noelle is not actually having a mental breakdown, because she is right. She either managed to figure out that fate exists or that she's a videogame/simulation character, but it really doesn't matter what she figured out. Because whatever conclusion Noelle drew was a correct one either way.

If Nooseworx made Deltarune, Chapters 2-6 would be total filler, and then in chapter 7 Ralsei would troon out, call himself a faggot, and then turn into a titan and die.
 
Wait, did Toby make the Chapter 5 dark world japanese because Japan is "the land of the rising sun", and flowers and plants need the sun to survive?? I literally just had this as a shower thought and the only reason i could think of for the dark world aesthetic that isn't Toby is a weeb.
 
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Wait, did Toby make the Chapter 5 dark world japanese because Japan is "the land of the rising sun", and flowers and plants need the sun to survive?? I literally just had this as a shower thought and the only reason for the dark world aesthetic that isn't Toby is a weeb.
He's not that clever besides we don't even get a concrete explanation why the flower king dark world is japanese in the game
 
I think it's just a play on Asgore's flower beds being his "zen gardens" that overtook the rest of the aesthetic (and gave an excuse for 2hu tributes)
 
Wait, did Toby make the Chapter 5 dark world japanese because Japan is "the land of the rising sun", and flowers and plants need the sun to survive?? I literally just had this as a shower thought and the only reason i could think of for the dark world aesthetic that isn't Toby is a weeb.
Personally I think its because Asgore became a weeb after he broke up with Toriel. I think Alphys mentions him being into Mew Mew Kissy Cutie 2, and he also has a Mew Mew figurine that serves as the darkner body for the secret boss. A lonely man being obsessed with Japan is absolutely not a unfamiliar concept.
 
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Second of all, no he fucking wouldn't. He's a tranny libtard. He couldn't even dream of being that based. :story:
I heard that libsisses thought he was racist because he joked about it once (he had too little playtime with Asian characters in overwatch)

But like 90% of what this guy writes on xitter are ironic shitposts and easy to decipher as such in context so he's just getting heat for being someine who he isn't (despite there being plenty of stuff to press him over)

This is why in left spaces stuff like /j is so popular it's becuase they're way too autistic to decipher a joke otherwise
 
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