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Ukraine War, Day 1,587: Putin Acknowledges Gasoline Shortages Across Russia​

UPDATE 0714 GMT:​

Air defenses downed 82 of 108 drones launched by Russia overnight, but 25 hit 11 locations.

ORIGINAL ENTRY: Vladimir Putin has acknowledged gasoline shortages and queues for petrol across Russia, amid Ukrainian strikes on refineries and other facilities.​

“Unfortunately, there are still lines at gas stations, and the right grade of gasoline isn’t always available. And, of course, we understand the challenges faced by agricultural producers and farms during the summer,” Putin said at a meeting with leaders of the Russian energy industry.

Ukraine’s strikes in June have knocked out the Moscow Oil Refinery, which supplies 40% of the gasoline near and in the Russian capital, for six months. They have threatened to cut off Russian-occupied Crimea, with all fuel sales banned except for the military and essential services.

Putin said Russia is drawing on its fuel reserves, with the amount dropping by about 4% compared to 2025.

“Furthermore, in the interests of domestic consumers, a complete ban on the export of gasoline and jet fuel has been temporarily imposed. The need for a complete ban on diesel fuel exports is also being considered,” he explained.

In an interview after the meeting, Putin said, “We are now observing a certain deficit, but not critical….There are several issues here that we must address.”

Implicitly referring to the Ukrainian strikes, he said Russia must increase production of “the most demanded munitions” and improve them: “The issue is the speed of their production and delivery to the troops or to cover objects of critical infrastructure.”

He said Ukrainian strikes on infrastructure were also part of an “information operation” to “create uncertainty in us, or even better, to cause a split in Russian society” and force a halt to the troop offensive “at least for a short time”.

He insisted, “We will not give them such a chance. Moreover, and this is important, all these terrorist attacks have no effect on the situation at the front.”
 
OK, NATO role in Turkey is zero, you're right. But, then what is its role? That's ultimately my point.

B. "Foreign combatants" have zero protections under the international laws of war since they themselves do not follow them. Said laws are pretty explicit on who and who isn't covered, funnily enough.

I don't want to write a wall of text, but I'll address these two directly. The reason "Foreign Combatants" is controversial is because the legal precedent is...unprecedented. If they have provable war crimes, there have always been military tribunals. Are they stateless? There are special passports issued by the UN to address that. Are they citizens? Deport them there. The point is that holding people like this is immoral and cruel, despite the fact they may have commited war crimes. No-one but the US does this at least not openly.

C. Yeah, Iraq was a mistake, but hey, Russia's in Ukraine right now on claims that are about as bad, and the chances of a mea culpa from anyone are about zero.

Denazification and demilitarization. Are you telling me there are no Nazis in ukraine in both military and government and that there isn't a ton of military equipment there bombarding Russia right now? What's you point?

And yes your elections are rigged. There are people on camera saying they do it because they don't care how their team wins.
My understanding for why russia invaded Ukraine doesnt really match whats talked about here.
What is your understanding of the situation?
 
I dont understand this slap fight.

My understanding for why russia invaded Ukraine doesnt really match whats talked about here.

its been 3 years why cant russia win?
Russia was unprepared for prolonged conflict and has been economically under siege. Ukraine has indirect support from powerful nations and is ushered on by the general West, particularly the US and UK up until this year. So long as Ukraine has bodies to send to the front, someone else will offer gear and intel. Ukraine has been given at least twice Russia's annual defense budget in stated support, though it's muddy how much has actually been usable by Ukraine.
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
That and Nazi's needed to be removed well thats what putin said.
Putin boils it down plain as day right here. You see, in the paleolithic era...
No fucking wonder Sweden and Finland rushed to NATO
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This is from before the war started.

Well, basically he was right. Look at the price of gas. The US and its partners want to charge double, no triple and they are doing it. War with Iran is part of the same deal.

Putin boils it down plain as day right here. You see, in the paleolithic era...

Look everyone laughed, but they miss the point. Ukrainian nationalism is a blip on more than a 1000 years of common history.

A few years back, there was an interview with Peskov on Sky News. He spoke in somewhat accented and slightly laboured English, but it was clear enough. Instead of asking him, "So where does this end?" the interviewer was playing silly buggers with gotcha questions to the tune of "So...that war of yours isn't going so well."

No-one wants to listen to the Russians, they literally think the Russians are vodka-niggers.

Suit yourself, folks.
 
OK, NATO role in Turkey is zero, you're right. But, then what is its role? That's ultimately my point.
Ever hear of the Bosporus? Turkey is in NATO to keep Russia from controlling it, directly or indirectly, and therefore trapped in the Black Sea. And Turkey being in NATO means Russia can only exert limited pressure on them to try and control it. Win-win.
Are you telling me there are no Nazis in ukraine in both military and government
Those "Nazis" are currently taking orders from a man who is part Jewish and part Russian, one of the most un-Nazi things imaginable. But let's not talk about how many Russians have gotten caught with totenkopf tats, including that one guy Putin gave a fancy medal to.

Regarding the military equipment... man, sure is strange how well-equipped those "volunteers" who crossed the border from Russia into the Donbass were. Can't imagine why Ukraine would undergo a military buildup in response. And if Putin thinks that's a problem, well... maybe not have a bunch of guys from the Army tear their patches off before they cross over an internationally recognized border.
The reason "Foreign Combatants" is controversial is because the legal precedent is...unprecedented.
Yeah, international terrorism with the backing of various rogue nation-states that refuse to play ball wasn't really a thing when the laws were initially codified, nor did the authors anticipate that people would care about the human rights of giant roving bands of paramilitaries running around committing war crimes. I guess they figured all those parties mentioned above would just get shot by the various civilized peoples of the world and no fucks would be given afterwards, like during the Boxer Rebellion or when the Serbs wound up finding out after fucking around at Sarajevo with the Black Hand.
 
Ever hear of the Bosporus? Turkey is in NATO to keep Russia from controlling it, directly or indirectly, and therefore trapped in the Black Sea.
I don't recall control of the straits was ever Russian policy. Maybe in a fever dream somewhere in the 19th century. On the contrary, the British landed there in 1915 (and got their ass handed to them).

As for keeping Russia trapped - that's something they object to. Economic isolation and sanctions have never worked. The elites can get their latest iphones just fine. It's the common people that suffer.
 
The meme is funny, that's all. I don't expect @northstar747 to sit through a 2 hour interview for the deets, we have 2 beautiful threads where people will be happy to cut to the chase.

Eh I tried to watch, I rememebr when tucker went there, and I ve tried to read those other threads but people just live in very polarized realities about it.

I remember when the tanks rolled in, got stuck, farmers were stealing tanks with tractors, and even that peter zaihen dude was saying it was russias war to win.

I also made a habbit of listening to that perun dudes lectures about war.

makes me think about that "home for christmas" shit regarding WWI
 
I don't recall control of the straits was ever Russian policy.
Okay, that settles it. You either live under a rock or are willfully ignorant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Straits#Straits_Question
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Hünkâr_İskelesi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreux_Convention_Regarding_the_Regime_of_the_Straits#Soviet_Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Straits_crisis

The Russians have been incredibly paranoid about the straits for almost two centuries since it cuts off their only warm water port from the rest of the world, and effectively prevents them from exercising maritime power projection. Its not just the Finns and Swedes the Russians bullied into signing up with NATO.
 
makes me think about that "home for christmas" shit regarding WWI
Yeah... I think it's clear Russia wanted to decapitate Ukraine, force concessions, and take the eastern regions in a surprise move. For some reason a lot of people think Russia's grand plan was to take the whole of Ukraine in 3 days or something.

Russia has been meddling in eastern Ukraine for years beforehand but it's also where most ethnic Russians in Ukraine live and Ukraine wasn't fond of them. A lot of people forget or never knew that Ukraine was forcefully "de-Russifying" itself, forbidding Russian to be used and treating the more Russian areas as lesser. So when Russia offered support to those very people, many were happy to take it. Similar situation in Crimea and why Putin's bridge connecting them was contentious.

Then there are the claims that the US has been using Ukraine for a lot of meddling of its own, eg biolabs, and pushing for favorable political and business leaders to nudge Ukraine further and further into NATO's fold and away from Russia. Obviously not in Russia's interest. The US was training and basically rebuilding Ukraine's military since 2014 up until the invasion. Recall Biden had bragged that under Obama he threatened to withhold a billion in aid if the prosecutor investigating Burisma wasn't fired at his request. Burisma is the Ukrainian company Hunter Biden was on the board of directors for. The US government has been heavily involved in Ukraine since 2014.
For Russia it's easy to say Ukraine is persecuting ethnic Russians and for Ukraine it's easy to say Russia has been slowly encroaching with the intent to pry territory away. That's a messy situation with a lot of nuance and propaganda on both sides.

I think Russia, and Putin in particular, see US influence at their doorstep as an existential threat. And they're right that the US has been propping up Ukraine to align with the West specifically to pull it away from Russia. Ukraine is in an awkward spot where its leadership seems to do whatever gets them the most money and isn't sincerely intent on fixing Ukraine's problems with normal Ukrainians getting screwed either way. Ukraine has been losing people to emigration since at least 2014, which is a key year in all of this.

There's a disorganized overview of some of the major points off the top of my head but there's a lot more context necessary and so much is rife for conspiracy.

I think it's always important as well to take care not to confuse "Russia" the state with "Russians" the people.
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
The Russians have been incredibly paranoid about the straits for almost two centuries since it cuts off their only warm water port from the rest of the world, and effectively prevents them from exercising maritime power projection. Its not just the Finns and Swedes the Russians bullied into signing up with NATO.
The Soviets were proposing joint control of the straits via establishing bases there. This was not a territorial claim. The issue was always access, not full control. Your assessment of their intent is in bad faith. For Turkey's part, they wanted sole control. Totally understandable and they outmaneuvered the USSR by joining NATO.

There was a territorial claim, but it had to do with old Armenian territory Turkey was holding after WWI. Separate and, in my opinion not illegitimate issue. But as you have pointed out NATO membership would not help there had it come to blows.

Do you think it is of benefit to cut Russia off from access to the Mediterranean?

And also, it's not bullying. Bullying is when you lock the newbie in the server room for lunch. It's serious business political maneuvering. Same as with Finland, except I don't see a point of them joining NATO at all. Now they are more exposed to conflict with Russia rather than less, because Russia sees them as a potential threat by proxy.
 
I'm saying that the Russians may as well be fighting the war with flying reindeer.
Russian lawmakers yesterday, in Duma, threatened my country with a nuclear attack. I do take that as somewhat of a threat, albeit not a serious one.
lol these are actual talking points in the EU.
The Soviets were proposing joint control of the straits via establishing bases there. This was not a territorial claim. The issue was always access, not full control. Your assessment of their intent is in bad faith. For Turkey's part, they wanted sole control. Totally understandable and they outmaneuvered the USSR by joining NATO.

There was a territorial claim, but it had to do with old Armenian territory Turkey was holding after WWI. Separate and, in my opinion not illegitimate issue. But as you have pointed out NATO membership would not help there had it come to blows.

Do you think it is of benefit to cut Russia off from access to the Mediterranean?

And also, it's not bullying. Bullying is when you lock the newbie in the server room for lunch. It's serious business political maneuvering. Same as with Finland, except I don't see a point of them joining NATO at all. Now they are more exposed to conflict with Russia rather than less, because Russia sees them as a potential threat by proxy.
Are you actually arguing with someone whose country allied with Nazi Germany and built concentration camps for Soviet civilians, killing a large number of them and another who who supports current day Nazis killing citizens they consider subhuman (Russian)? They aren't going to own it, its a waste of time to lower yourself.

I imagine this will change the moment EU nations decide to send soldiers to prop up the Ukraine Reich since Russia has destroyed most of their army but I'm sure they'll have perfectly valid reasons for not joining the defenders of Europa.
 
Uhh that can't be right, the military geniuses and political strategists here told me Ukraine was gonna fold a few weeks into the war and any support we send to them is a waste and we should instead be encouraging them to surrender faster to far-right fascists!
 
Are you actually arguing with someone whose country allied with Nazi Germany and built concentration camps for Soviet civilians, killing a large number of them and another who who supports current day Nazis killing citizens they consider subhuman (Russian)? They aren't going to own it, its a waste of time to lower yourself.

Look, my original post on this thread was about a particular handful of posters that always turn up on Russia-related threads and always say the same dumb shit. Those folks glow.

The rest is a shit-show, but I appreciate the opportunity to spar. It makes me better at factual trolling. This is when you tell people facts and they get ass-mad.
 
It's worse, really. Every time hohols murder civilians, Russians say they'll "strike a blow of revenge". Sometimes it happens. Do you know what's being struck "in revenge"? Fucking military installations! Russian news from June 21, 20fucking26: "the Russian army started attacking AFU logistics". STARTED mah dude! Day 1578 of the SMO! We beat Hitler in 1418 days!
This is willful ignorance, even for a Russian.

Russia has been constantly sending drones and missiles far into Ukraine since the invasion, and they regularly hit civilian targets.
 
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