Titanic tourist submersible goes missing with search under way

The only good thing about this tragedy that the CEO went down with his ship. If that CEO wasn't on that sub on that day, he would distastefully gaslight everyone on his responsibility like he did with all the safety concerns.
It's the only real justice anyone could have ever hoped to extract from him for his murderous incompetence. He's dead now, killed by his own machine and hubris, and cannot ever possibly harm another person through his incompetence, arrogance, madness, hubris or malice. He's done all the damage he can ever do.

His victims can still attack his assets to extract financial recompense, but this is a rare case of a "blood debt" actually being paid. I like it. You couldn't ask for more from this cold, indifferent universe.
 
It had Titan in the name and the owner thought it was unsinkable.

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Amdumb but is a submersible not a submarine and like are they not interchangeable and if not would these people still be alive if it was a proper submarine and not a submersible wtf
A submarine is different from a submersible, a full submarine is self sufficient. Our nuclear subs can be out to sea for months without needing to return to shore to get supplies. Submarines are also more of a military thing. Submersibles are used more for things scientific research and exploring deep in the ocean.

For the second question, no. A submarine would be crushed at that depth. Titanic lies about 12,500 feet deep, Los Angeles and Virginia-class submarines can only go to a depth of about 1,000-3,000 feet. To actually reach the wreckage of the ship you need a very specialized submersible, which the Titan advertised itself to be.
 
Jesus, it sounds like it was a fucking miracle that this thing even made it down to Titanic's depth ONCE, let alone as many times as it did, without some sort of failure either resulting in total loss or the inhabitants being fucking stranded at sea or at the bottom of the fucking ocean. As a thought experiment I sort of 'workshopped' or brainstormed a potential rescue plan if the sub had somehow been stranded down there with no means to propel itself or surface, and really the only idea I came up with was a very long cable/winch being used to slowly bring it back to the surface. No idea how feasible that would be, but all of the other possibilities are pretty much nixed from the start. You can't provide further oxygen [or other supplies] to the crew if they're stranded down there - there's no port to introduce more oxygen or remove CO2, and the hatch had to be unbolted on the platform, so even if they had surfaced it would have been tricky. This thing was built so that if literally ANYTHING went wrong, everyone inside it was totally fucked. I'm just surprised it took that long for something bad to happen.

One shitty part of this is that honestly, if this hadn't happened, it could have proven that with proper monitoring and an actual safety culture [and regulation], maybe carbon fiber for a pressure hull actually is feasible under the right conditions. Sure, such a craft's useful lifespan would be severely limited by fatigue/stress, but it could have feasibly led to further developments. Not to mention, OceanGate didn't do any of this "right", either - they literally fucking dragged this thing across the Atlantic, on a platform, through rough seas. It was left sitting out [not in a hangar, or a structure] in all sorts of weather and constantly changing temperatures, which is not good for carbon fiber. They basically did everything fucking wrong and somehow it still worked for a while - far longer than I would have expected, given what I know now. Unfortunately, the guy who had that fucking idea was quite possibly the worst fucking guy to have that idea. And I get what Rush was going for - he wanted to be like the Howard Hughes of submersibles, the difference being that Howard Hughes seemed to understand risk, had teams of engineers [that he didn't always listen to, to be fair] and most typically, Hughes would fly his own experimental aircraft himself and [from what I recall] didn't take on passengers until he knew that his design wasn't going to fling him into the fucking ground at Mach Jesus. Rush, on the other hand, was in a big hurry to have a return on his investment [to fund further development, I suppose, because he seemed half fucking crazed about this idea], so he started taking on paying passengers [or "mission specialists" as he deemed them, to avoid regulatory action] before he even really knew if the fucking thing was safe - and by the time of the incident, there had been more than enough other incidents and plenty of evidence that the fucking thing WASN'T safe, yet he continued to take on passengers and pretend like everything was just fantastic. That's my problem with him. I don't give a fuck if he wants to experiment on his own time, with his own life at risk, and throw his money around, that's his prerogative and his business, but he took on passengers and went to great lengths to give them asspats and convince them this thing was safe when he knew it wasn't.

Now, I don't have the hate boner for him that the retards over on Reddit seem to have [mostly because they just hate rich people, because they're a bunch of fucking communists] but taking on passengers and doing all of this work to convince them, that is quite a shitty fucking thing to do, given what he knew. I would be very interested to know what the fucking waiver looked like that prospective passengers signed - whether it was acknowledged even slightly that this thing was a fucking experimental death-trap in those papers, or not. Though I'm sure it was probably 250 pages long and nobody probably read it in full. Redditoids seethe about him constantly, but in fairness, he also got himself fucking killed, so I'd say he experienced sufficient consequences. They act like they want to dig up his corpse [or whatever is left of it] and piss on it as a punishment, the guy fucking died as a result of his own hubris, I think he's been thoroughly punished already. Paul-Henri Nargeolet's involvement was curious as well - he was an expert on all things Titanic and submersibles, he had to know that this thing wasn't fucking safe, and at his age I doubt he really cared about how much money Rush could throw at him to say and act otherwise. Perhaps his involvement lent further credence or credibility to the sub's design, prospective passengers would question it, but then see he was involved and go "well shit, it must be safe then I guess?", and maybe that's why Rush kept him around - considering I don't think he even usually piloted the thing, that was Stockton's job. I think the only theory that makes any sense is that Nargeolet knew it was unsafe but wanted to die near Titanic, because he was obsessed with her. His wife died in 2017, maybe he started not giving a shit about risk-taking after that, figuring that going out doing what he enjoyed and right next to the ship wasn't the worst thing, or that it was a fitting end. But he absolutely knew enough about submersibles and safe sub-marine operations to know this thing was a death-trap.

But anyway, yeah, TL;DR is basically - I'm fucking amazed this thing made the trip down to Titanic one time without some catastrophic failure, it was always living on borrowed time.
 
Here’s a full recording of the “kangaroo court” showdown, after David Lochridge emailed the ceo and engineering director with his concerns (they fire him).

It’s a great listen. Tony whatsisface is confirmed a fucking weasel, and you can only be impressed with Stockton’s hubris and arrogance.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=9kA9G0XLKPE
Looking back, this is the most important video on the whole thing.
Stockton Rush was an absolute know nothing know it all arrogant dumbass that got himself killed. But at least he'd died believing in his own bullshit.
Tony Nissen on the other hand comes across like a shapeshifting deceptive yesman that would be one day be his boss' biggest supporter. To the next lie to the Coast Guard in order to avoid any accountability.
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If I were a billionaire with retarded amounts of money, I'd create the most petty monument ever by erecting a life-sized statue of Stockton Rush at the Titan launch site (so in the middle of nowhere nevermind, that would be the port of St. John's in Newfoundland), with a plaque that reads something to the effect of: "RIP to the victims of Stockton Rush's mongoloid-tier hubris," and maybe list the names of the dead.

It was probably just the reporters being dramatic, taking the theoretical max implosion force and running with it.
Lol, fucking journos.

Part of me wishes he hadn't been there because he died instantly, still assured he was the smartest man in the room and that nothing was wrong....

I would've been better had he spent the last 3 years in court blubbering and melting down as each of these damning instances of arrogance and incompetence arise, desperately trying to deflect it all away on everyone else as he twists in the wind.
This is exactly how I feel. Not only did he escape knowing consequences on a socially humiliating level by dying, he got to die in such an instantaneous way that he didn't even have to know that his deliberate fuck ups had finally caught up with him. He's one of the exact people who deserved to have his nose forcibly rubbed into his own shit like an abused puppy, but instead he got blissfully ignorant oblivion. Fucking sucks, man.
 
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On the bright side, Oceangate did make 2 major scientific and engineering discoveries that will forever change the field of submersibles:
1) They proved that a carbon fiber hull can survive multiple dives. Previous attempts to build something like the Titan were abandoned due to the belief that they could only survive one dive.
2) They proved you could fuck up every step of the construction of a carbon fiber submersible and it would still somehow survive a dozen trips to the Titanic.

I wouldn't trust the testimonies of former engineers and employees due to the fact that they could've been responsible for the problems wile laying all the blame on their boss. Also, everyone bitching about the lack of testing need to accept that it wasn't just Oceangate that is to blame: a lot of the testing would've required help from 3rd parties and universitites and those places told Oceangate to fuck off. So you can't lay all the blame on the CEO who literally went down with the ship.
You sound as dumb as Rush. If these 3rd parties told you to fuck off, maybe it was for a reason, eh?

The only positive is that it was physically impossible for them to feel any pain or be aware that they were dying. The brain was literally soup before any sensory impulses could reach it.
They tried to return to surface for 20 mins (and kept failing) before they imploded. Idk whether the passengers were told how bad the situation was, but the navigator + CEO probably suffered some anguish in that time. Unless they were even dumber and more delusional than we think.
 
Looking back, this is the most important video on the whole thing.
Stockton Rush was an absolute know nothing know it all arrogant dumbass that got himself killed. But at least he'd died believing in his own bullshit.
Tony Nissen on the other hand comes across like a shapeshifting deceptive yesman that would be one day be his boss' biggest supporter. To the next lie to the Coast Guard in order to avoid any accountability.
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Yeah, honestly I can respect Rush to an extent - or I would, if he hadn't fucking taken four other people along with him, when he knew damned well that this thing wasn't right. Really, he's lucky that he had any warning signs at all, not that he adhered to them. Those loud pops, cracks and bangs should have scared him shitless, if he'd actually fucking acted on that or other warning signs, that fucking submersible would have been mothballed well before the dives in 2023. But I can respect that he didn't just foist it off on other people, or a 'pilot', and went down himself. That demonstrates that either he was half-suicidal or that he genuinely believed in this design. Of course, maybe he figured it would be for the best if he got killed in the thing too, if anything happened, because the fucking lawsuits and court cases and regulatory penalties would have been quite a shitshow. He would have probably been left penniless after all the shit he pulled. Hell, a case could have been made that he should go to prison for negligent homicide/manslaughter, but I don't know how that shit works in Leafistan. Although maybe it wouldn't have been under Canadian jurisdiction?

I can respect the urge and drive to innovate, the desire to do things different and 'fuck all the red tape and bullshit', but if that's your fucking thing, fly solo - don't drag other fucking people into it. That and don't fucking cut corners when you're journeying into some of the harshest conditions available on this God damned planet. It's hard to even think of an environment more harsh and unforgiving of cutting corners and half-assing shit. Honestly, low-earth orbit actually seems more forgiving of mistakes and bonehead shit than the bottom of the ocean does. The only comparable risk profile/harsher environment I can think of is if he'd tried to land a crewed spacecraft on fucking Venus.

It's kind of poetic that in part, Titanic sank due to hubris - "Fuck it, full steam ahead, who gives a shit about sea ice? She's unsinkable!", and hubris was the cause of this incident as well. I get not wanting to deal with red tape, regulatory bodies, governments, etc. but sometimes all of those roadblocks are put in front of you for good reason. That said, Titan did perform about 50 successful dives before the fatal one. If he'd fucking responded to the banging/cracking sounds and had his team tear down and inspect it, he probably could have thrown more money at the problem and he might have actually come up with something safe and feasible, he could have actually innovated and pushed this field/industry into the future, although given the 'culture' as OceanGate, I doubt they were the right fucking team to do so. The design might have worked just fine if he hadn't cut so many fucking corners.
 
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You sound as dumb as Rush. If these 3rd parties told you to fuck off, maybe it was for a reason, eh?
Everything I said is correct which is why you're having such a severe reaction to it.

Google's retarded AI said "Organizations and independent agencies refused to test or certify OceanGate's Titan submersible because the vessel's experimental carbon-fiber hull and cylindrical shape blatantly ignored decades of established marine engineering standards. Regulatory bodies require spherical pressure vessels and exhaustive cycle testing, which OceanGate bypassed in the name of "rapid innovation"."

So they couldn't get it tested because it was a new design(which worked). It would be like transportation authorities not allowing cars to be legalized because they're not pulled by horses. And saying he should've waited for the government and organizations to approve of a new design is intellectually dishonest. Years from now, there will be many carbon fiber submersibles and this thread will be an archive of humiliating statements.
 
Ah yes the "Third Time's the Charm" school of engineering.
Clearly the pattern checks out, the first model failed at 3000 m, the next one 3300 so the full scale one will have unlimited depth. That or he thought that if a 1/3rd scale model survived 3000m then if he goes full scale then the math would say it should be good to 9000m. The CEO was so smart he can't even be sued now
 
Everything I said is correct which is why you're having such a severe reaction to it.

Google's retarded AI said "Organizations and independent agencies refused to test or certify OceanGate's Titan submersible because the vessel's experimental carbon-fiber hull and cylindrical shape blatantly ignored decades of established marine engineering standards. Regulatory bodies require spherical pressure vessels and exhaustive cycle testing, which OceanGate bypassed in the name of "rapid innovation"."

So they couldn't get it tested because it was a new design(which worked). It would be like transportation authorities not allowing cars to be legalized because they're not pulled by horses. And saying he should've waited for the government and organizations to approve of a new design is intellectually dishonest. Years from now, there will be many carbon fiber submersibles and this thread will be an archive of humiliating statements.
This is kind of low effort bait tbh.
 
Holy crap, it's even worse than we figured. The hubris of this rivals Old Scratch himself...

I can respect the urge and drive to innovate, the desire to do things different and 'fuck all the red tape and bullshit', but if that's your fucking thing, fly solo - don't drag other fucking people into it.
This sums up a lot of my thoughts on this sort of thing. Want to innovate in a way that's really dangerous? Fine, but do it in your own time, dime, and spine. Leave others out of it until you've proven it isn't a death trap. And there were many, many incidents that put the Lie to any ideas it might be seaworthy.

I feel far more for those who lost loved ones on the ship, or the ones who died with him because of the unmitigated hubris he demonstrated, than the nimrod himself.
 
Canada’s approach to regulatory oversight of vessels enabled the Titan to operate without any independent verification to identify safety deficiencies, which resulted in increased risk to those involved in the Titan’s operations.
Imploding five white males at once at crush depth in a carbon fiber tube was considered as a method for MAID but it was found to be too cost inefficient,
 
This is a bit of a hot take, and I get that normies deserve to be adequately spooked a company could do this, but like 90% of all marginal engineering is done like this. Every piece is run outside its LOPA (layers of protection analysis, measured in %fail per operational cycle) conditions, every safety measure is untested in the field. It feels sort of bad watching someone who got fried by the “cheese lining up” get reamed at being shit at his job when in reality (and horrifyingly) this guy is probably in like the top 5% of engineers when you consider how many fields of engineering he’s moving in.

Every choice that deviates from standard submarine design is meant to be a solution to something. The carbon fiber hull is literally brilliant as a cheap, disposable hull but the nature of marginal engineering is eventually you get a flawed hull, a failed detection, a failed post-run check and a cabin full of people. If he was making unmanned exploration subs he’d be praised as a pioneer but well, he wasn’t was he?

This is not to say he should be celebrated or something, this was the literal definition of hubris and it killed people, but this man was very similar to that Flat earther who built a manned steam rocket and died on his third flight because his parachutes didn’t deploy. The only mistake this man really made was bringing innocent people along. Watching normies attack him like we all have our own steel-milled deep sea exploration subs and all of these were unforced risks sort of pisses me off.
 
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